The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Follow my logic and read below for more.

Assertion #1:

This year, perhaps more than any other year, there are going to be untested robot on the field. You know this is true. Making all the defenses is beyond all but a tiny fraction of the teams out there. I am not saying this to be mean or to be hatin' on FIRST. It's just a reality.

Assertion #2:

Given the above, you can easily predict that for many teams (most?) the first time they try to cross many defenses will be in a match.

Assertion #3:

From which it follows that we'll see a TON of stuck robots during the early weeks of the competition.

Assertion #4

There will be matches (especially during those early weeks but some times in later ones as well) where all three teams on an alliance are stuck on their opponent defenses.

When this happens, I propose we call this situation "The Triple Tortuga."


Now for the Triple Tortuga Contest.

First of all, I know it will fall on deaf ears, but here is some free advice: Do your best to avoid being part of the Triple Tortuga Club.

• Test your robot before you get out on the field in a match.
• Spend the time to build practice defenses, beg borrow or steal other team's defenses, go to Week Zero events, etc.
• Do whatever you have to to design & build a robot that can actually go over defenses without getting stuck
• and failing that, at least know what your robot/drivers are capable of (or incapable of) before you get out there in a real match.

Second, I will send a $10 gift card to Starbucks (or equiv.) to the first 5 CD users that post a reply to this post with links to a video showing a Triple Tortuga in official FIRST match.

Third, I will send a $50 gift card to the first person to post a link to a match with a Double Triple Tortuga. I hope it doesn't happen but if it does, I want to see it.

May your all opponent's towers be captured and their defenses breached! And, if ever your robot is the last not stuck on a defense, may your drivers think twice before risking another crossing...

Hold Strong,
Dr. Joe J.

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If a DOUBLE Triple Tortuga occurs, I think the regional/district should get free corn dogs.

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We'll need someone to come in with cheesecake too, just to make everything better.

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Dr. Joe -

Might I suggest you add verbiage that it must be the first five CD users with unique matches, so you don't end up with five cell phone videos of the same match? :)

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The situation requires comfort food. I suggest bowls of turtle soup on the house.

Dr. Joe J.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Also, I just noticed my dyslexia is showing in the title of this thread. I am just not wired right. Ah well...

Dr. Joe J.

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I dunno, makes it sound more archaic. Fits the theme.

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As usual, Amanda speaks wisely. Consider the contest so amended.

More explicitly:
One Triple Tortuga match yields (at most) one gift card. if a Double Triple Tortuga is in the first 5, you also only receive one gift card* (albeit for $50 rather than $10). Before you ask, yes, I will still give out 5 $10 cards.

Keep sharing the links. When I'm out of cards, you'll have to be content with the CD fame for your Triple Tortuga finds.

Dr. Joe J.

*let's share the wealth. what else would you expect from a FIRST related activity? ;-)

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I like the idea that one guy turtles and another guy goes to help and ALSO turtles, and then the final alliance members turtles all on the same object.

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HELLOOoooooo
YEP I know I was wired different than most!!!!::ouch:: could be the dyslexia thing ????:ahh: oh yeah!!!!! no soup for me this time but
thankx Dr. Joe.. Keep up the great FIRST thing miss the fun..
Lets play some great old New England DEFENCE
::rtm::

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Perhaps a box of chocolate turtles sent to the teams that do triple tortuga as a consolation prize.

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Week 1 Event - 6 vs 0

Both Alliances go out for $50 worth of coffee after the match.

-Clinton

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I love this idea.

But I'm afraid for my d(bank balance)/dt that first week of the season. Could get expensive.

Dr. Joe J

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I like the way you think.

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I just thought you were related to Yoda

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I think the Triple Tortuga is likely even with teams practicing on the home made (wood vs metal) field elements.

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I think equally important as the different materials are the different dimensions. Take a look at the team rough terrain drawings and the official ones to see what I mean. It's possible to build the official ones, but ripping 4x4 lumber does not particularly appeal to me.

EDIT: The 1.5" spacing on the official rough terrain will be interesting for teams not using treads or pneumatic wheels (do these teams exist?)

