Re: Flying?
 

So long as the top of your bumpers are not more than 12" from the floor..... Rules out the advantage of flying.

Re: Flying?
 

The amount of thrust needed to lift the the control system+battery, would be greater than the current the battery can provide, even without the fuses and main breaker being a problem. Lifting even the minimum components would require at least 10kw+. Which is more than the battery can output. This would be possible with brushless outrunner motors and Lipo batteries( RC plane equipment), but not possible with allowed parts.

Re: Flying?
 

I've always thought it would be a fun off-season project to do a fixed wing FRC legal airplane. Based on the thrust folks got out of propellers in 2009 you could definitely make it work, but the takeoff performance to circle within an FRC regulation field would certainly be... challenging to say the least.

It reminds me of an exceptional Dave Lavery quote.

Re: Flying?
 

G17 states that measurements are made with robot resting on the floor. Does not disallow flying or leaping.

G44 states that you cannot use the SHIELDS to cross a DEFENSE.

Leaping or flying over the DEFENSE in the space between the SHIELDS, does not violate either of these rules.I would love to see it done and suspect that flying is an almost impossible engineering challenge, but leaping...

R22 is similar to previous years and we have had all sorts of climbing and scaling operations that take the bumpers away form the floor. I would think that R22 is enforced like G17, with measurements made in a static configuration resting on the floor.

Re: Flying?
 

A fixed wing could probably work but, would require a big flight surface. Perhaps the control system with router, would not have sufficient range to comfortably fly the aircraft without risk of loss of communication.

Re: Flying?
 

Maybe G1?

Re: Flying?
 

R22 BUMPERS must be located entirely within the BUMPER ZONE, which is the volume contained
between two virtual horizontal planes, 4 in. above the floor and 12 in. above the floor, in reference to the ROBOT standing normally on a flat floor. BUMPERS do not have to be parallel to the floor.

Leaping is still a-go.

Re: Flying?
 

That doesn't necessarily mean the robot can't go over it, they just have to go between them. At least that's what we are rolling with.

Re: Flying?
 

Not totally on point but related - What about a tethered flying minibot to place a hook on the tower rungs?

Re: Flying?
 

Crossing: "Traverses the DEFENSE such that its BUMPERS go fully between the adjacent SHIELDS/GUARDRAIL"

So unless the drone IS the entire robot perimeter with bumpers (16 x 16 worth minimum)
So a drone without all the bumpers would not do anything as no damage or crossing would occur.

If that same drone can score boulders already in opponent courtyard then perhaps its viable (without bumpers)

That could be this years modular:

A main bot with BUMPERS and ability to deliver balls cross defenses and can handle most maybe even the low bar with ball.

A drone that separately fly's over field scoring opponent boulders somehow and can grab other boulders and deliver them to main bot to cross then when on opponent courtyard reacquires the boulders and scores the only defense they cannot cross over is low bar.

At the end it would have to either land on the main body or contact it somehow.

If a team pulls this off cool.

Re: Flying?
 

If I remember right, your bumper has to be 1 inch off the ground. If you can make a flying robot with 38" propellers and a 13lb battery which hovers one inch off the ground with full sized bumpers, (that is clearly designed to play the game) I don't think FIRST will stop you.

Re: Flying?
 

Read farther up; bumpers don't stop you.

Re: Flying?
 

1" off the ground is not the definition of the BUMPER ZONE this year - check the rulebook for the exact details (R22, also quoted by AndyBare a few posts above).

Re: Flying?
 

So I guess that if the robot's starting position has bumpers in the mandated volume then it should be fine....

Re: Flying?
 

Well I will certainly watching your regional