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Jessica L. 12-09-2002 21:16

thanks for trying miss tree...i believe several of us have.
and thanks to you sanddrag and weedie and jon. such an innocent post...

and by the way gang...i enjoyed my moment of silence. in fact i had several of them yesterday.

you should try it. its good for the soul.
peace out
b

robomama 12-09-2002 21:19

SORRY JESSICA!!
 
that was me on the last post...i forgot jess was signed in instead of me!!
peace out
robomama

Bill Gold 12-09-2002 21:21

Miss Tree:
Don't get me wrong. I'm very interested in politics... the good and the bad. I've had this facination for quite a few years (although I'm only 19). I have been and still am seriously considering pursuing a career related to politics. But just by looking at the voter turnout, or lack thereof, it's painfully obvious that people don't care about how our country is being run as much as they should. I would be very happy with my life if I could spend it in public service, but I could say the same about other professions as well. By no means is the future doomed, it's just going to continue to be tough. I see myself as part of "the change", and I hope I feel the same way years from now.

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As for the direction of this thread... I've found over the years that most threads, but more often in this "Chit-Chat" forum are written in a Stream of Conciousness style. There's practicly no getting around it. In most cases, the thread starter has no control over narrowing the discussion. I mean no offense by this.
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Amber H. 12-09-2002 21:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Gold
Miss Tree:
Don't get me wrong. I'm very interested in politics... the good and the bad. I've had this facination for quite a few years (although I'm only 19). I have been and still am seriously considering pursuing a career related to politics. But just by looking at the voter turnout, or lack thereof, it's painfully obvious that people don't care about how our country is being run as much as they should. I would be very happy with my life if I could spend it in public service, but I could say the same about other professions as well. By no means is the future doomed, it's just going to continue to be tough. I see myself as part of "the change", and I hope I feel the same way years from now.

I hope you do too. I hope all who have posted here will.

FIRSTnut_000 13-09-2002 15:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Miss Tree
Too true......But there is hope.

I had a friend that often repeated the phrase, "Be the change."
What he meant was, that if you wanted to see a change in society, start by being an example yourself, like Mr Krass.

Be strong. don't give up. We need you.

That's what I like about America: we can change it. Not a lot of countrys can the average person like one of us have the power to change their country. Remember people, voting is the most supreme form of authority. Use it, because if you don't, you can't complain. Or get into the government itself and make yourself heard. Whichever you prefer, I guess.

E. The Kidd 14-09-2002 02:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Jessica L.
thanks for trying miss tree...i believe several of us have.
and thanks to you sanddrag and weedie and jon. such an innocent post...

and by the way gang...i enjoyed my moment of silence. in fact i had several of them yesterday.

you should try it. its good for the soul.
peace out
b

I disagree...after this past year I felt nothing during those moments of silence. The week after it happened the city was changed (people were nice and courteous not to mention it was a slower pace and more quiet then usual). However, after this past year the date has been mocked for everything it stood for, and its true meaning has been lost for me. Between the racial profiling and the people claiming to have lost family members so that they may claim the aid money the date that brought this city together for a week, has also torn apart people's morals.

So the question is what does it stand for now? Does it really stand for the people who lost their lives, or does it stand for the evils of American society...greed and prejudice? I guess the saddest thing of all is that the ceremony at Yankee Stadium made more sense to me then all of these flag waving idiots who curse at the Arabs in "this great city" calling them terrorists, and telling them to go home observing moments of silence.

I've had it, I’m tired of the media reminding me of everything that could and has gone wrong. I live almost everyday in fear of people attacking the subway system I use because the news keeps warning me against it. I hear news casters detailing how to effectively attack the likely targets of terror (the New York Times earlier this year released a diagram of a nuclear power plant and where a plane would have to strike in order to produce the greatest number of casualties). I'm starting to believe the media is my worst enemy (keep in mind the government had a track on Osama's satellite phone ‘till the media told the American public).

