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paul.dornfeld 23-01-2016 23:03

Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
If the boulder is kept in front of the bot with no boulder "inside" it?

rich2202 23-01-2016 23:13

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Technically, that would be Herding, and is a valid method of controlling a boulder. As long as you do not control more than one boulder at a time, that is fine.

paul.dornfeld 23-01-2016 23:15

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1529209)
Technically, that would be Herding, and is a valid method of controlling a boulder. As long as you do not control more than one boulder at a time, that is fine.

Great! Thank you so much.

paul.dornfeld 23-01-2016 23:19

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Follow up.

If I didn't want the risk of foul by driving through my opponent's secret passage, I would have to "heard" the boulder through one of the defenses, which would double up as weakening it (provided all the parameters for weakening are met), true?

Edxu 23-01-2016 23:25

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paul.dornfeld (Post 1529213)
Follow up.

If I didn't want the risk of foul by driving through my opponent's secret passage, I would have to "heard" the boulder through one of the defenses, which would double up as weakening it (provided all the parameters for weakening are met), true?

Uh, you could probably reread the rules for crossing defenses.

If you cross into THEIR courtyard through THEIR secret passage, it's not risking a foul, it IS a foul. In fact, it's a tech foul if you do it a few times.

The only way you're allowed to enter the opponent's courtyard is through a defense in the OUTER WORKS.

Back on topic: In your situation, I believe that the described method is a valid way to have a ball enter the opponent's courtyard, as you're correct in that you're herding the ball, which is considered control

paul.dornfeld 23-01-2016 23:33

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Edxu (Post 1529215)
Uh, you could probably reread the rules for crossing defenses.

If you cross into THEIR courtyard through THEIR secret passage, it's not risking a foul, it IS a foul. In fact, it's a tech foul if you do it a few times.

The only way you're allowed to enter the opponent's courtyard is through a defense in the OUTER WORKS.

Back on topic: In your situation, I believe that the described method is a valid way to have a ball enter the opponent's courtyard, as you're correct in that you're herding the ball, which is considered control

Whoa! Thanks for the clarification. Helps a lot.

GreyingJay 23-01-2016 23:36

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Yes, remember, it's a "secret passage" to get into their castle and bypass their own defenses. Meaning ostensibly only their own alliance knows about it and knows how to use it. As far as your alliance is concerned, it doesn't even exist (which is essentially how the rules frame it).

Christopher149 23-01-2016 23:45

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Also relevant is G40:

Quote:

Originally Posted by G40
A ROBOT may not cause a BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD unless:

A. the ROBOT contacts the BOULDER within OUTER WORKS, and
B. the ROBOT completes its CROSSING (e.g. doesn’t completely back out of the OUTER WORKS into the NEUTRAL ZONE)

So, you may herd the boulder up and over a defense, and it can even roll away from you into the courtyard, but you must complete your crossing of the defense right there.

paul.dornfeld 23-01-2016 23:53

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyingJay (Post 1529221)
Yes, remember, it's a "secret passage" to get into their castle and bypass their own defenses. Meaning ostensibly only their own alliance knows about it and knows how to use it. As far as your alliance is concerned, it doesn't even exist (which is essentially how the rules frame it).

Yes, that makes sense. Thank you.

paul.dornfeld 23-01-2016 23:54

Re: Bulldozing one boulder at a time: is it legal?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1529223)
Also relevant is G40:



So, you may herd the boulder up and over a defense, and it can even roll away from you into the courtyard, but you must complete your crossing of the defense right there.

Very good to know. Thank you.


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