The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Hello all,

This post was meant to be posted yesterday and put on the user announcements tab but, it has not been approved yet so, this will be good for the time being so I am going to keep it short.

The idea - This show will be based around students opinions unlike the other shows where it is primarily mentor run and hosted.

The time - Every Sunday at 8PM est

The way to get involved - If you would like to be a co-host for future episodes please apply with this form.

If you would like to be on today's episode please PM me.

The layout - 1hr long main show, 30 - 45 minute post show
First 5 mins - Co-host intro
Next 45 mins - Main topic
Last 10 minutes - Viewer questions

Up to 3 co-hosts per episode along with myself.

Today's topic - Should Stop Build Day go away?
Next weeks topic - Effective Strategies

Here is the logo for now. This is NOT the final logo. If you are good with graphic design or animation please contact me. (I do not know why BBcode is not working right now)

http://i.imgur.com/H6GMA4p.png?1

So, that's about it. I really need co-hosts for tonight so please PM me. You need to be available at 7PM

Here is the Youtube channel that it will go live on in less then 12 hours!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVd...irbn0f71skmVIA

Thanks everyone for making this possible!

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

link gives a 404 not found

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Should work now. Thanks for telling me.

Also, tonight's show still has up to 2 empty slots so please PM me if you want to be on!

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Hello all,

Just figured I would give you guys an update on the co-list for day

We will have
Anthony C from Team 997 Spartan Robotics and,
Jordan G from Team 1902 Exploding Bacon.

The show will go live at 8PM Est on this channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVd...irbn0f71skmVIA

I hope that there will be no technical issues however, it is an inaugural stream so, no promises.

See everyone then should be fun!

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

We will be live in 10 minutes so stop by!

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Going live right now.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVd...irbn0f71skmVIA

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

What value does this show offer over the mentor run shows?

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

We talked about it a bit on stream but essentially it is just a different Point of view. It is also a lot more relaxed and we are going to use terms that appeal to students more. I also think the inter-activeness of the show with having the option to be on the show is a feature no other FRC show is offering.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Anyway thanks everyone for watching the show. I consider is a sucess. I can not wait for the weeks to come!

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

What does F4 stand for? :confused:

Do you expected that the level of knowledge will be lower, just because students are younger? That said, I love the idea of a student-run FRC show. It would be able to focus on students' unique perspective, like being on drive team, interactions with other students both younger and older, or packing for regionals.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Well I can tell you I personally belive that the students on the show today know more then probably about 50% of mentors and are more engaged in the community then 80% of them.

When I talk about using less sophisticated language I am comparing our show to likes of First Updates Now or Gamesense with extremely good and experienced mentors.

I am glad there is some interest! I personally think today went very well and was very different then the other shows. The archived version will go up Tuesday.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

It's really nice to see the perspectives of students on other teams in a talk show/podcast kind of format. I really like it, and hope to see this continue onward successfully :)

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Missed the live stream, I look forward to watching the archived version on Tuesday!:]

Still... what does F4 stand for?

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Awesome!

Oh btw F4 stands for...... ooops.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

I watched the entire show and I enjoyed it a lot. They did eventually jump off of the planned topic, but imo that's been beaten to death anyway so I didn't mind. I think the best part was the student perspective, and the fact that the hosts were very good about addressing questions and comments, and I did leave a few of my own.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

I have to take exception to this as I believe that many students are just as passionate and knowledgeable as mentors. I believe the right question to ask might be in regards to stage presence of being on camera for the first time (in regards to guests). On FUN we prep our guests very well so they have a general idea what is to come which helps reduce mishaps. Knowing that Sam has a lot of experience doing live streams lends a lot of credibility to him.

I didn't get a chance to watch live, but I look forward to seeing the show later.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

What unique value does this point of view offer?

What does a more relaxed atmosphere get you? The shows you cited are already incredibly laid back.

What is the shows goal, or should I say, your goal with the show?

How does using terms that appeal to students help them learn? I'm assuming this means simple terms.

What makes you qualified to speak on these topics? That is, why should other students listen to you? Some would call this ethos.

Cheers

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

I really enjoyed being on as a co-host. It was great to sit down and have a discussion that was allowed to evolve and move as a regular conversation. Hope that this show continuesome to progress and that I get a chance to co-host again.

