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cmwilson13 10-01-2016 17:17
Re: G43 loophole
 
I very much hope so.

martin417 11-01-2016 05:33
Re: G43 loophole
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1520322)
Note: If you have an extension that is holding the door open, and that extension is in the Outerworks, then the robot is in the outerworks.

Note2: The door does extend into the neutral zone, so there could be a time when the robot is full outside of Outerworks, yet still in contact with the defense.

Maybe a Q&A requesting a clarification that robot is "in the outerworks" or "in contact with the defense".
Read the definition again, carefully. The definition explicitly says a robot is traversing if "any part of its BUMPERS are within the opponent’s OUTER WORKS."

An extension is not a bumper.

AndyBare 11-01-2016 07:05
Re: G43 loophole
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin417 (Post 1520883)
Read the definition again, carefully. The definition explicitly says a robot is traversing if "any part of its BUMPERS are within the opponent’s OUTER WORKS."

An extension is not a bumper.
Name the robot "Its bumpers." I've solved it!

GeeTwo 11-01-2016 12:31
Re: G43 loophole
 
My understanding: Once the robot bumpers enter the outer works, the traversal attempt has begun. As you pull the door down and back out of the outer works, because the traversal is defined such that you start not in contact with the defense, the traversal attempt continues.

Still need a GDC confirmation.

DKolberg 11-01-2016 14:58
Re: G43 loophole
 
I would think that when you pull down the drawbridge, the part you run over is still part of the outerworks and therefore you can not hit someone.

rich2202 11-01-2016 15:21
Re: G43 loophole
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DKolberg (Post 1521253)
I would think that when you pull down the drawbridge, the part you run over is still part of the outerworks and therefore you can not hit someone.
Nope. The part of the drawbridge does not extend Outer Works into the Neutral Zone.

GaryVoshol 11-01-2016 19:25
Re: G43 loophole
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1521104)
My understanding: Once the robot bumpers enter the outer works, the traversal attempt has begun. As you pull the door down and back out of the outer works, because the traversal is defined such that you start not in contact with the defense, the traversal attempt continues.

Still need a GDC confirmation.
A good reasonable interpretation - can you confirm with Q&A when it opens? Because reasonable or not, until the GDC says you're right, you're not right.

(I'm just a lowly head ref not on a team so I don't have Q&A asking rights.)


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