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ajsmith 10-01-2016 19:02

Periodic Table of the Defenses
 
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While my team members are working on strategies and robot designs, I am still struggling to remember what the "Cheval de Frise" is. To continue after the Periodic Table of the Stacks from RR, here is the Periodic Table of the Defenses! Let me know if something needs changing, or if I cannot spell.

Alicia V 10-01-2016 21:23

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This is amazing for scouting! Thanks

Chak 11-01-2016 00:23

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Originally Posted by ajsmith (Post 1520483)
I am still struggling to remember what the "Cheval de Frise"

To make the pronunciation easier on me, I call it "the French thing". I have to explain which one I'm talking about, but I'd have to do that anyways if I tried to properly pronounce it.:p

lethc 11-01-2016 00:26

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Originally Posted by Chak (Post 1520790)
To make the pronunciation easier on me, I call it "the French thing". I have to explain which one I'm talking about, but I'd have to do that anyways if I tried to properly pronounce it.:p

I endearingly refer to it as the 'teeter totters'.

dcarr 11-01-2016 00:28

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Originally Posted by lethc (Post 1520793)
I endearingly refer to it as the 'teeter totters'.

While most people will likely understand, using official terminology (as obtuse as it may be) is always preferred. When you are communicating with other teams, such as your alliance partners when determining match strategy, there should be no ambiguity. You may as well get in the habit of using the official names now.

Purpose 11-01-2016 00:29

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To make the pronunciation easier on me, I call it "the French thing". I have to explain which one I'm talking about, but I'd have to do that anyways if I tried to properly pronounce it.:p

Personally, I'm all for calling it "Shovel the Fries"

inorbert 11-01-2016 01:51

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Call it Horse Strawberries, it translates directly to strawberry of horses; that grim humor makes it quite easy to remember

MaGiC_PiKaChU 11-01-2016 01:57

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Originally Posted by inorbert (Post 1520844)
Call it Horse Strawberries, it translates directly to strawberry of horses; that grim humor makes it quite easy to remember

frise actually translate to "curl" when speaking of hair, or the edge near the ceiling when speaking walls.
In this case Frise is the name of a european region witch probably invented that thing :yikes:

source: first language is French

vsc1901 11-01-2016 03:57

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Originally Posted by ajsmith (Post 1520483)
While my team members are working on strategies and robot designs, I am still struggling to remember what the "Cheval de Frise" is. To continue after the Periodic Table of the Stacks from RR, here is the Periodic Table of the Defenses! Let me know if something needs changing, or if I cannot spell.

SHOVEL THE FRIES

inorbert 11-01-2016 03:59

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Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1520847)
frise actually translate to "curl" when speaking of hair, or the edge near the ceiling when speaking walls.
In this case Frise is the name of a european region witch probably invented that thing :yikes:

source: first language is French

Really... Intresting

cglrcng 11-01-2016 04:51

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Originally Posted by Alicia V (Post 1520619)
This is amazing for scouting! Thanks

And for those of us that long ago agreed to volunteer to work the field at numerous events before actually seeing what we volunteered for (read...Got ourselves into)...We all thank you since we are attempting to memorize a brand new language (and the game associated field pieces), as quickly as possible. I'm printing out your cheat sheet diagram right now.

Now, since the Audience picks for the Spot #3 requires that both sides get exact duplicates (and the Low Bar in Spot #1 are always on the field in spot#1...The total of Defenses pcs. required for each field are 18 total pcs. and there are only 10 on the field at any one time, which leaves 8 pcs. to be stored off field all the time (extras are usually stored out of camera range so the field/arena area appears uncluttered, and for associated safety of participants and crew moving about constantly).

Can you tell us how many pounds daily will be lifted and moved, and exactly how far the reset/Defense Co-Coordinator crew will have to lug those from field to storage and storage to field every match all day please? Inquiring minds with bodies getting older daily just wish to know. LOL. (At least RR last year conditioned our bodies for Stronghold by movement of hundreds of game pcs. onto/off the field repeatedly, and thousands/thousands of lbs. lifted over each event, after event, after event). Deja Vu anyone?

