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Team 1991 just received our invitation, and we plan on accepting. See you all there!

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Wait list teams added this morning:
237
810
904
1515
1991
2240
2496
2791
2839
3840
3926
4156
4192
5002

Previous wait list teams that declined:
178
2555
3501
5261

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Ayyyy :D

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Best news of the entire year! Wooooooooo

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Thanks for the shoutout Kevin, unfortunately, we cannot afford to attend. We thought we had a bot that could compete this year, but financially can't make it happen. Hoping to be able to attend next year as it will be Team 145's 20th anniversary. See you in October at the Rumble!

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I know that team 3397 applied for the wait list, but I do not see them listed. Can anyone help me find out what happened?

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This is the list created for Champs. You would only appear on it if you are invited from the wait list. For some reason the list of teams on the wait list has not been made public.

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Semi random lottery. If you didn't get an invitation (yet) you just didn't get your number pulled from the hat.

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Oh well, we were hopeful. Good luck to all the teams competing we will be down there cheering everyone on.

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Don't give up hope yet - there are still a few spots to be filled. Being local gives us a slight advantage in that we can more easily accept a last minute offer.

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Added (invited from wait list):
1073
2228
2393
3930
4466
5261

Removed (declined their wait list invitation):
810
2496
2791
2839
4192

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(Team 772) We are still hoping as well. But with the deadline to release our hotel block fast approaching I hope we get a lottery win in time to keep the hotels....

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As of right now, 2791's team page (frclinks.com/t/2791) still shows them as registered. I don't think they have committed to a decision either way yet, but that could have changed in the last hour or two. Is there another page with more up to date waitlist information?

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Here you go Chris

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I'm looking at this page which pulls data from this official site.

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2733 has accepted. We are looking forward to attending our first championship event in team history!

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Well crap. I guess it wasn't in the cards for Shaker then... Too bad.

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It is my regret to report that Shaker is currently not planning on attending CMP.

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Sitting at 597 registered teams.

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Some late night changes:
Invited- 353, 2964, 4694
Declined- 894

Not a wait list team, but 368 was also removed from the registration list

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Kika Mana is withdrawing? It'll be a shame to not see them there this year. Their robot is fantastic.

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For how consistently solid y'all are, that's really shocking!

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Large # of changes Recently. Some are likely district teams. (Like 193)
Under my current knowledge my team 3135 will be accepting.

With this update we are sitting at 600 teams.

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From what I can tell, only 88, 193, and 5686 were invited due to district declines, the rest are from the wait list.

Also notable: it appears 5261 was invited (and declined) twice from the wait list.

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District teams are still being adjusted, but here are just the wait list changes:

Invited- 894 (again..?), 5472, 5499
Declined- 4466

This brings the total number of currently registered teams to 599.

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FYI, the FIRST district rankings page indicates if a team is "qualified" or not (as well as those that declined their invitations). This can be used to determine if a district team made it off the waitlist or is being awarded a points spot.

http://frc-districtrankings.usfirst.org/2016/MAR

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Yes, but the two highest unqualified teams (5624 and 1989) are currently registered, as of yesterday, suggesting that list is outdated.

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Or that both of those teams got off the waitlist.

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Another batch of invites, this time some local teams included like 1329, 4931 and 4329. 4329 is accepting and will see everyone next week!

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More updates to the Champs List

I'm glad to see 4329 on this list

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What are the odds of that?

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Added 5167

We are up to 601.

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Tight deadline .. Hope y'all can figure out travel!

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Step 1: Load kids into vehicles
Step 2: Drive 30 minutes to venue

:]

Benefits of being a local team I see. Glad to see both 4329, and 4931 have a chance to go to champs. You guys were great at St. Louis regional!

Sent from my 0PAJ5 using Tapatalk

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The random number generator seems stuck on local STL teams. I wonder what the defining radius is.

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More Updates and we are down to 598.

I expect more changes to happen still

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5167 Marysville, MI just added
Possibly to back fill for 3548 that was removed yesterday?

4694 Amarillo, TX just removed
No have why.

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11am on TH 4/21
Removed:

• 371 Staten Island, NY
• 1515 Beverly Hills, CA

Added:

• 834 Center Valley, PA
• 3172 Salina, KS
• 4694 Amarillo, TX
• 5002 Collierville, TN

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I'm very glad to see 834 qualified. It was very unfortunate that teams didn't value low goaling/ball manipulation skills enough in MAR during playoffs, as they averaged over 6 low goals/match for their last 6 matches.

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Why do they keep putting some of the same teams on the list that were already removed? I have seen at least 3 that have been pulled twice. Wish they would just pull our number, we are ready to go.

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Whatever they are using to select teams probably does not remove all drawings of the team.

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Thought that might be it. Seems that after a team declines that all there "tickets" should be removed. It would be annoying to have to keep declining every day because your number keeps coming up.

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Why would a team be dropped off the list?:mad:

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Only if they declined( to my knowledge). Or if FIRST made a mistake.

