Waterloo Regional 2016
 

This regional gonna be so tough and nobody knows whats gonna happen! Maybe like 2014 or just a whole other story but maybe it will be 1114 and 2056 back together! But this is the one regional where an alliance on practice day can consist of all TeamIFI teams! Any thoughts, comments, or predictions? #WaterwaterwaterLOOLOOLOO #TeamIFI #stronghold

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With Waterloo in just a few days, Team 610 is excited to compete at our second, and last regional of the season. It's been a few years since we've attended Waterloo (last time being 2013), but we're happy to be back and joining in on the competition. As always, we have some pretty amazing teams in attendance, and we know that it's going to be a great competition as always.

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Between the high level of play, the production value, and the talented MCs/GAs, I've always loved watching Waterloo. If I wasn't working another regional this week I'd be glued to the stream for sure.

Good luck to all the teams!

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We're looking forward to it too!

By my count 7 of the 31 teams (almost 25%) attending have been winners at other event, or are pre-qualified. With that many wild cards, It's very likely that some or all of the finalists at Waterloo will also be invited to champs.

(As a low-goal-specialist team member, I'm also a little awed by the number of competent, accurate high goal shooters in attendance :)

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I actually count 8!

148 - Original Team, Winners at TXSA, TXDA
1114 - Hall of Fame, Wildcard as Finalist at ONTO
1241 - Wildcard as Finalist at ONTO, EI at ONTO, Winner at ONNB, Chairman's at ONNB
2056 - Winner at ONTO
3683 - Winner at ONTO2
4039 - Winner at OHCL
4525 - Chairman's at ONTO
5406 - Winner at PACA

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I'm a bit bummed I won't be able to watch this event live. However, if 2056's performance at GTR-E was representative of how they will perform at Waterloo, they will probably continue the streak. I'm really hoping that 1114 and 2056 get together after what happened at GTR-E. I'll be keeping in the loop and try to catch as many matches as I can.

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Waterloo is going to be fun to watch !

Add more robot photos if you have them.
https://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2016onwa

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Q1 was 142 by red, and Q2 started with a team going through a Class C in Auto and taking a high shot. This will be a crazy regional.

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Wow, 1114 managed to push their partner who was sitting dead on the field up the batter for a capture in Q8. Very impressive driving.

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they are running close to a 40% capture rate !

Most events average less than a 10% capture rate.

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148's schedule is brutal. They have to play 1114 three times, 1241 twice, 2056 twice, and 610 once.

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Match 15 was insane, 139 - 165. You can find at 1:38:30 on the livestream.

That sounds fairly average IMO, there are only 31 teams playing ~12 matches. Match schedules tend to be pretty insane at Waterloo.

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I've updated the remaining waterloo robots pictures on TBA.
http://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2016onwa#teams

Some of the pictures are grainy webcast screenshots. If someone has higher quality photos, please add the media to TBA.

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In Qual 33, 1114, 2056 and 2702 put up 190 points in quals, with no penalties. In playoffs, it would have been 235 points. The match featured:

60 points from auto - 3 crosses and 3 high goals
14 high goals
2 scales as part of the capture
Class C (drawbridge) completely ignored.

Prediction: Waterloo is a deeper field that at least half of the Sub-Divisions, even though it has less than half the teams.

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This depends on your definition of "deep". There's great teams for sure, but once you get to the second round the firepower goes waayyyyy down. Typically that doesn't happen as much in "deep" events

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The firepower goes down in some championship sub divisions as well. His point was the amount of elite/upper tier bots at this regional are high and compared to some championship divisions, waterloo may have more elite/upper tier bots I think. Obviously you can't compare a regional with 30 robots and a championship division with 75 robots fairly, there will be differences such as what you mentioned with 2nd picks.

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Anyone know if matches are already archived anywhere?

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I mean that's true, but I would describe Waterloo as "top heavy". My point was more that the teams second and third picks in any subdivision are more competitive than the second picks at waterloo

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Not yet.

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The other thing is that there are teams in that second tier of teams, like 865, that would be a high seed and have a very good shot of putting together a competitive alliance at a lot of weaker events with less elite machines.

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This has been a very peculiar Semifinals.

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Agreed. The last couple seconds of SF 2-1 were kind of horrifying though.
Those alliances were insanely well-balanced though. 2-2 should be extremely fun to watch.

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What is going on? The semis seem very exciting. Can someone explain why the top 2 alliances have struggled so far in semis?

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Well, in SF1-1, 1114 went from Simbotic to Simdead for basically the match.
In SF2-1, 5032 punted 148 off the bar, basically costing them the match.