Living in a city with 20 million other people ain't easy as it is. However, I refuse to drop out of school because of the subway situation. I will continue flying and I won't stop because some one wants my @#$!$@#$!$@#$!$@#$!$ plane. Finally, I refuse to interrupt my hectic everyday life because some people see it wise to sacrifice themselves for a leader that they've most likely never seen face to face.
-Evan

p.s.
Jim please don't rip my language apart because I'm really tired right now...it's 2 am...I'll edit it when i'm awake

robomama 14-09-2002 10:29

sorry the silence doesn't do it for you. everyone has their own way of reacting to and feeling about anything. things can have a completely different impact on any one person. personally, my faith keeps me peaceful. i wish everyone could find that which gives them peace, whether it be a faith like mine or something else. this might be the solution to the anger and fear that i am seeing expressed when i read many of the posts on this thread and possibly lead to that seemingly elusive world peace i so long for.

mtaman02 14-09-2002 21:21

September 11,2001
 
After the first plane hit. It was thought as an accident a terrible accident. Then the second plane hit. After 2 planes stuck the 2 mightiest towers in the US it was then taken as Terrorist attacks. Then the 3rd plane struck the pentagon. And just when we thought it was all over, a fourth. Luckily though the 4th. (not to be mean) crashed in a field and not another important place of business / tourist attraction. Yes people died on that flight but out of all the planes that crashed this one was the one filled with heroes in which attempted to take over the plane from the terrorists. Realizing that if they took over the plane they'd crash and probably die or to leave it in terrorist hands and die. They all agreed that they would die trying to bring the plane down anyway they can so that it couldn't hurt anymore people.

Sept 11, 2001 taught us all a valueable lesson. It brought us all together. Even other countries felt our pain and sorrow and offered their assistance in finding the person responsible. All it takes is a tragedy like this to bring together millions if not billions of people together. I am hoping other countries will not have to face the major tragedies that we had to face. This day I personally will not forget due to the fact I witnessed the planes in which hit WTC. I witnessed the fall of the towers and I remember exactly where I was what I was doing:

3rd period bell rang for start of class. about 15 minutes in after the pledge rumors started flying that a plane struck the towers. About 20 minuites after the teacher sent me to the school roof to take Digital photos of the city and what was going on. As I started snapping pics the 2nd plane hit the WTC. Got back to my classroom and called my father from a friends cell phone. All he could say was that to planes struck the towers in an act of terrorism. Just as I go off the phone Rumors were flying that another plane went down in Washington DC. and just when those rumors got confirmed another plane went down in PA. about 2 hrs later police swarmed my HS evacuated it by releasing all students into the hands of guardians or parents. from there the school was transformed into a relief center for the surviving victims for those in or around the WTC area. the Manhattan Ferry was closed to the public and was used to transport injured/ Medical supplies / the Military / and the Police and Fire Dept. The Verrazano Bridge the tunnels and other bridges in the five borough area were closed to the public in fear of more attacks and were used for emergency vehicles The waters swarmed with Tug Boats and smaller ferry businesses carrying victims back to staten island. Everything stopped that day. The streets quiet. The sound of Fighter Jets in the sky doing patrols. For the next couple of weeks everyone at various ages concentrated on the rescue operation and lent a hand anyway they could. Kids making pitures. Teenagers and Young adults volunteering at the shelters and schools. The Older adults at Ground Zero helping the rescue efforts and relieving the tired who have been there for days straight w/ no sleep. All i could do was to sit back in shock. And saying this has got to be a dream. For the next couple of days and for the rest of our lives Everyone in this country became a new yorker and a true american including i. i still have flash backs of that day and will continue to have them b/c i don't want to forget what happened on that day. stupid reason for holding flashbacks? maybe but thats how i remember those lost on 9/11/01. i didn't mention anything about the fall of the towers b/c whats to say, it killed thousands and it pains me to much to say what i saw. stuyvesant HS was the most effected since it was a couple of blocks away let alone other schools and businesses. Well I have no more to add but.... I would like to read what u were doing at the time of the attacks. Since I no it was hard for me to forget but forever etched in my mind and will stay there for the remainder of my life !!!!!

Joe Matt 14-09-2002 21:41

Quote:

Originally posted by team 713


I disagree...after this past year I felt nothing during those moments of silence. The week after it happened the city was changed (people were nice and courteous not to mention it was a slower pace and more quiet then usual). However, after this past year the date has been mocked for everything it stood for, and its true meaning has been lost for me. Between the racial profiling and the people claiming to have lost family members so that they may claim the aid money the date that brought this city together for a week, has also torn apart people's morals.

So the question is what does it stand for now? Does it really stand for the people who lost their lives, or does it stand for the evils of American society...greed and prejudice? I guess the saddest thing of all is that the ceremony at Yankee Stadium made more sense to me then all of these flag waving idiots who curse at the Arabs in "this great city" calling them terrorists, and telling them to go home observing moments of silence.