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I feel like FIRST is cutting it a little close with their plan to release divisions AND schedules tomorrow. Perhaps it's just me but I think a lot of these "add, wait 24 hours, drop, repeat" slowdowns could be avoided if FIRST were to send out a refresher email to all the waitlist teams perhaps over last weekend saying "hey, we know you're signed up for the waitlist, but please reply if your team would actually be able to attend at this late hour" and adjust the list accordingly.

All this adding and dropping from the list is agonizing. I know my team doesn't really have the best chances of making the list, but hey, what else am I going to do with the week off from school due to the entire city flooding?

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IIRC... they have released divisions in the past and still made minor adds/dels to the team lists without changing who is already in each division.

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Correct. This happened last year I believe.

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Does anyone know if FIRST plans to have 76 teams per division as they did last year or if they plan to have just 75 (i.e. these 600 teams are the teams with possible drops/adds as they or is FIRST sitting on 8 more golden tickets they haven't yet put on the list just yet)?

Overclocked is still hoping against hope to get an invite and it feels less unseemly to hope for a newly opened slot than to hope one of the teams on the list has to drop out...

Dr. Joe J.

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I have not seen an official answer but all signs I have seen point to 75 teams per division.

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Correct, but the preliminary match schedules have never before been published on the same day divisions are released. Last year divisions were announced on Wednesday, but the match schedules came out on Friday, which allowed two days for changes to be made to the divisions before generating schedules.

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Where does one view the teams that are currently registered for Championship?

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I don't remember but I think that FIRST had shown 600 slots basically until they published the list and it had 76 teams per division (one team from Carson got lost on the way to St. Louis or some such -- so there were only 607 actual teams competing). Perhaps that is the way they plan on rolling this year as well. Hard to figure FIRST out at times...

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You guys were just added an hour ago FYI - http://frc.divisions.co/history

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REMOVED

• 3172 Salina, KS
• 4694 Amarillo, TX
• 5002 Collierville, TN

ADDED

• 1466 Knoxville, TN
• 3397 University City, MO

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After having the best season in our teams history, we surprisingly and unfortunately did not win an event or any awards so we were hungry for a spot! We are very excited to compete next week!

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Congratulations! You guys have a solid robot this year, happy that you'll get to play again officially one more time.

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Thanks a lot, as Clayton said, we're very excited to be able to use our most successful robot again. I think that we were one of the last teams on the waitlist to be invited, if not the last, so we're pretty excited lol

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I ran numbers in this or another thread. A bird told me the target cycle time was 7.5 minutes. Assuming 75 teams, that's 10 matches per team and 22 minutes of buffer time in the schedule. One more team adds 2 more matches and knocks the buffer down to 7 minutes. Given how things have run everywhere this year, I think they'd aim for 75 teams and the extra buffer time.

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It seems that FIRST is trying to have exactly 600 teams this year. And they are very close to doing so.

Last year we ended up with 607 teams. If they were going to end up with more they would have* given the spots out by now.
*It only seems to make sense. Every time they remove teams they add another to fill the spot created.

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1466 will be declining our waitlist invite. We were at Champs last year and, while it would be great to go again, we're going to focus that time and funding elsewhere. I hope this opens another slot to a team still waiting.

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With 75 teams and 10 matches each, that is 750 robot matches.
750 robot matches with 6 teams per match is 125 game matches

Qualifications is from 8:30-5:00 on Thursday, and 8:00 to 6:30 on Friday, That is 8.5 hours on Thursday, and 10.5 hours on Friday for a total of 19 hours.

However, there are 2 hour lunch breaks on each day, so the total for matches is 15 hours, or 900 minutes.

125 game matches at 7 minutes per match is 875 minutes, leaving 25 minutes for the 10 Audience Defense Selection (2.5 minutes per selection).

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It was exciting to see another Knoxville team on the list, but I hope you guys have a good off-season. Was very impressed by your robot this year.

3966 still crossing our fingers to get an invite. Almost unbagged the robot yesterday because we have an event on Monday, but we found other things to do instead. We've never been and would love to go.

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REMOVED

• 1466 Knoxville, TN

ADDED

• 272 Lansdale, PA
• 1209 Tulsa, OK

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Yes, this by far has been the most successful robot built by the team. It is very exciting to just compete on this level and no matter the outcome all teams are winners.

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My sources say 1209 has accepted.

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REMOVED:

• 894 Flint, MI

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So where's the wait list for teams that want to go to champs I can't find it ?

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I don't think the waitlist is publicly visible, but you can see the teams registered for Champs at frclinks.com/e/cmp/2016.

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That list is not public.

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2 teams added yesterday, and 2 teams added today.

One team added yesterday declined, and one team reportedly accepted.

The two unknown teams are 3397, and 272. 3397 is local so, presumably they would accept.

272 was added today, and is unknown. The roster is at 599 teams.

So, 1 more team is invited to make 600? And, if 272 declines, then another team after that?

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3397 Was added then removed and readded. I would suspect that they accepted.

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This tweet makes it seem as though 272 will accept their invitation.

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894 dropped out earlier so since there hasn't been another invite, the roster is still at 599 and 1 opening if 272 accepts.

I swear at this point HQ should add 3 teams and whoever confirms first gets it. It'll hurt the 2 that are too slow, but the time it takes for a team to confirm is pushing the process out too long. Either that or they cut it at 599 and that's it. It's not like anyone but a local team is going to pull off a Champs trip all on Monday.

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Correct, we have accepted the invitation. How many teams does it add up to now?

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We still are at 599.

http://frc.divisions.co/

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I know it only affects a small number of teams but FIRST should be ashamed of how they have run the Championship Invite List this year.

I don't speak for 246, but I can speak for my own experience as a mentor on a team that was on the bubble. FIRST has been completely opaque. We've gotten basically no explanation of the process or how things would work or when we would know something or not.

Part of our team is convinced that a mistake was made and that we should have been invited based on our rank at the end of the NEF-DCMP. We brought it up with NEF folks only to be told it is out of their hands. We have brought it up with FIRST. No answer. Not a yes, not a no, nothing. When we finally called to get to a live body they didn't seem interested in hearing the argument yet alone explaining why we were mistaken. All they could say was that it is done by an algorithm and they don't explain their algorithms to teams. Repeated request for more info resulted in no response whatever.

Earlier in the week, when some seniors where getting worked up about a potential mistake being made, I assured my team that they'd be treated fairly. I can't say that now. Maybe they were treated fairly. Maybe they were cheated out of an invite to St. Louis. Who can say? It is done by Algorithm and FIRST doesn't explain its Algorithms to teams.

I believe that FIRST owes the community more transparency (any transparency would an improvement). One quote I heard from another mentor, "FIRST is a black box about their CMP list. They make their decisions and explain nothing."

I'll close as I started: FIRST should be ashamed of how they have run the Championship Invite List this year.

Dr. Joe J.

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I would hope the announcement about 2Champz will clarify some things like this whenever they get around to making it. I was assuming there would be an announcement or town hall about it at Champs, but I don't see one on the schedule. If there's a surprise town hall, I'd be willing to be an advocate on this for teams that feel slighted or in the dark about the current selection process, as would others on here, I'm sure. I'd need a crash course in district advancement and why your team thinks they should've gotten an invite, however, since I've been in Regional-ville for my whole career.

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FIRST's site shows 600 and all divisions have 75 teams.

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The secret team appears to be 5326

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Another local team.

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You would think by Monday after the last weekend of competition, FIRST could publish a list of the order of the teams to be invited.

Teams could then figure out their likelihood of clearing the waitlist, and watch the acceptances/declines. Teams could even pre-decline.

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Call me crazy but the admin manual mentions nothing about First being allowed to specially invite local teams off the waitlist. I understand the idea but then there should be something in writing.

I wish the waitlist process was just entirely more open and know. It's this weird hidden thing throughout manual and everything about it seems vague.

But all in all its better then nothing. My team may not have gotten invited this year but we will either make it next year or have 8 entries and hope for the best.

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Added.

• 5326 St. Louis, MO

It is unclear why but they have not been added to this list which has been the most "live" list FIRST was publishing (and is now showing division assignments so someone has updated that data but just not the last team they added).

5326 is listed on this list which had been updating episodically (once day or so),

The freshness date disclaimer says "Participant list last modified Apr 22, 2016 14:55 event time."

For what it is worth, that freshness date seems to correspond to when they removed 894 from the live list and were only showing 599 teams (and still are only showing that number actually).

Strange.

Dr. Joe J.

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This disparity has been concerning me as well. Either FIRST should publish consistent data within a reasonable time frame or they should take any sites they don't want to update offline.

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If you want to REALLY get your undies in a bunch try comparing these official "FRC District Ranking System" lists which purport to show who is "qualified" or "D.I." (Declined Invitation) or "---" (Did Not Qualify / Not Yet Qualified) to that actual CMP List. There are dependencies at every level for every district.

It is this crazy quilt system that FIRST presents to the world and declines to explain.

When there are discrepancies that seem to point to errors or disparate treatment of teams between districts, FIRST doesn't respond to repeated inquiries by e-mail. And when questioned by phone hides behind an algorithm and explains by saying they don't have to explain.

Not FIRST's brightest hour.

Dr. Joe J.

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It looks like 1625 replaced 5931 in Carson.

Can anyone confirm?

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Michigan ended up with 86 spots after it was all said and done.

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For what it is worth, someone NE FIRST finally sent me a table with some data that has convinced me that we were treated fairly, there was not a mistake in the invitation list at least as far as our team is concerned. So... that's good.

Still doesn't clear up the issues of transparency and timely responses but at least I did get something to reassure the team that a mistake didn't keep them from St. Louis.

FWIW.

Dr. Joe J.