But, the view of the field in action up close is amazing! So, the labor is gladly volunteered and the food is usually very good, the company of others to die for.:D

cglrcng 11-01-2016 05:24

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Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1520847)
frise actually translate to "curl" when speaking of hair, or the edge near the ceiling when speaking walls.
In this case Frise is the name of a european region witch probably invented that thing :yikes:

source: first language is French

It would definitely curl a riders hair (even if & especially if, you the rider are wearing all that heavy fighting armor), when a horse starts stepping all over & on those nasty "teeter totter" like objects of defense & war and causing itself those huge very nasty strawberry looking bruises and open wounds to legs and belly and then starts freaking totally out, all the while you the knight are attempting to battle enemy and trusty steed both for your very life.

Oh, the art of war, she is very grim.

planetbrilliant 11-01-2016 09:38

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Originally Posted by Purpose (Post 1520799)
Personally, I'm all for calling it "Shovel the Fries"

My team has taken to affectionately referring to it as the 'Cheval de Fridge' or just the 'Fridge' because when presenting strategies a boy kept pronouncing it that way.

Spiffizzle 11-01-2016 09:58

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Originally Posted by cglrcng (Post 1520876)
And for those of us that long ago agreed to volunteer to work the field at numerous events before actually seeing what we volunteered for (read...Got ourselves into)...We all thank you since we are attempting to memorize a brand new language (and the game associated field pieces), as quickly as possible. I'm printing out your cheat sheet diagram right now.

Now, since the Audience picks for the Spot #3 requires that both sides get exact duplicates (and the Low Bar in Spot #1 are always on the field in spot#1...The total of Defenses pcs. required for each field are 18 total pcs. and there are only 10 on the field at any one time, which leaves 8 pcs. to be stored off field all the time (extras are usually stored out of camera range so the field/arena area appears uncluttered, and for associated safety of participants and crew moving about constantly).

Can you tell us how many pounds daily will be lifted and moved, and exactly how far the reset/Defense Co-Coordinator crew will have to lug those from field to storage and storage to field every match all day please? Inquiring minds with bodies getting older daily just wish to know. LOL. (At least RR last year conditioned our bodies for Stronghold by movement of hundreds of game pcs. onto/off the field repeatedly, and thousands/thousands of lbs. lifted over each event, after event, after event). Deja Vu anyone?

But, the view of the field in action up close is amazing! So, the labor is gladly volunteered and the food is usually very good, the company of others to die for.:D

I just wanted to second this. I am so excited to be working the field for various events for this game! :D

I think I am Defense Coordinator at least once, so I am already planning on putting this in a sleeve and writing on it with white board markers OR printing out and laminating the pieces and having them velcro into the positions.

These are the things teachers who volunteer think about. :rolleyes:

MrRoboSteve 11-01-2016 10:36

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Can you tell us how many pounds daily will be lifted and moved, and exactly how far the reset/Defense Co-Coordinator crew will have to lug those from field to storage and storage to field every match all day please?

The field CAD shows casters on the bottom of each of the defensive components. The casters look to be arranged in a pattern to prevent reversed placement.

caboosev11 11-01-2016 10:47

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Originally Posted by Chak (Post 1520790)
To make the pronunciation easier on me, I call it "the French thing". I have to explain which one I'm talking about, but I'd have to do that anyways if I tried to properly pronounce it.:p

My team does the same thing. We also say "French Quarter." We call the porticullsi the guillotine and the cheval the shovel.

Rebel888 11-01-2016 12:00

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the way i remember the defenses:
Port (portcullis)
Sally (sally's port)
Seesaw (Cheval de frias [i know i demolished the name])
Rock (rock wall)
Moat (you'll have no idea what this one is)
Drawbrige
Rough (rough terrain)
and Ramp (ramparts)
I hope this helps and you have a safe and amazing build season!!

