Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

Choosing which defenses to do first will boil down to cycle disruption. If the alliance is more efficient at cycling, you want to do the defenses your opponents are least likely to be near so they do not impede you. If the alliance is less efficient at cycling, then you will want to do the defenses your opponents are close to in order to impede their cycles.

Choosing where to put your defenses can help or hinder this, but I don't know which until after the first couple of weeks. If you put the defenses that have the hardest time with close to where you are more likely to be, the other alliance may choose to ignore it, or they may attempt it and take so long they're in your way. On the other hand, if you put their most efficient defenses where you're likely to be, they may damage that defense early and then spend the rest of their time elsewhere, leaving you alone. In elims I think this will be all opportunistic. Yet none of this logic is possible without scouting.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

One robot1 pushes the door down from the back, lets robot2 onto door. Robot1 drives of the door into the neutral zone then back onto the door. Robot1 and robot2 cross into the courtyard.

Defense damaged. No manipulator.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

You assume that the refs will be able to watch closely enough to have that count every time. While I have great faith in our ref crews, they aren't Heimdall.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

Two could certainly do it by themselves w/o some sort of manipulator.

Take the drawbridge for example.

Robot A on its way back from scoring a boulder or damaging/weakening another defense returns to the courtyard via the drawbridge. On the way out the take a 90 degree turn that leaves their right rear wheel on the bridge.

Robot B then approaches the bridge from the other side and places its right front wheel on it.

Robot A then proceeds off of the bridge while robot B starts its crossing.

Robot B stops when it is still holding the bridge down while Robot A having broken contact with the defense then continues through behind Robot B.

Personally I don't think that is the best way to go as I would want to carry a boulder on each crossing.

Also having robot C, hopefully with possession of a boulder, being ready to follow Robot B would probably be quicker than the maneuvering required of robot A who would likely not have a boulder yet.

I also believe that the Sally Port and Drawbridge are top choices for returning from the courtyard and thus will provide enough opportunity to allow holding the door on two separate trips so the robot that has the door held for them always has a boulder.

However with time running out and fully damaging the Drawbridge or Sally Port is all that is required to finish the breach (and maybe with one robot down) then that may be the way to go.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

What's to watch? As long as you make it perfectly clear that you are not touching the door anymore it's not hard to see. Especially if someone else is holding the door down.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

Now this strategy is something I could see the refs handling reliably during a match.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

My bad, I miss read your post the first time and thought you were talking about the door bump method.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

The spin move on the Sally Port will become more obvious as the refs know to look for it. It will be pretty obvious for whether the robot was fully contained in the NEUTRAL ZONE before re-contacting the door at the end of the spin - unless the robot is super close to the ramp on the defense.

The release-and-grab on the drawbridge will become more obvious as refs know which robots try to use that method. Yet the hard part will be determining if the robot is fully contained in the NEUTRAL ZONE when the door is released unless the manipulator is just right.

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

I think it really depends on what you and your alliance members are able to do

Re: Fully breach multiple defenses or cross all defenses first?
 

Absolutely, the defenses on the field and the abilities of the members on the alliance will have to be considered when determining the best way to attach the defenses.

In general you want each robot to attach the defense they are most proficient at until it is fully damaged, with the exception of slipping in the "hold the door on your way out" strategy on the C defense when the timing is best.

So you might see then go something like this.

A, B, LB, C, LB, B, C, A and then each robot take the most opportune path at that time for them, unless one or more of them is as quick as or nearly as quick at at D, in which case you might as well get those points.