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dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 12:49

8020 fastener question
 
Best bracket or gusset for attaching two 1x1 60 inch pieces of 8020 together? Needs to be really strong and sturdy, and i need one of the 4 sides to be bracket/gusset free.

Sperkowsky 14-02-2016 12:56

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Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz (Post 1540112)
Best bracket or gusset for attaching two 1x1 60 inch pieces of 8020 together? Needs to be really strong and sturdy, and i need one of the 4 sides to be bracket/gusset free.

Well how are u attaching it. You are going to have to use 90 degree or t gussets and corner supports.

dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 13:07

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1540120)
Well how are u attaching it. You are going to have to use 90 degree or t gussets and corner supports.

What i was hoping for was a c channel type of bracket that can attaches to the two pieces of 80 20 on three sides. Something like the vex versaframe c channel link . But obviously the versaframe c channel isn't wide/big enough to fit the 8020. So do you know of any such bracket?

Richard Wallace 14-02-2016 13:25

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
Are you making a ten foot span? Will it be oriented horizontally or vertically?

dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 13:26

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
both. im going to have some pieces vertical. and some pieces horizontal. but yes each piece is a 10 foot span.

Richard Wallace 14-02-2016 13:57

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Would a heel-and-toe joint work?

dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 13:58

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1540148)
Would a heel-and-toe joint work?

can you give me a link to one?

Richard Wallace 14-02-2016 14:01

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz (Post 1540149)
can you give me a link to one?

Can you open the attached pdf in my last post?

dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 14:03

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1540151)
Can you open the attached pdf in my last post?

I think i kind of understand, but I'm having a little trouble visualizing. Will this method put a gusset (of any kind) on all 4 sides?

GeeTwo 14-02-2016 14:04

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
Start with a hanger bolt threaded into both pieces. Then use mending plates on each side that you can fit it. A piece of 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" x 1/8" c-channel would make a great gusset for this. We used this size c-channel on our 2013 robot, and I believe it's the size of the old c-channel kit chassis.

Richard Wallace 14-02-2016 14:05

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz (Post 1540153)
I think i kind of understand, but I'm having a little trouble visualizing. Will this method put a gusset (of any kind) on all 4 sides?

The bottom side in my sketch (opposite the "toe") will be free of gussets. I am assuming you need to put something in that slot, correct?

dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 14:14

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1540154)
Start with a hanger bolt threaded into both pieces. Then use mending plates on each side that you can fit it. A piece of 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" x 1/8" c-channel would make a great gusset for this. We used this size c-channel on our 2013 robot, and I believe it's the size of the old c-channel kit chassis.

SOunds perfect. Where can i find a c channel that size? andy mark and vex dont have those sizes... do you know of another website?

dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 14:15

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1540155)
The bottom side in my sketch (opposite the "toe") will be free of gussets. I am assuming you need to put something in that slot, correct?

yup

Fusion_Clint 14-02-2016 15:03

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
You can get about anything from McmasterCarr

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-al...nnels/=114hx84

With their normal shipping I get things in 2 days over here in Gulfport. Order it today and you will have it by Wednesday at the latest.

dirtbikerxz 14-02-2016 15:56

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by Fusion_Clint (Post 1540182)
You can get about anything from McmasterCarr

http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-al...nnels/=114hx84

With their normal shipping I get things in 2 days over here in Gulfport. Order it today and you will have it by Wednesday at the latest.

Thank you so much sir.

GeeTwo 15-02-2016 01:03

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz (Post 1540157)
SOunds perfect. Where can i find a c channel that size? andy mark and vex dont have those sizes... do you know of another website?

We procured this locally at Bayou Steel, but it also seems to be available at OnlineMetals.com.

DaveL 15-02-2016 06:46

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
80/20 has a nice catalog. You might find a connector specifically made to do what you want. Just a note; they have American and metric sizes which can cause problem if you try to mix.

Side note: previous mentor bought metric bolts. 5 years later, I'm still finding metric bolts and tossing them out to prevent them from destroying our American sized nuts.
Dave

dirtbikerxz 15-02-2016 07:24

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveL (Post 1540464)
80/20 has a nice catalog. You might find a connector specifically made to do what you want. Just a note; they have American and metric sizes which can cause problem if you try to mix.

Side note: previous mentor bought metric bolts. 5 years later, I'm still finding metric bolts and tossing them out to prevent them from destroying our American sized nuts.
Dave

i know 8020 has those brackets, but for what we are doing, it would be over 200 dollars in brackets, or just 40 dollars in the c-channel gusset. We don't have much money.

dirtbikerxz 15-02-2016 11:42

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1540437)
We procured this locally at Bayou Steel, but it also seems to be available at OnlineMetals.com.

Stroke of good luck, turns out we do have c-channel of that size in the workshop.
Question is, do you know how long each strip of channel should be to join the two 5 foot 1x1 8020, and keep it stable. It won't have too much stress on it, we are basically using this as our pit frame. I was imagining that we use 6 inches of channel per joint. 3 inches on each strip of 8020, is that enough?

GeeTwo 15-02-2016 12:25

Re: 8020 fastener question
 
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Originally Posted by dirtbikerxz (Post 1540584)
Stroke of good luck, turns out we do have c-channel of that size in the workshop.
Question is, do you know how long each strip of channel should be to join the two 5 foot 1x1 8020, and keep it stable. It won't have too much stress on it, we are basically using this as our pit frame. I was imagining that we use 6 inches of channel per joint. 3 inches on each strip of 8020, is that enough?

That sounds like a good place to start. Try building one and testing it with loads and collisions about two or three times what you expect and see how it holds up. Threading a dowel screw or hanger bolt into the end of both pieces before putting on the c-channel would also help.


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