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Jarren Harkema 10-02-2016 22:02

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
This seems to be the case of a silent majority and vocal minority. There are valid arguments to be made on both sides. At this point in the season, teams who have already designed to NOT go UNDER the bar aren't going to change their minds. I think the more interesting number is now many teams change their minds in the last 13 days and decide to not limbo.

Sperkowsky 10-02-2016 22:07

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I put other since...

We can go under the low bar
Cross every defense without help other then The Sally Port, and Drawbridge.
Climb
Shoot High goals and low goals

We have finished the mechanisms to do everything but climb. The climber is slated to be finished at the end of this week.

MrForbes 10-02-2016 22:20

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I selected that we can do B/D defenses. But I also think that we can breach, since we don't have to do one category (that would be A for us), and we might be able to do C with alliance help.

Since this can be interpreted two ways, I am not very confident that the poll is an accurate reflection of what some folks think it is.

evanperryg 10-02-2016 23:00

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrForbes (Post 1538349)
Since this can be interpreted two ways, I am not very confident that the poll is an accurate reflection of what some folks think it is.

Advice taken, threw in a little edit in my original post to hopefully provide a little clarity. Regardless of possible misinterpretations, I think this poll still shows that a stunning number of teams plan on taking on the single hardest strategy available in this game, and only a select few have explicitly chosen to focus on one aspect of the game. Whether one particular strategy proves superior to the other will be proven in competition, but it seems we may have already made that decision ourselves.

GeeTwo 11-02-2016 00:43

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We're building as a sapper (breaching specialist) first and foremost. But, as this has limited scoring possibilities (especially if there is another sapper on the alliance), we also have a boulder pickup and launch at high goal (and can reverse the pickup for a low goal attempt), though our speed is rather slow and we have only made two high goal shots so far - but they were consecutive and did not touch the tower on the way in.

We're switching from surgical tubing to springs (springs arrived via UPS today) to improve range/height consistency from shot to shot.

We are currently light enough that we may work on a scaling mechanism or a deployable defensive wall after bagging.

PayneTrain 11-02-2016 00:50

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
50% checking in for "Yes low bar, breach capable with a shooter"...


cadandcookies 11-02-2016 01:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1538413)
50% checking in for "Yes low bar, breach capable with a shooter"...


i mean, the poll doesn't state they do it all effectively...

Street_dreamZ 11-02-2016 01:43

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarren Harkema (Post 1538342)
At this point in the season, teams who have already designed to NOT go over the bar aren't going to change their minds.

How many teams are we talking about here exactly? :yikes:

GeeTwo 11-02-2016 01:51

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jarren Harkema (Post 1538342)
At this point in the season, teams who have already designed to NOT go over the bar aren't going to change their minds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Street_dreamZ (Post 1538430)
How many teams are we talking about here exactly? :yikes:

That would include us. Avoiding G45 yellow cards was high on our priority list, and I doubt we'll change that.::rtm:: :p

Jarren Harkema 11-02-2016 07:00

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Ahh! Poor choice of words. My bad.

OccamzRazor 11-02-2016 09:43

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
At this rate there should be a poll with how consistent the shooters will actually be. I think if you could sink two baskets in 2012 you were doing better than most teams that year.

This is year is going to be a scouting nightmare.

sagi34 11-02-2016 10:02

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OccamzRazor (Post 1538501)
At this rate there should be a poll with how consistent the shooters will actually be. I think if you could sink two baskets in 2012 you were doing better than most teams that year.

This is year is going to be a scouting nightmare.

I dont agree about this, I think that this year scouting is gonna be realy fun, scouting nightmare was 2013 mission, was hard to follow all the discs that were flying around the field.

Jarren Harkema 11-02-2016 10:25

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1538413)
50% checking in for "Yes low bar, breach capable with a shooter"...



Drakxii 11-02-2016 10:28

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Do remember this is a poll of Chief Dehlpi teams. This is not a clean slice of the general FRC population. Rather this is a highly skewed sample of teams who's BBQ is far greater then the standard FRC population.

Keefe2471 11-02-2016 12:11

Re: Low Bar Poll, part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakxii (Post 1538519)
Do remember this is a poll of Chief Dehlpi teams. This is not a clean slice of the general FRC population. Rather this is a highly skewed sample of teams who's BBQ is far greater then the standard FRC population.

Why do people think this? Not to pick on specifically Drakxii, but almost any interesting poll has multiple comments like these. It doesn't seem to do anything but reinforce the casual elitism on this forum.

Clearly, teams on Chief Delphi have some advantages that should make their robots and teams better, but besides the general consensus is there really any evidence of this? There are some very top tier teams with active members on this forum, but there are also plenty of teams that are either basically rookies or show off robots that are typical of the average competitive FIRST robotics team I see at competitions.

I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but I think that dismissing this poll (or any poll on this website) on the assumption that most of the 300 people who have already responded to this poll are on far better than average teams does not seem to do anything except cheapen the discussion.

Thoughts?


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