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Costing them the match seems a little misleading -- if 5032 had made it onto the batter without knocking down 148 and securing the capture, their score would have been 45 points higher, whereas the game margin was 50 -- but certainly devastating nonetheless.

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Aaaaaand now the comebacks, as alliances 1 & 2 win their respective semi-2 matches. Down to the wire in both of them, 2.

WATER WATER WATER!

Edit: Oh God, Karthik is kicking the walls again...

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GAME GAME GAME!

Whoops. I think I did it wrong.

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Oh boy.

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Anyone know why 1114 keeps losing coms?

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I'd guess that it probably has something to do with the robot radio.

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And the streak holds on for one more match!

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Oh no, the streak is over.

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And there the streak ends.

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This is not happening :ahh:

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It is that something I want to know.

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Congratulations to 2056 for maintaining such an incredible streak for this long. Here's hoping you get your championship win this year.

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:eek: awesome job 1241, 610 and 3560! Thats one of the best, if not THE best alliances in history to beat.

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This is the first year since 2004 Simbotics has not won a regional. 2004 was their rookie season. I think that that is an more significant streak than 2056's win streak being broken.

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1114 has lost other regionals since then, such as 2007 GLR, 2009 Midwest, 2012 GTRW, and 2014 GTRE.

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2003 was their rookie year, actually. That's an impressive streak that has also sadly come to an end. 1114 iterates as well as anyone so I fully expect them to be firing on all cylinders come Champs.

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He was referring to the whole year. This is the first year 1114 hasn't won a regional at all.

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"This is the first year since 2004 Simbotics has not won a regional" is not semantically equivalent to "This is the first year since 2004 Simbotics has lost a regional"

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Definitely didn't read that the way the poster intended. I pretty much replaced "not won" with "lost", which I believe is a valid interpretation of the words. Of course, what the poster intended to say is "This is the first year since 2004 in which 1114 did not win any of the regionals they attended", which I understand now.

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Many congratulations to 5912 for Rookie All Star, to 1241 for Engineering Inspiration, and most of all to 2056 for their Regional Chairman's Award.

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2056 just won chairmans. The blue banner streak is still continuing at least!

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What Wildcards were given out? I feel like there should be quite a few, but they're not listed on TBA.

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None. All the teams in the finals had already earned a CMP bid (5912 was rookie All-Star).

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Huh. I was told by a ton of different people that Wild Cards now fell past the finalist alliance if there were enough Wild Cards starting this year, but I just looked it up and you're correct. That's unfortunate that those slots got wasted, and some of the awesome teams that would have qualified aren't.

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Yeah I kinda cringe sometimes when wildcard slots are wasted. I hope FIRST adjusts those rules to maybe hand them down to the highest semi-finalist alliance captain on the highest seed maybe if there are excess? Just an idea, but I'd like the rule change. I mean it doesn't happen often, but when it does it makes me cringe a bit.

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Congratulations to team 610 and their alliance partners for a great win. Well deserved by one of my favourite FRC teams. Mr. Lim great job with your unconventional strategy. I didn't get to see the match but it sounds like it paid off. You were right on the money! I look forward to the opportunity to learn more about great strategy from you guys.

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What does this mean for Simbotics. They didn't win either regional they went to and it seems like they didn't win a blue banner that would provide them a trip to the championship event. Does this mean they won't be attending the competition at St. Louis or did they win a wildcard spot?

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1114 is a Hall of Fame team and is therefore permanently eligible for the Championship.

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1114 doesn't have to win regionals to go to champs. They are a HOF team now.

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Additionally they would have earned a wildcard at GTRE from 118 winning champs last year (skip over 1241 winning EI), or at Waterloo from 124 from their 2xEI, RCA, and RW so far this season(!!!!!).

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Part of FIRST's plan to push for an area to go to districts?

I completely agree however. How we could implement it fairly I'm unsure of (for example, who gets the second semi-finalist wildcard, the other alliance captain or the first pick of the higher seeded alliance?), but there should be a way to ensure that each regional send as many deserving teams as it can to championship.

Congrats to 1241, 610, and 3560 on an incredible run through the tournament. You executed your strategy incredibly well, and the blue banners are more than deserved.

2056 set a record that will be never broken. Congratulations on a decade of pure excellence. Good luck at Windsor next week!

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Photos from the event:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1150573021674416.1073741894.125661567498905 &type=1&l=c7d68f41e9

Also available on Flickr!
https://flic.kr/s/aHskxWszGp

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Karthik hitting the player station harder than a rookie in autonomous. :cool: