You want a piece of me??? Dr. Joe's Tote
 

Okay, I know most of you are probably travelling to various kickoff, but I could not let the pre-season go by without causing some sort of a stir. I have tried in various threads on various fori (plural of forum?) but have failed in getting anybody to bite. So here goes another attempt:



Dr. Joe's Tote Board
[list=1][*]2 vs. 2 format : odds 1:1
Accepted by Evan "The Kidd" Doyle [*]One Goal : odds 1:1
Accepted by Stephen Rawls[*]Final Position(s) of Goal(s) Figures in Score : odds 2:1
Accepted by Ken Lueng[*]Torroids (e.g. inner tubes, inflatable floatie toys, hoola hoops, etc) are a game piece : odds 2:1
Accepted by Evan "The Kidd" Doyle [*]If balls, no smaller than 9 inch diameter : odds 2:1 [*]Flat Floor (nothing larger than 1 inch to climb) : odds 3:1
Accepted by Justin Hirt [*]Robots Off Floor (e.g. hanging on goal) Figure in Scoring : odds 4:1
Accepted by Jordan A.[*]Goal has all three of the following attributes : odds 5:1
1) a double decker plywood structure on casters with the flanges and nipples separating the decks
2) 1" PVC conduits making up an outer fence of vertical pales
3) 3" PVC conduit making up a veritical column in center of the goal
Accepted by Dima
[/list=1]

Any takers?

Joe J.

Please note the following:[list=1][*]Wagers are just for fun.[*]All wagers are limited to the first person to respond to this message PRIOR to 9:00am EST on Jan. 5, 2002. [*]All bets are to be paid in cases of soda of the winners choice (e.g. Mt. Dew, Code Red, Coke, etc.). [*]Odds X:Y means that if Dr. Joe wins, he is owed X cases of his favorite soda, if Dr. Joe loses, he owes the winner Y cases of the winner's favorite soda.[*]Payout to be at the Championship Event unless other arrangements are mutually agreed to in advance.[*]In the case of a dispute of the winner of the bet, a poll on this forum will determine the outcome.[*]Finally and most importantly, Dr. Joe has no inside knowledge of any thing -- I AM JUST GUESSING AND INFERRING FROM PUBLIC DATA -- REALLY.[/list=1]

A question for you
 

Why are you ending the wager an hour after the kickoff starts??? The actual kickoff starts at 8:00 am EST in New Hampshire. The Webcast-Nasa Feed starts @ 9:00 am EST.

Another question that will appeal to the gambler in you;
What are the odds of someone being able to post the game they learn at kickoff in NH between 8:00 and 9:00 EST if they are at NH and have a mobile web device to post on the C.D. forums????????

Just my 2¢ 's

Re: A question for you
 

actually, they won't unveil the field until 11:00 AM EST. here is the agenda:

Agenda
8:00 AM Registration and coffee
9:00–11:00 AM Welcoming Remarks
Spirit of Design Contests (Woodie Flowers)
Kit and Contest System Preview
11:00 AM 2002 FIRST Robotics Competition Presentation
12:00 PM Kit Hand-out
1:00 PM Kickoff ends

Pick and choose your wagers...
 

Just in case there is any confusion.

You need not take all the bets or none. You can pick the ones you like the odds on and sign up for those wagers only.

Joe J.

Shouldn't that be the other way around. I.E.: If I bet one case on torroids, shouldn't you pay out 2 if I win, since I am placing the bet?

BTW, that was NOT a bet.

I'm in!
 

Well, I'm normally not a gambler, Mr. Johnson, but I'd like in on this bit of robotics fun.

I think I'll bet you that it will be 2 vs. 2. Oh, and my favorite soda is Dr. Pepper, just in case I win : )

Stephen Rawls, Team 122

As to EddieMcD's comments:

I set the wagers and the odds. Since the game can be ANYTHING, I think that it is in general riskier to make a statement about what the game will be than to state what it will NOT be. So, in general, the odds favor me in that I get a higher benefit for me if I am correct.

For example, If I were to bet you on the outcome of a single roll of a fair 6 sided dice, I might have a feeling about the dice coming up #1 next roll. In this case, I would make a statement like "Then next roll will be a 1 : Odds 6:1" meaning I bet that then next roll will be a 1, if someone accepts my wager and a 1 comes up, they would owe me 6 cases of Mt. Dew. If it came up anything other than a 1, I would have to pay them 1 case of whatever they wanted.

Assuming that the setter of the odds and the accepter of the bet are equally good a predicting outcomes (and that the bet is repeated many times) over time everything will average out and nobody will be richer or poorer for all the betting.

In the case of fair dice everyone is (or should be) equally bad at prediction but equally good at estimating the odds of various outcomes. However, in other cases (e.g. predicting FIRST games) it is tricker. In this case, I am making a claim and posting up odds. If you think I have mis-judged the odds, then you will think that it is a good bet and take me up on it. If so, feel free.

Now concerning Mr. Rawls:

I am afraid in light of the discussion above that you may have misunderstood my position, so I will not accept your wager until we are clear. I win if the game is 2 vs 2. You win if the game is something other than 2 vs. 2.

Are you still in?

Joe J.

Hmm ... sorry about that, I guess I misunderstood. Well, I'm not in with that bet, but I'm in with this one:

I bet that there will not be only 1 goal. (I think there will be two, but that doesn't effect the bet, I guess). We probably need to define what we mean by "goal." This is what I came up with in my head, feel free to improve it.

A goal is any object in/on which things (most likely balls, but anything except robots, i.e and endzone is not a goal) can be placed to score points.

Stephen Rawls, team 122

i got two bets
 

2 vs. 2 format : odds 1:1

I'll bet a case of coke no on this one i think it will be a 3 vs 3 or
4 vs 4

Torroids (e.g. inner tubes, inflatable floatie toys, hoola hoops, etc) are a game piece : odds 2:1

I think FIRST is going with a brand new game piece; I could be wrong. But I am pretty sure it won't be torroids. (I'll put cherry coke on this one)

p.s. This post comes from the captain Evan "The Kidd" Doyle so look for me if I win...or lose

here it is 5 min of work
 

he it is

o and you are on about torroids number 4 on your list 2:1

(i got your mountain dew ready)

Too Late...
 

Dima,

Evan "The Kidd" Doyle beat you to the punch concerning torroids.

Your picture of the goal looks cool, but you are very much mistaken I am afraid.

Care to wager on the goal construction? 5 to 1 odds, very steep if you loose, but remember all 3 attributes have to be right for me to collect (I have just edited my initial post to clarify this point).

If I am wrong on even one, you win.

In your opinion, I am wrong about the vertical fence made from upright 1" PVC.

You want any of that action?

Joe J.

he he he
 

hold on

clariffy the second rule for the goal?

ALl for fun
 

ok its cool no matter what!!!

verital pales == upright poles
 

The second condition of the goal wager is that the 1" PVC conduits will make up an "fence" of verital poles around the perimeter of the goal.

That is they will be like pales of a fence around the edge of the goal. Imaging an old west fort -- the vertical sharp pointy sticks are pales. Of course, the density of the pales will not be as high as in a fence of this type and they will not be pointy, but you get the idea.

Are we still on?

Joe J.

LoL, I am but a poor high school student Joe, but I will bet you one Dew that the goals will not be what you predict. And since the bet is such a small amount, if you are right, I will fork over a *audience gasp* full six-pack of the soda of your choice.

~Tom Fairchild~, who's thinking that this was a great way to stir up excitement. :D

YES
 

YES YES YES

Dima's bet to back away from...
 

Tom,

Dima has until 9:00am Sat. to back out of the bet. If he does, you are in his place.

Dima,

We know you are out there! Let us know.

Joe J.

Dima is IN ... Sorry Tom....
 

EOM

I'll take you on
 

I see your flat floor bet. There is no way the floor is going to be flat, there's no fun in that. I expect my payment as a case of Dr. Pepper on day one of"The Champonship".

Justin Hirt
Student Captain
Team 116 Herndon High School and NASA Headquarters

test
 

testing if i can use my palm/cellphone to post

See I have a perdicament

I will take your hanging robots bet, but I dont know if my team is going to nats

Stupid epcot, too small :D

We will work something out.
 

You are on the tote...

Joe J.

Joe, You think you have time for this wagering stuff ??? Get back to work on the "secret weapon" !!! See ya in the morning !

BWT
 

did my IP get logged from the 'test' post? can you check just wandering

Your IP is shown below...
 

The IP Address is: 198.49.180.202. The host name is: usr-nat202.pn.genesyslab.com.

Can't have a wager without me!!!
 

