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We assumed like everyone else that as long as your bumper was over the outer works you could not be touched, from our perspective that was not how the rule was being called, attached is a screen shot from the stream of quarterfinal 1 match 1 where it is very obvious we have are actually contacting a defense, and yet no penalty was called, ironically it was announced as an "even more impressive, penalty free match". When we questioned after the match we were told the referees couldn't see it.

I just want to make it clear, I am not trying to bad mouth the volunteers at the event, in fact this was the first event I have ever attended where every volunteer, and employee of the venue were extraordinarily pleasant. I just wanted to show what was meant above.

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Yeah. If the Q&A clarifies it (I think I'm looking at the right questions).. then it should be legal unless they clarify/change it in the team updates.

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By the definition of traversing, it should be allowed even if the robot doesn't finish going over. There are no rules forcing a robot to traverse if it ever started traversing. There are only rules protecting robots that are in the act of traversing.

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Yea that's what I thought teams can't rely on that call. Thanks for verifying it.

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This is the rule that makes it illegeal:

G40 A ROBOT may not cause a BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s
COURTYARD unless:
A. the ROBOT contacts the BOULDER within OUTER WORKS, and
B. the ROBOT completes its CROSSING (e.g. doesn’t completely back out of the OUTER
WORKS into the NEUTRAL ZONE)

They then define crossing:
CROSS an act performed by a ROBOT, such that it starts free of contact with an opponent
DEFENSE and completely in the NEUTRAL ZONE, traverses the DEFENSE such that
its BUMPERS go fully between the adjacent SHIELDS/GUARDRAIL, and ends up fully
contained by the opponent’s COURTYARD

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Traversing to me and reading the rules means completing the action.. so if you don't end up in their courtyard fully IMO it won't count as a cross. So if you want 5 pts it seems you will have to cross fully (another 5 if you hit a HG in the process)

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The way I read that rule is you cannot lob boulders into courtyard or act as a defense conduit... If a bot crosses pauses and completes the shot and continues to traverse then the boulder was properly introduced was it not? The robot in my scenario would not back up but continue on ant the boulder in their courtyard at shot time.

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I was talking about specifically about scoring a high goal while your bumpers are resting in the outerworks. Finishing the cross doesn't mean anything since you only get points for going one way. This Q&A clarification helps reinforce the idea that you don't have to go over a defense to have the traversing benefit.

https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/Que...the-outerworks

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Are you resting your bumpers during a cross then continuing in or backing into them for protection after a valid cross?

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The scenario I was talking about was backing into them for protection after a complete cross and then shooting. That being said, G43's not being called will hurt a lot of teams who made the scenario a primary shooting method. Hopefully missed G43's are the rarity rather than the norm.

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I hope so too. Cause that's our teams main strategy at lake superior for scoring boulders in the high goal.

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You might want to notify the ref that's you intention it "should" be protected. However I'm not sure in real action if it'll get called all the time as 179 showed (refs have a lot to keep them busy) . Ref may not have good line of sight to your bumpers. There is no instant reply either.

Better have a plan B...we think alike and are rooting for it to be true as its in the rules. But real live action may dictate otherwise.

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If you look at the examples in the blue boxes, particularly example B, there is no requirement for the robot to remain in contact with the Boulder throughout the Crossing.

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So Erich is it legal in your opinion like many of us envisioned to cross pause/shoot to then score both a HG and a successful cross in one action? (5 +5=10) then rinse repeat as long as we complete the crossing each time?

Cross...pause/shoot(bumper hang) ..continue into courtyard....exit...repeat

I have no delusions this is easy but do want to know if its an option to get those points/scoring moves efficiently as possible.

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We didn't press the issue as it didn't affect the outcome of a match.

I'm fairly confident as the events move on this will be watched more closely and called more often. There were very few attempts made at shooting from the outer-works this weekend and they can't catch everything.

Ref's did a great job keeping track of defense crossings which was way more important in my book.