Team Update 3 (2016)
 

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So...are the boulders scored manually or by sensor? Does this mean a Ref has to be ready to take away a score should the ball enter the opening of the goal and bounce out off the chain?

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It's saying that for auton, if the ball passes through the goal opening during auton but reaches the sensor in teleop, it will count as an auton score.


Has this update made kicking the ball through the castle wall illegal? That's what I got it as anyway.

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...oh. That makes more sense. Now I feel silly.

As far as the kicking, I don't believe so, at least from the HP aspect. G38 is a robot rule (ROBOTS may not control more than one (1) BOULDER at any time.) with the blue box describing what "controlling" means.

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Oh dear launching now includes kicking boulders across the floor...
Did not expect that at all. Looks like I need to get drivers practice on staying on a ball so it doesn't look like they just want to blast it across the floor.

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Oh great. Now I need to ask the if G38, Blue Box D definition of "launching" applies to G39 about only launching while touching an opponent's COURTYARD. If you can't kick a ball across the floor unless you're touching your opponent's courtyard, that makes ball defense much slower and less valuable.
Having to hand carry a ball out of range of an offense bot is going to hurt.

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So you want to do the honors then?

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Fiddlesticks. There was a Q&A that the update was in response to. Q533So yes it applies. So no easy removal of dropped shots.

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You could drop the boulder in your own secret passage, so the offense robot won’t go for it at risk of a penalty. But you might get a G11 in that situation for intentionally playing defense when they pick the boulder up.

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So does this mean we can't play defense to prevent opponent robots from entering their secret passage?

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Unfortunately, I believe that is the intention.

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I think y'all are reading it wrong. I think this modification is related to the rule that you can only block one of the two embrasures while not touching your opponent's carpet. The whole idea here is that if you're leaning over and blocking a significant portion of your opponent's SECRET PASSAGE without touching its carpet, then you're significantly impeding the intended match flow of HPs feeding BOULDERs out to their alliance's bots. And if you're not touching the carpet, your opponent doesn't have the recourse of a penalty to chase you off and get her BOULDERS back.

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Mmmm... maybe. The verbage is a bit odd. At first glance I would consider isolating boulders IN your opponents secret passage without contacting it's carpet running interference to prevent bots from entering. I hope that's not the case.

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I think the GDC wants getting a boulder from the secret passage the equivalent of stealing a base in baseball. At the same time however baseball would be a very different sport if the main way of winning was just which team was the best at stealing bases.
A theory I have is the GDC is saying "Don't make a closed loop out of the scoring system"
Which is to say have a setup where you get the 6 cap of balls and then camp the passage as your supply line so every time you score you force the opposing side to introduce a ball into play (directly into your control) which you then score and use to repeat the process. The launching clarification means that you can't sit in the secret passage and "launch" a ball into the low goal. The only way to stop that would be to dedicate a robot to blocking the low goal which would leave all the other openings clear. This is just a theory though they could have patched this out by saying "you cannot score from your opponents secret passage."

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I think this is designed to specifically exclude some of the "cantilevered over the opponent's secret passage" strategies.