I've had it, I’m tired of the media reminding me of everything that could and has gone wrong. I live almost everyday in fear of people attacking the subway system I use because the news keeps warning me against it. I hear news casters detailing how to effectively attack the likely targets of terror (the New York Times earlier this year released a diagram of a nuclear power plant and where a plane would have to strike in order to produce the greatest number of casualties). I'm starting to believe the media is my worst enemy (keep in mind the government had a track on Osama's satellite phone ‘till the media told the American public).

Living in a city with 20 million other people ain't easy as it is. However, I refuse to drop out of school because of the subway situation. I will continue flying and I won't stop because some one wants my @#$!$@#$!$@#$!$@#$!$ plane. Finally, I refuse to interrupt my hectic everyday life because some people see it wise to sacrifice themselves for a leader that they've most likely never seen face to face.
-Evan

p.s.
Jim please don't rip my language apart because I'm really tired right now...it's 2 am...I'll edit it when i'm awake

Right on the money. I have vigerously followed the news the first 2 months, to the point of near colapes. And needless to say, I have almost caused myself a nevous breakdown. The media is too my worst enemie. I flip on TLC or something else than the news when cooking lunch. I go to CD and other sights rather than CNN.COM and see what the hell is going on.

When we had the moment of silence and pledge of alegence and "God Bless America" played over the announcements, I almost died of drowing. The same place where we can express our ideas freely is creating a place where we have became fanatical and obsessed like terrorists to destroy and persercute innocent civilians. I see Arabs walking down the street hanging their heads down because at leat 40 billion people will think they will blow up thier work because the news said this and that.

I'm fed up. Give me a break.

I'm outta here. And boy, did I like it better when we didn't have a flag everywhere and when you say Islam you thought peacefull people praying in the direction of Mecca rather than the video coverage of terrorisits running and shooting in the desert.

God Bless The USA.

MBiddy 15-09-2002 00:39

40 billion? Great googily moogily the US population has grown since the last time I checked! By 37.7 billion! WOW!

I thought it was weird that my school passes out temporary tatoos of peace symbols with an american flag designs and hearts and firecrackers that said on the back MADE IN TAIWAN.

E. The Kidd 15-09-2002 01:30

Quote:

Originally posted by MBiddy
40 billion? Great googily moogily the US population has grown since the last time I checked! By 37.7 billion! WOW!

I thought it was weird that my school passes out temporary tatoos of peace symbols with an american flag designs and hearts and firecrackers that said on the back MADE IN TAIWAN.

How about "Made In China"? I thought America hated communists. Remember that lil thing called the Cold War?

Better yet the war on drugs. Geogre W. Bush was a crack addict. Who says drugs are bad?:rolleyes:

FotoPlasma 15-09-2002 01:47

Quote:

Originally posted by team 713
Better yet the war on drugs. Geogre W. Bush was a crack addict. Who says drugs are bad?:rolleyes:
Actually, I think he did coke. There's a difference between coke and crack.

Quote:

Stolen from crack cocaine

Pure freebased cocaine requires the use of flammable solvents, and thus is more dangerous and difficult to produce. Instead, to produce crack, powdered cocaine is mixed with sodium bicarbonate (better known as baking soda) and water and boiled until a solid substance separates from the boiling mixture. This substance is removed and allowed to dry, and then broken up into chunks, or "rocks."

One gram of powdered cocaine will typically convert to about 0.89 grams of crack cocaine. The Drug Enforcement Agency (ie take this number with some doubt) estimates that crack cocaine is about 75% to 90% pure cocaine.

Crack cocaine is a form of cocaine that is smoked in a glass pipe. Because the cocaine is immediately absorbed into the blood through the lungs, this creates an incredibly fast high.

Powdered cocaine was the drug of choice for rich white people, in the 70's, but more so in the 80's. I find it rather difficult to imagine that George W. Bush smoked crack or freebase, but I have no doubts that he did at least a few lines, back in the day.

As for the "War on Drugs", I am of the opinion that this isn't a war that'll be won by anyone, ever...

E. The Kidd 15-09-2002 01:57

Quote:

Originally posted by FotoPlasma
As for the "War on Drugs", I am of the opinion that this isn't a war that'll be won by anyone, ever...
I'll give you 2 to 1 odds the war on drugs will be won before the war on terror

FotoPlasma 15-09-2002 02:17

Quote:

Originally posted by team 713
I'll give you 2 to 1 odds the war on drugs will be won before the war on terror
Considering that I don't think either will ever be "won"... hmm...

FIRSTnut_000 15-09-2002 16:15

Considering that we are statring to become no better than the terrorists...


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