Chief Delphi - Low Bar Flap

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Re: Low Bar Flap

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Originally Posted by Captain_Kirch (Post 1543914)

G40 "A ROBOT may not cause a BOULDER to move from the NEUTRAL ZONE into the opponent’s COURTYARD unless:
A. the ROBOT contacts the BOULDER within OUTER WORKS, and
B. the ROBOT completes its CROSSING (e.g. doesn’t completely back out of the OUTER WORKS into the NEUTRAL ZONE)
Violation: TECH FOUL per BOULDER"

Using the human player in that way would clearly be illegal under G40. No precedent, no gray area, it's illegal.

The bar wont flip over and get tangled because its a bar in sleeve design on the official fields.

G40-1 is not the rule that makes this illegal, it's an extension of the rule that makes this illegal.

Hopefully that puts a nice bow on this discussion. Good luck folks :)

Actually, it doesn't.

What part of G40 references a Human Player causing the Boulder to move into the opponents' Courtyard?

Right. It doesn't. You quoted it yourself. The premise is faulty, and the entire logical argument falls apart.

That being said, we only had one low bar flap get stuck out here, and that one had it's pipe slide out on the Neutral Zone side.

Re: Low Bar Flap

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Originally Posted by Captain_Kirch (Post 1543914)

Correct that the bar shouldn't get stuck, (We hope as that could mess with some bots' tight tolerances fitting under it) however rule G40 does not affect the legality of this situation unless the robot was being more involved in the moving the ball from the neutral zone to the courtyard. The human player is not considered A or Part of the "Robot", and as the human player is the only one in this case making it transfer from the neutral zone to the courtyard G40 would not be called. However I do know that there have been many threads that mention Q & A on this sort of area and I believe that the one that references the intent to disable a defense would possibly be called into question on this, but we can probably bank on the design on this one being such that on the field it just natural spins around the bar and falls back into place (Many in week 0 may have been attached to the bar)

Re: Low Bar Flap

When I was watching the Merrimack replays, I noticed that it would do a flip and end up back in its original position.

Re: Low Bar Flap

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Originally Posted by maxnz (Post 1544173)

When I was watching the Merrimack replays, I noticed that it would do a flip and end up back in its original position.

Also at week zero, the ball passed through to the opponents courtyard by pure coincidence.

See the near side of the field:

https://youtu.be/l8m6J7kh25Q?t=38