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He's not [quite] that old!

If it's any consolation Joe, I didn't see anything wrong with the title until you pointed it out. We just see what we expect to see.

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Am I not turtle-y enough for the turtle club?

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How would they all fit? :yikes: I want to see a (double) stacked, one-defense, triple tortuga. That'd be interesting.

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Old enough, he is NOT!
Wise enough, He IS. :p

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(By 'stuck on their opponent defenses' I am assuming that a Tortuga means they are stuck, as in jammed, in the Outer Works itself)

While a Triple Tortuga would be amusing I am thinking some Tortuga-ed robots could be pushed through their predicament. On that note I am looking to a situation where all three robots are stuck behind the Outer Works.

Examples:

Assuming robot(s) cannot breach any Outer Works not blocked by other stuck robots and are too tall (greater than 1 foot 4 inches) to get under the low bar

Two Tortuga and the third which hasn't the power nor the ability to assist can score no more points for their alliance

One Tortuga and two others which cannot breach

(Rare?) All three robots on the alliance are free but cannot breach any Outer Works obstacles

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Reminds me of this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bigg...XWSL5l5KcQM%3A

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There have been a few legal eagles asking for the definition of what it means to be "tortugaed*"

It is a little like art, in that we'll know it when we see it, but a good working definition is that a robot is tortugaed when it stuck or disabled while attempting to traverse or helping another robot traverse a defense. Stuck should be broadly interpreted.

Some examples:

if you flip over crossing the Chapel of Frost and you're technically not in the defense zone anymore but everyone knows that it was the defense that done you in. Of course, we're going to give you a tortuga for that.

If the Drawbridge thwaps your battery from its cradle and the field officials don't disable you until they see you dragging that 17AmpHours Anchor around the courtyard, again, you've been tortugaed my friend.

If your alliance partner gets stuck on the rock wall and you go over to try to give them a bump to save them only to have their flailing Sally Port arm reach into your robot and, horrors, turn off your main breaker, why, that's a tortuga for two right there!!!

If you are holding open the Sally Port and an alliance robot goes insane, pushes you against that very door after which their motors start smoking and they hit their e-stop and you spend the rest of the match unsuccessfully trying to get out from the pin they've put you in. Again, two tortugas will be awarded.

I hope this clears things up, even as it maddens the legalist in the FRC world.

Cheers,
Dr. Joe J.

*Yes, it's a verb now.

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Why wait for Week 1? There's a Starbucks in Myrtle Beach... ;)

Edited to add: 4901 wouldn't partake in this, of course--we're planning to handle our business.

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Yes, they do. ;)

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I for one look forward to drowning my robot sorrows with caffeine after we get stuck.

Good thing we signed up for the suffield shakedown. Should I eat the card for taking my phone out during a match I mean c'mon it's 10 bucks.

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Yes they do. The real question is how many teams exist who won't pay attention to how their wheels first make contact with a defense or under what circumstances their robot would bottom out. I guarantee there will be stuck robots with pneumatic wheels several times this year. Tank treads not so much but flipping over is still an option. If you use wheels, pneumatic or hard, the spacing matters. Pneumatic wheels does not equal automatic victory.

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One down, two to go.

Prototype Tortuga

I'm thinking a Venti Iced Skinny Hazelnut Macchiato, Sugar-Free Syrup, Extra Shot, Light Ice, No Whip.

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Ehh, put some bumpers on that thing and the extra weight will keep it stable. ;)

Maybe a battery restraint device too. (Were there 2 batteries?)

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There will be bumpers. But their added weight isn't much and profile increase are demerits in my opinion.

We restrained the battery, but had a velcro fail.

No, just one battery, but the PDP fell out too.

Just a prototype, don'tcha know. :)

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We exist, but we don't feel loved. :(

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Thank you so much for this video. I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Many thanks.

Dr. Joe J.

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Contrary to what Chief Delphi polls show, they will probably be the majority. The kit bot chassis comes with standard 6" wheels like other years, and I'm sure some teams that were interested in them gave up on the idea when the wheels and chassis modifications from AM sold out in the first week.