I will take on the: Final Position(s) of Goal(s) Figures in Score : odds 2:1... Even though how ever unlikely it will be, since it calls for a bridge for last year, or the puck at 1999...

But I am just bored at Kate Leach's house trying to stay alive with super flu and double jet lag coming back from Hong Kong...

Hmm.... Let me in?

hey ken
 

you think i should back out yes? no? maybe

Ken,

I win if the position of the goal or goals figures in the score, you win if they do not. So for example, if we made this bet every year for the past 4 years, I would have won in 1999 and 2001 and you would have won in 1998 and 2000.

Is it a bet then? Let us know before 9:00am EST.


Dima,

Are you still on the fence? FOCUS! ;-)
I suppose that you have until 9:00am ESt as I am a man of my word, but it seemed to me that you had sort of committed to the wager -- it was only "chat delay" that let me let you off the hook after you had "shook" on it. Ah well, I suppose Tom is still willing to take me up of you are not.


General Wagering Public,

Nobody thinks we will have small balls? Are my odds out of line or is the outcome too certain? Remember that we have had small balls in 1993, 1994, and again in 1996? Any takers?

Joe J.

Joe J.

This is a point of no return!
 

Posting a 6am in the morning of kickoff... I have a feeling that my decision I have to make have a tone of "it's now or never!" Well, there is no backing out now. I will take the bet either way. Hey, I think my odds are pretty good considering they have the bridge last year. On the plus side, I always enjoy bringing a case of Mountain Dew to Florida...

And Dima, there's no backing out now! Let's show the people what GRT spirit is all about!!!

yea ok
 

it's just that i'll have fun time bringing 5 cases of dew to florida maybe i can **** it in the crate or some thing. Joe you are still on even though i think you are right!

Hey Mr. Johnson ... looks like its three goals, so I guess I win. The game looks pretty exciting, so I'll go and work out some "strategery" now :)

See you at nats!
Stephen

looks like yah lost quite a few bets there
 

lol

As far as i can tell you got 2v2 format right, final postion of the goal right, and the double decker right.

I think your gonna be taking quite a few cases of soda to FL!!!!!!!!!:D

guess i won
 

I won more than I lost so I guess that makes it a good day

Joe how do you want to handle this? I owe you 1 case and you owe me 2

Also what do you consider a case

Dr Joe Tallies the Tote...
 

I think that I won bets #1, #3, #6, & #8.

I lost bets #2, #4, & #7.

I would have lost bet #5, except that nobody took me up on the bet.

So

I am even with Evan "The Kidd" Doyle because I lost #4 (I owe 1 case) and I won #1 (he owes me 1 case).

I owe 1 case to Stephen Rawls for bet #2. Name your poison.

Ken Lueng owes me 2 cases of Mt. Dew for #3.

Justin Hirt owes me 3 cases of Mt. Dew for #6.

I owe 1 case to Jordan A. for #7. Again, name your poison.

Dima owes me 5(!) cases of Mt. Dew for #8.

All in all, I suppose that I came out pretty well. I was lucky.

It was all great fun in any case.

Joe J.

P.S. In my book, a case of soda is 12 cans, though I should have been more specific. If any of my fellow gamblers have a different opinion, make your case for some other interpretation of a case. JJ

Hey Joe
 

I knew at five a.m. here PST that you were right but i didn't feel like backing out will be fair so i stuck with it. My question is that 5 cases of Dew is ALOT to take to Florida is there a better soluction?
If not I guess i can ship it in the crate

We can work something out. Perhaps I we will all just run out to a grocery store in FL and settle things that way. 5 Cases ought to hold me for most of the tourney ;-)

Joe J.

I feel bad for ya...
 

I feel bad for you, dima... Even just last year when I only had to take ONE case of Dew to Joe J., it was extremely annoying already, with all the flights and the dew being carry by a carry-on and all. And now you will have to bring FIVE...

Hey! How come I never knew I acn get it off easy and run out to a grocery store in FL? Just seeing how Dr. Joe's eyes shine when he saw the case of Dew was all worth it though...

Maybe we can work something out and convert Dews into Pizza parties?

I'm a pepsi fan, but tell you what. I dont know if we will be going to Florida (have to win)

if we do I will let you know and claim my prize, if I dont, then dont worry about it.

Well, I like Dr. Pepper the best, so that's what I'll ask for.

See you at nationals,
Stephen

Luck is on my side, I will in fact be at Nationals Joe, ready to claim my prize! :)

Kinetic Knights all the way