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plnyyanks 29-02-2016 17:26

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by Citrus Dad (Post 1549048)
It's on the webpage, but not the app.

We'll add Insights into TBA for Android Soon™. Not sure on a more specific timeline, but it's on our radar.

Dezion 29-02-2016 17:29

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes (Post 1549171)
This is not a legal strategy, see G40.

True. Halfstopping wouldn't be a legal cross. Although an "assist bot" could run this strategy completly crossing the defense.

"Assist bot strategy" would be very effective with an accurate high shooter. The high shooter could, in theory, sit in one spot, scoring high goals with boulders from an assist bot. This would get the tower down quickly, allowing for a capture. The third robot would have to be effective at damaging at least three categories of defense quickly, so the alliance will earn the RP (or points) from the breach.

BotDesigner 29-02-2016 17:34

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by Dezion (Post 1549180)
True. Halfstopping wouldn't be a legal cross. Although an "assist bot" could run this strategy completly crossing the defense.

"Assist bot strategy" would be very effective with an accurate high shooter. The high shooter could, in theory, sit in one spot, scoring high goals with boulders from an assist bot. This would get the tower down quickly, allowing for a capture. The third robot would have to be effective at damaging at least three categories of defense quickly, so the alliance will earn the RP (or points) from the breach.

Going against an alliance running this strategy would be a defensive robot's dream.:eek:

XaulZan11 29-02-2016 17:37

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Originally Posted by BotDesigner (Post 1549182)
Going against an alliance running this strategy would be a defensive robot's dream.:eek:

I thought this at first, but I'm not sure it is the case. If the shooter sits on the batter, the defender has to get out of the way and let the feeder pass the shooter the ball or get called for pinning. The defender would slow the process down if they timed their pins perfectly, but it couldn't shut the opponent down.

Rangel(kf7fdb) 29-02-2016 17:38

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by BotDesigner (Post 1549182)
Going against an alliance running this strategy would be a defensive robot's dream.:eek:

Not if the high goal shooter is firing unblockable shots from the outerworks. Granted if they are that good they don't really need to sit in one place necessarily. Especially if they have unblockable vision targeting as well.

Doug Frisk 29-02-2016 17:42

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Originally Posted by mac (Post 1548905)
Woo Gus. Don't use hot glue. Use duct seal. It can be reused and removed. I like all your post. Your into this stuff. Try to come to the east coast some time.

Will duct seal hold in place as a robot bounces around the field? I've only ever used it in stationary applications.

MARS_James 29-02-2016 17:48

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Originally Posted by marshall (Post 1549068)
Because no one understands how important defense is yet... trust me, it will change.

I wouldn't say no one, obviously we knew we needed a defender and so did the number 2 seed when they got 4533

wireties 29-02-2016 18:01

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1549191)
I wouldn't say no one, obviously we knew we needed a defender and so did the number 2 seed when they got 4533

QFT - 1296 thought elims were gonna be very different than quals with the defense role a key factor. For a short while we considered making an uber-defense bot (with some autonomous and end game scoring features) the second pick.

anishde 29-02-2016 19:32

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by Dezion (Post 1549180)
True. Halfstopping wouldn't be a legal cross. Although an "assist bot" could run this strategy completly crossing the defense.

"Assist bot strategy" would be very effective with an accurate high shooter. The high shooter could, in theory, sit in one spot, scoring high goals with boulders from an assist bot. This would get the tower down quickly, allowing for a capture. The third robot would have to be effective at damaging at least three categories of defense quickly, so the alliance will earn the RP (or points) from the breach.

This combination has the potential to be deadly, if used properly. Some alliances at Palmetto attempted to employ it, but not completely successfully since the robot that was supposed to be assisting ended up shooting the ball themselves.

CalTran 29-02-2016 19:38

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Originally Posted by anishde (Post 1549235)
This combination has the potential to be deadly, if used properly. Some alliances at Palmetto attempted to employ it, but not completely successfully since the robot that was supposed to be assisting ended up shooting the ball themselves.

I'm thinking if it's executed much in the same way Bomb Squad did in 2012 with a 25/180 esque shooter, it's phenomenal.

GeeTwo 29-02-2016 23:07

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Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1549186)
Will duct seal hold in place as a robot bounces around the field? I've only ever used it in stationary applications.

Wondering the same thing. I haven't used it, but Isaac, another 3946 mentor, has, and he though it was rather too stiff and not adhesive enough for small wires (we're only considering this for "friction" connectors like the 0.1" Dupont style/header connectors). There do seem to be several different products sold as "duct seal", so maybe he's familiar with something else. Would you be more specific, mac?

OBTW, we were planning to use the low temperature setting on our hot glue gun, which produces a much more viscous stream (more like caulk) than the high setting (thinner than syrup). It isn't readily reusable, but we haven't had any problems peeling it from plastic or metal surfaces, or even smooth papers or cardboard.

fargus111111111 01-03-2016 06:50

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Some things that I noticed as a driver at Palmetto were that
1. Line of sight is horrible especially for short robots
2. Low goal shots are severely underappreciated, a fast low goal shooter could easily defeat the tower.
3. Especially in playoff rounds defeating the tower is vey important, possibly more so than defense against the other shooters.
4. Spies can be very helpful, if you learn how to use them.
5. Hanging is not really that hard and a hanger can possibly be cheesecaked.
6. At minimum teams should get and stay on the batter at the end of a match, any robot can stay up if they drive it up in such a way that it won't roll of, like up and turn or up and slowly let it come to rest on the lip.
7. Possibly the most amazing thing all week was that this game can be played with mechanum wheels.

ToddF 01-03-2016 07:44

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by fargus111111111 (Post 1549409)
Some things that I noticed as a driver at Palmetto were that

4. Spies can be very helpful, if you learn how to use them.

Would you mind elaborating on this point? What were your lessons learned? How are they best used?

Ether 01-03-2016 08:59

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by fargus111111111 (Post 1549409)
7. Possibly the most amazing thing all week was that this game can be played with mechanum wheels.

http://youtu.be/LlSoEfAW47I?t=3m33s



mac 01-03-2016 11:28

Re: Real vs. Theory, Week 0.5
 
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Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1549186)
Will duct seal hold in place as a robot bounces around the field? I've only ever used it in stationary applications.

From my 9.5 years of electrical construction yes. Granted after sitting outside for 20 years in the cold it becomes stiff and hard. But with some warmth and a touch of moisture you can work it up. Think of play dough on steroids minus color. It will work right along any wiring terminations. It's quick to use. I would only use enough. Can get a tab sloppy. Thank You Mentor Mac


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