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I cannot wait to see all those bumpers and batteries laying on the field this year :yikes:

+1. We were driving our robot around and a decently robust battery holder that could probably survive an entire regional with most games pooped out the battery up. Granted there was no top strap but still.

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I'm gonna pop into here to add yet another bold prediction to Joe's contest.

Since the introduction of the Copioli/JVN kitbot transmissions in 2005 and the wonderful evolution of both the KoP drive system and COTs drive systems we've become accustomed to "robot moves" being taken for granted. This is really one of the first years where I see that being questionable for many teams. There's an abundance of teams doing custom drive systems for the first time. Couple this with the fact that crossing some of these barriers is going to be rough and you have a recipe for bad.

Driving isn't going to be assumed. Turning even less so.

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Yeah I cant wait to see the Dukes of Stronghold hit the defenses with those bouncy pneumatic tires and land wheels up. The season highlights should be hilarious completed with barrel rolls and near misses. Points if someone lands on a ball and flips over because of it.

Better test and test and test some more!

Makes me think of that video from 07 when 48 hits a tube and lands upside-down.

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I wonder how many teams planned on being able to flip themselves back on track(s) if(when) that happens

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You'll probably need that caffeine to get all those robots unstuck...

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I see what you're doing, pulling at my heart strings by referencing a TV show from my misspent youth.
I know what you're doing but it worked.

I hereby ask FIRST to make a rule that eemcees at Stronghold competitions must use that term whenever a robot that gets air crossing a defense.

If the robot crashes spectacularly we can have the eemcee make yet another TV reference from the 70s:



"A robot barely alive... ...We can rebuild it. We have the technology. We can make it better than it was. Better, stronger, faster" cue music...

Ah yes, decades ago but in my mind it was like it was yesterday...

Dr. Joe J.

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Maybe shorten it to Dukebots. And stuff like vaulting over other robots might become normal.

It has happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nnGGRi-94

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Not my video, but through a facebook share, I have a week 0 single tortuga:

https://www.facebook.com/MBR4272/vid...60004/?fref=nf

Cheval de fail? :D At least it wasn't an actual match...

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No video, but we had a couple of tortugas at the SCRRF Scrimmage. Ramparts got one, Moat got another one or two. Moat claimed the tipped robot, crossed and then landed on its back.

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This was the first one I saw. I honestly didn't expect the portcullis to make people flip like that.

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Here is a picture of a moat tortuga you mentioned:

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I know it's a little mean and I shouldn't smile and that this is FIRST and we don't do these kind of things. And, I'm sorry for the team involved, but I just can't look away. That tortuga just comes out of NOWHERE. Things are going so well it seems and then the Cosmic Turtle just reaches a finger out of its shell, touches that robot and, Boom Done! So fast, so stuck, so long.

And this was basically a good robot from a great team. What is going to happen when you get the general population of teams out there crossing defenses?

Oh Man. Those first few weeks of the season are going to be something to see.

Dr. Evil Joe J.

Double/ almost triple Tortuga
 

This is screenshot of a match at Palmetto where there was a double Tortuga and 1 robot which was not functional.on the field.

Re: Double/ almost triple Tortuga
 

Good effort but I'm not going to allow it.

It's not the Double Tortuga plus an e-stop Contest, no no. Triple Tortuga or nothing.

Go Team Turtle!

Dr. Joe J.

P.S. also, to be a winner you have to send a link to a video (youtube, vimeo, twitch, something that the world can see the lead up to the Triple T so that we can judge these things aright). Screen caps are nice but not sufficient for winning a gift card... ...my house my rules...

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Not a triple tortuga, but I wish I got a screen cap of 1102's tortuga on the Portcullis @ Palmetto in Quals 27. It was definitely...different.

Re: Double/ almost triple Tortuga
 

As you wish...

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First triple tortuga on qual 58!!

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That was nuts. I still don't know how it happened.

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Match 58, Palmetto


This is a Triple Tortuga because the defense caused three robots to not move for a large portion of the match.

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match 58!