Jimmy M. 19-01-2016 20:22

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I think this is hurting more than helping because they the students should put some effort to know the name of the defenses but this is just me

CalTran 19-01-2016 20:37

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Originally Posted by MrRoboSteve (Post 1521015)
The field CAD shows casters on the bottom of each of the defensive components. The casters look to be arranged in a pattern to prevent reversed placement.

The castors were also mentioned in the FIRST blog last week.

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Originally Posted by Kickoff and... Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Though this will be one of the most physically demanding field resets we’ve had, the defenses are actually all on casters and drop into the defense bases through a cleverly designed system our Mechanical Engineering team, led by Derek Foster, developed. - See more at: http://www.firstinspires.org/robotic....70zsw71u.dpuf

Emphasis mine.

Bob Steele 19-01-2016 23:22

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Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1520847)
frise actually translate to "curl" when speaking of hair, or the edge near the ceiling when speaking walls.
In this case Frise is the name of a european region witch probably invented that thing :yikes:

source: first language is French

French: Cheval de frise literally means "Frisian horse" The Frisians, having few cavalry, relied heavily on such anti-cavalry obstacles in warfare. (wikipedia)

Back when I did Revolutionary War re-enacting we saw these on battlefields.
If you ever go to Yorktown you will see reproductions of them Quite effective and until barbed wire came along they were used to repel cavalry. Of course the originals did not rotate like these. They were rigid and came to points. Below is a picture from the actual Petersburg battlefield (Civil War) (courtesy wikipedia)


my first language is
German my family came from Alsace-Lorraine... annexed by French after WWI.....

MaGiC_PiKaChU 19-01-2016 23:47

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Originally Posted by Bob Steele (Post 1527003)
French: Cheval de frise literally means "Frisian horse" The Frisians, having few cavalry, relied heavily on such anti-cavalry obstacles in warfare. (wikipedia)

Back when I did Revolutionary War re-enacting we saw these on battlefields.
If you ever go to Yorktown you will see reproductions of them Quite effective and until barbed wire came along they were used to repel cavalry. Of course the originals did not rotate like these. They were rigid and came to points. Below is a picture from the actual Petersburg battlefield (Civil War) (courtesy wikipedia)


my first language is
German my family came from Alsace-Lorraine... annexed by French after WWI.....

The more you know... Very interesting!

rfolea 20-01-2016 05:53

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Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1526899)
The castors were also mentioned in the FIRST blog last week.
Emphasis mine.

There is an excellent view of the casters in this video about field reset.

adciv 20-01-2016 08:40

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Originally Posted by Bob Steele (Post 1527003)
French: Cheval de frise literally means "Frisian horse" The Frisians, having few cavalry, relied heavily on such anti-cavalry obstacles in warfare. (wikipedia)

Back when I did Revolutionary War re-enacting we saw these on battlefields.
If you ever go to Yorktown you will see reproductions of them Quite effective and until barbed wire came along they were used to repel cavalry. Of course the originals did not rotate like these. They were rigid and came to points. Below is a picture from the actual Petersburg battlefield (Civil War) (courtesy wikipedia)


my first language is
German my family came from Alsace-Lorraine... annexed by French after WWI.....

Heh, I remember seeing these in photos/movies from D-Day. I think they're still in use today as part of anti-ship countermeasures near shore lines.

dubiousSwain 20-01-2016 09:39

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Originally Posted by adciv (Post 1527123)
Heh, I remember seeing these in photos/movies from D-Day. I think they're still in use today as part of anti-ship countermeasures near shore lines.

I think you're thinking of Czech Hedgehogs.

EDIT: Original image was huge

GMeyer 21-01-2016 15:21

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Hello!

Is it okay if I use the Periodic Table of the Defenses on my team's website? I will give full credit to ajsmith.

ajsmith 24-01-2016 15:46

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Originally Posted by GMeyer (Post 1527902)
Hello!

Is it okay if I use the Periodic Table of the Defenses on my team's website? I will give full credit to ajsmith.

That is perfectly fine. It is here for you to use!


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