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ATannahill 09-01-2016 14:53

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Redo91 (Post 1518862)
Check out 5.5.10 in the Game Manual, it has information regarding DEFENSES.

I have read this section, along with section 2.2.2.1. I am fairly confident in my first statement, but not the second. I looked through the figures in the manual and none have the defenses repeated.

ATannahill 09-01-2016 14:55

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by The Devinator (Post 1518879)
Can a defense be broken in autonomous mode? ::ouch::

You should check page 31. A defense can be damaged (please use the correct term so that searches will pull this post up as a result in the future) if two different robots cross it in autonomous.

Redo91 09-01-2016 14:56

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by The Devinator (Post 1518879)
Can a defense be broken in autonomous mode? ::ouch::

Section 3.1.3 of the Game Manual has the information you seek.

Alex Webber 09-01-2016 15:02

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
We had a quick question regarding the towers,

If the tower has been weakened to 0, if a robot shoots an additional Boulder at the tower, and it goes into a goal, does the alliance still gain points?

If the tower has been weakened, will the points from the balls still continue?

Thanks, and looking forward to this amazing game :)

MikLast 09-01-2016 15:05

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
on the diagram on page 3, section 1.2 (same image is also on Page 8, section 2) , it shows the audience selected items one to the right of the center. On page 100 however (5.5.10.1) it says that it belongs in the center outer works spot. Am i correct in saying that the pictures in question are in error?

ATannahill 09-01-2016 15:09

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by MikLast (Post 1518899)
on the diagram on page 3, section 1.2 (same image is also on Page 8, section 2) , it shows the audience selected items one to the right of the center. On page 100 however (5.5.10.1) it says that it belongs in the center outer works spot. Am i correct in saying that the pictures in question are in error?

What diagram are you talking about? Can you give a figure number?

The audience selected item goes in slot 3, which is the center defense. Because of the secret passage, the center defense is not in the center of the field.

MikLast 09-01-2016 15:12

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1518905)
What diagram are you talking about? Can you give a figure number?

The audience selected item goes in slot 3, which is the center defense. Because of the secret passage, the center defense is not in the center of the field.

Figure 2-1. By center i mean the center of the 5 outer works, or spot 3. In Figure 2.1 it shows the audience selected one in Position 4/2.

Redo91 09-01-2016 15:14

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Webber (Post 1518893)
We had a quick question regarding the towers,

If the tower has been weakened to 0, if a robot shoots an additional Boulder at the tower, and it goes into a goal, does the alliance still gain points?

If the tower has been weakened, will the points from the balls still continue?

Thanks, and looking forward to this amazing game :)

Double check section 3.1.4 and section 3.3.1 of the Game Manual.

Team5730-Pros 09-01-2016 15:15

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1518815)
You can get points for crossing each defense twice because the defense is not damaged until the defense's strength is zero. You can only get points for crossing or weaken a defense once in auto.

Can you damage your own defense by using it to cross into the neutral zone instead of the secret passage, and if so can you find a rule that states this?

ATannahill 09-01-2016 15:17

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by MikLast (Post 1518906)
Figure 2.1. By center i mean the center of the 5 outer works, or spot 3. In Figure 2.1 it shows the audience selected one in Position 4/2.

FYI, the figure titles are hyphenated, I couldn't find it by using the find function and 2.1.

How do you know which ones are audience selected? The text does not tell you.

If I understand the audience selection process correctly than the same defense should be used on both sides, there is no defense repeated expect for the low bar.

Redo91 09-01-2016 15:17

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by MikLast (Post 1518906)
Figure 2.1. By center i mean the center of the 5 outer works, or spot 3. In Figure 2.1 it shows the audience selected one in Position 4/2.

Figure 2-1 looks to just be a CAD rendering of the field with all the different DEFENSES installed.

ATannahill 09-01-2016 15:19

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Team5730-Pros (Post 1518910)
Can you damage your own defense by using it to cross into the neutral zone instead of the secret passage, and if so can you find a rule that states this?

You cannot damage (successful crossing twice) a defense by moving from a courtyard into the neutral zone because the definition of crossing (pg. 31) requires you move the opposite direction.

MikLast 09-01-2016 15:20

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1518911)
FYI, the figure titles are hyphenated, I couldn't find it by using the find function and 2.1.

How do you know which ones are audience selected? The text does not tell you.

If I understand the audience selection process correctly than the same defense should be used on both sides, there is no defense repeated expect for the low bar.

The post will be edited to make sure people can find it.

Page 100, 5.5.10.1 says that the audience selects Outer Works pos 3, and in figure 2-4, it shows pos 3 as in the center (of the 5 outer works spots) and in fugure 2-1 the audience selected is in pos 2 and 4, which is incorrect.

Harharhoman 09-01-2016 15:20

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MikLast (Post 1518899)
on the diagram on page 3, section 1.2 (same image is also on Page 8, section 2) , it shows the audience selected items one to the right of the center. On page 100 however (5.5.10.1) it says that it belongs in the center outer works spot. Am i correct in saying that the pictures in question are in error?

For what I have found, the picture is wrong since the field tour video also said that it was the middle/center defense was chosen by the audience.

My question is how do they choose, is it a poll or measured in decibels?

Team5730-Pros 09-01-2016 15:22

Re: FIRST STRONGHOLD Discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1518916)
You cannot damage (successful crossing twice) a defense by moving from a courtyard into the neutral zone because the definition of crossing (pg. 31) requires you move the opposite direction.

can you damage your own defense if you go from the neutral zone into your own courtyard?


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