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There is your triple tortuga...

http://i.imgur.com/0Q8kMtZ.png

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Does this count?Attachment 20204

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Match 58 at Palmetto regional. Pretty sure the door had 6222 stuck as well.

http://imgur.com/Mi4jGwj

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Beat me to it! Amazingly, they were all stuck on the same defense, drawbridge. Is that some kind of super triple tortuga?!

Two of the teams were making a pyramid. They couldn't do that again if they tried!

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It came out of nowhere!

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"Oh no... oh no... TORTUGA OUT OF NO WHERE!"

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So if this is official, Who would have guessed a triple T would happen on the SAME defense?!:D

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First video
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/83783588
EDIT: Triple Tortuga sequence starts at timestamp 4:03:47

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Beware the Tortuga, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jawbridge, and shun
The frumious Portacul!

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

You can see 6222 rocking a bit, showing they are actually stuck on the drawbridge.

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It looks to me like the alliance robots pinned each other in the close vicinity of a defense, but this is Dr. Joe's game.

Edit: what was 6222 stuck on? They were close to the drawbridge, but didn't seem like they should have been stuck to it.

Edit2: Also, to teams planning a multi-boulder autonomous, you should note that the boulder's aren't really squared up on the center line. It appears that those keeper rings drift during the tournament.

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When I first saw them rocking, I thought 'No way they are going to stay stuck for 101 sec, no Triple Tortuga. They are probably just driving the wrong way, they will figure it out' :ahh: Also, at the 4:05:05 the game announcer points out that 5898 and 6222 are rookies and added "Good job, you guys. Y'all are doing great!" :o 60 secs into the Dubious Honor of First Triple Tortuga is probably not the best time to hear that. The announcer had other gems like "still in Tent Formation".

Another funny thing about this right before this match, the Audience selected "Drawbridge" as the defense for matches 61-70. Good choice, how about that for audience participation. I feel like after this match Drawbridge would win in a landslide. The only people for Sally Port would be the red alliance. :D I wonder if they will stay away from the audience Drawbridge in their next match.

I hope the red alliance owns this and laughs it off, rather then letting it eat at them. This really was quite the perfect storm. First, it is good strategy if your goal is 5 damaged defenses, go for the double door cross early when all bots are in the right spot and communicating. The train was setup well enough but unfortunately 4748 climbed 6222 and ended up sideways between the shields. 4823 decides to help them out by successfully pushing them through the Drawbridge. Unfortunately, they end up in the aforementioned Tent Formation. 6222 correctly decides to go through the Low Bar to dislodge a tent pole (something they were capable of doing and would have been a highlight play). Unfortunately, they caught the edge of the Drawbridge on their way to the Low Bar and stayed there. Seemed like good decision-making hampered by execution errors that snowballed. It may have all started when 4748 let the bridge pop up to fend off possible defense from 1398 (but was probably just trying to hold the other Drawbridge open). It is legal to defend this double cross maneuver since most of it takes place outside the Outer Works (a rare case where a single defender can easily stop all 3 opponents from scoring without incurring fouls). Crazy game, this Stronghold.

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Rather than being surprised about the circumstances surrounding this TT, I'm more surprised that it hadn't happened earlier in the day, seeing as that it's a Week 0.5 event.

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The Lucas is our first winner of the Triple Tortuga Contest!

PM me your contact info and we'll work on getting you your Starbucks gift card.

Teams #4748, #4823 & #6222 I am sorry to say but you're the first members of #TripleTortuga Club. You won't be the last. I am sure of that much.

There are 4 more $10 gift cards left to award and the Big Kahuna, $50 gift card for the Double Triple Tortuga.

Remember, my house, my rules. It is the first CD user that posts a reply to this thread with a LINK to a video that shows the Triple T happening. Again, a picture is nice but we need context to judge these things. A link to publicly available video is the way we are going to do that.

May all your turtugas be Triple Tortugas!

Cheers,
Dr. Joe J.

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UPDATE on our first winner:

A gift card has been sent to The Lucas. Dr. Joe pays his debts promptly and I'll not have it said otherwise ;-)

The Lucas asked for an Amazon card rather than a Starbucks card which I allowed so I am offering this option to all other contestants as well.

Finally, some have expressed concern that someone may try to win by editing a response after the fact (for example posting a picture or a comment first then adding a link when the USTREAM gets posted).

Come on people. You know better than that. That ain't gonna cut no ice with the good doctor. That said, let's make a rule to avoid the situation.

So... to be eligible you have to have the following elements:
You must be first to reply to this message thread with an UNEDITED POST that contains a link to a publicly available video that shows enough of the lead up to a Triple Tortuga to judge that it IS in fact a Triple Tortuga. Also note there is nothing preventing you from uploading your own video and linking to that. You don't have to wait until the official stream becomes available. The competition never sleeps. You can't rest if you want to win the prize...

May all your tortugas be Triple Tortugas.

Dr. Joe J.

P.S. Did all ya'll see that Dukes of Stronghold move that one of the robots on the blue team did just prior to the Triple Tortuga? If that kind of behavior keeps up, there are going to be a lot more tortugas for us all to view and enjoy.

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According to this post on /r/FRC, 6222's battery became dislodged, and was stuck underneath their robot. Looking at FRANKlybored's picture, this certainly looks possible.
The poster, who claimed to be the referee standing over the robots as it happened, did not say anything about knowing how the battery became dislodged, so I'm not sure how this will affect the ruling of a Triple Tortuga.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Re-watching the match, 6222 did indeed get e-stopped if you look at their driver station's status light, although it wasn't obvious until the end of the match. A bit before a look at the stack light shows a Red indicator, which would indicate some issue on the red side. The Field monitor wasn't in focus so I couldn't see anything there.

Even so, if the loose battery was caused by the drawbridge (which is plausible), given Dr. Joe's prior ruling, is a tortuga. He specifically mentioned that tossing a battery due to a defense and getting E-stopped (either by the team or by the scorekeeper via FMS) as a result does count. All that matters is that a defense was responsible to a degree.

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Exactly correct. I hear the appeal and I sustain the Triple Tortuga Ruling.

Dr. Joe J.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

I believe the blue alliance in qualification 24 of Northern Lights just achieved Triple Tortuga!

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post video, get starbucks!

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I know it seems mean, but I can't wait. Someone please post a link. In the mean time, any details you can tell? The first one came out of the blue, how did this one unfold?

Do tell...

Dr. Joe J.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

I do not have video of the match, nor can I find an archive of it. I have been watching from home on a low quality, lagging stream, (my home internet connection is very slow). For this reason congrats to whoever has video of the match. This is what I remember seeing.

I do not remember which robot was which, so I will refer to the blue alliance robots as: blue 1, blue 2, and blue 3.

Blue 1 was stuck in the moat, so blue 2 tried to help them out. Blue 2 was able to push blue 1 off the moat, but in doing so blue 1 flipped, blocking the mid-field entrance/exit of the moat. Meanwhile blue 2 got stuck in the moat where blue 1 had been. Blue 3 appeared to not be moving, and was positioned it front of the low bar. They appeared to be more dead/disabled than stuck.

This is what I remember seeing, and is likely not a perfect account of what happened, but I am looking forward to seeing a video of it to see what actually happened. It could have very easily not been a triple, but instead a double if blue 3 happened to move again, or if blue 2 had freed themselves from the moat. (The webcast finished the final seconds of the match focused on the red robots surrounding/climbing the tower, so I was not able to see a definitive shot of a triple tortuga.)

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Waterbury - I'm not sure it was a triple, but of interest: a match (somewhere in the 30s), one robot flipped over in the courtyard, one stuck on the moat, the third on top of the second robot. Yep. My team was on top of the other robot.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Our "Tortuga" song hasn't been played yet at Waterbury, but with the help of mooretep, I think you all would enjoy.

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It finally got played. I forget which match. Only a lone Tortuga.

Hope mohave more tomorrow as there are several candidates with a high C.O.G.

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Alright, since I was wondering the likelihood of all your gift cards being claimed and since doing FRC-related statistical analysis is basically what I do for fun, I decided to crunch some numbers over it. After a lot of math, this is what I found:

In order for it to be more likely than not that all 5 of your Tortuga prizes are claimed, the mean probability of a robot getting stuck in any given match needs to be at least ~6.3% (i.e. the average robot would have to get stuck at least once every 16ish matches).*

From my prior knowledge in FRC, I would say this number is conservative enough that all 5 of your prizes will almost certainly be taken by the end of the season.

*To calculate this figure I assumed 127 competitions with 75 qual matches each on average (I eyeballed this average from TBA event pages). Also, this model relies on some tenuous assumptions about the distribution of likeliness to tortuga so, uh, don't use it to place any bets.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Is that implying all Tortugas are caught on video right away?

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Yes.

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I believe your calculations assume that tortugas are independent events. I think it highly likely that double and triple tortugas will be more common than the number of singles would indicate. The 3T from Palmetto is a great example of why this would be the case - none of those robots would have been a single tortuga. Only by interacting did the robots become immobile. The double tortuga reported by Hitchhiker 42 sounds like a bit of a cascade as well.

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Like this?

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That's impressive.

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It's amazing how such low robots are able to get tipped over.

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With the speeds of crossings and how high these robots jump, I am surprised it is not more common. Our robot flipped in one match at Mount Olive because we went full speed then reversed the wheels while in the air. DOH! We will endeavor not to do that again.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

We may see fewer tortugas (tortugae?) in later regionals, as I know my team has come up with some retrofit anti-tortuga pneumatics and has put them on our robot. I'm sure we'll see more of these as the season progresses, which may hinder the coveted triple tortuga.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

I have not yet seen any coveted triple tortugae. However, I have seen this double tortuga from the Semifinals at MAR's Hatboro-Horsham event.

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As my previous post stated, I'm not sure if this is a triple, but if you watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQXgQ2y7jw&list=PLp3snvGatd2jHJnrJ1NuSwQw FXvKgIzKX&index=50
from 2:57, you'll see 4557 trying to free 3780, but climbing on and being suspended by the bumpers between the moat and the other robot (we wiggle around, but can't get free until the match is over). The third robot 2785 is flipped over in the courtyard.

This is match 25 at Waterbury.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Hey I have a video of the triple tortuga at palmetto. The link is https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxaxG2GeTQ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxaxG2GeTQ

The Triple Tortuga did indeed occur at Palmetto, but its legitimacy may be questioned as one robot was not stuck on a defense, and was instead stuck on another robot.

EDIT: I see I have been beaten to this video. My apologies

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I accidentally deleted the attachment. Here it is.

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Pneumatics to flip a robot? That I'd like to see! Do you have a video of it in action? :D

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Just saw a hilarious single tortuga at Israel qual match 87:

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First of all. THANK YOU! I can't lie, I love watching these matches. There is little question as to this being at LEAST a Double Tortuga because as you say 4557 gets stuck trying to unstick 3780 who drives onto a defense during Auton and stay there (it is possible it was a coding error that caused the robot not to move during teleop, but I going to allow it).

The surprise in this video is the fate of the third robot. It is like one of those comedy sketches on Saturday Night Live. You see 2785 driving around in their opponent courtyard, the camera pans away for a bit, the camera pans back and BOOM! there is 2785 upside down (and I mean COMPLETELY wheels to the ceiling) just outside the batter. Crazy.

Does anyone know how this happened? It doesn't LOOK like it has anything to do with the Outerworks so unless I get more info, I am going t rule that this is NOT a Triple Tortuga.

BUT... ...if someone can give me eye witness testimony to connect this to a defense I am open to changing my mind.

Finally, if we don't end up getting enough Triple Ts to claim all the prizes, I will declare this an Honorary Triple Tortuga because of the complete and utter turtling that happened to 2785. Amazing.

Cheers,

Dr. Joe J.

Re: The Triple Tortuga is Contest born.
 

Full field view, starting at the flip: https://youtu.be/1wBvCjVG5AQ?t=1m57s