The value of a students POV is not quantitative and I personally can not objectively tell you why it is useful. That is simply an opinion.

Our show is more laid back then what others have done. The topic is simply a starting point for more discussion and the chat is used much more. It's less formal and more interactive but, that's an aspect I personally like about live streams in general.

The terms are not necessarily simpler. We definitely will get technical but, for the most part the jargon we use is slightly more geared towards other students. Right now the show is more for discussion and not for learning. In the future we might turn the tables slightly but I am going to play it by year.

And lastly qualifications. Again I have 0 real qualifications. I am the Captain of an FRC team, have over 1,000 posts on Cd, and have some sort of knowledge in every aspect of FRC. People generally respect my opinion and I do get people that personally use me for design and team advice. I don't know if that's the answer you want but it's the best I can do. Maybe I'll become a dean's list finalist and have that to say :).

Thanks for the hard questions

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Could you post the live stream as a video so people can go back and watch it? I for one would be interested to hear other students' point of view on the game, strategy, etc. Great idea though, hope it can grow as the season goes on. It's good to see a change in pace in terms of webcasts.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

To the people taking shots at the kid and his desire to host a show - how about you just don't tune in if you don't think it will be worth your while?

As Tyler said, there's a lot of kids in FRC who do have valuable opinions. We have all been there at some point. Hell, this whole program is built on the idea that kids should be allowed avenues to express their ideas. Why stifle that?

I didn't get a chance to tune in either (Oscar stuff), but will try to check it out next time.

Keep at it!

.

PS - I actually really want to hear from real students about how they feel about things such as bag day and build season length. CD and current shows are flooded with mentor opinions, and often enough, kids can't express how they really feel without criticism. This has the potential to help a lot of people better their own teams.

.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

This. I'll leave it at: MANY of the mentors on here were once students, and our viewpoints have shifted a bit. Sometimes we need to have a student speak up and say "HEY! I'M HERE! This is my thoughts on the matter!"

Did not make it to the show, but if I get some time I might be interested in hearing a recording.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

I'm not sure who you're mad at. I don't think you have to be mad at all. I expressed an honest doubt, got a satisfactory answer, and liked the idea of the show anyways. I can't speak for Dunggeon, but it seems to me that his questions are trying to clarify the what this show is about rather than "take shots" at the host. I don't think anyone is trying to "stifle" this show.

As for Funk McKrunk from Team 420... don't feed the troll.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

For everyone who's asking "why should I watch this show?"...watch the show, then determine for yourself if it's worth watching (Note: I had other things to do tonight and was unable to catch it).

Just because someone is a student doesn't mean their viewpoint isn't valid or well thought out. Just being a mentor doesn't automatically mean it is. All of these shows express opinions, it is up to the viewers to decide if those opinions (and thereby the show) are entertaining and worth listening to.

At GameSense, we specifically don't invite students on as guests because we don't feel comfortable putting students/minors on camera in a live discussion setting. We know that we talk about controversial topics frequently and that the CD/FRC diehard community can be extremely unforgiving at times. I would never want to put a student in a position where a flub on-air results in them being ostracized by the community, but at the same time we recognize that many FRC students are more than qualified to speak about the same subjects.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

I, too, enjoyed having the opportunity to co-host on this startup show. The environment provided by a fully student-led talk show is one that is well-suited for FIRST (or even non FIRST!) participants of any level of immersion. We started off with a general topic, and without a real ability to carry on a conversation on said topic for an hour, drifted off into more general FIRST discussion, while responding to queries and statements made in the comments section. I really hope this idea takes off; a students perspective can be interesting, too! :)

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

^^^

Even after recently jumping from student to mentor, I've seen my views shifted. And I know I'm not the only person to whom this has occurred, which is why I think this show is such an interesting idea. After all, why not hear about the state of the program from the main participants of the program?

Topics similar to this week's broadcast are those which any person who has been a part of the program can answer to a variable extent. 1 year, 2 years, 3 years of experience, each student who joins the show will have an informed opinion.

Students have a voice. And while mentors are definitely important, there's no doubt in my mind that hearing from students can only help. I look forward to watching the archived version and hopefully I can catch the next broadcast.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Wow, I did not know Team 420 moved from Texas, to NH and also resurrected itself after its one and only year in 2000.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Yup, I am going to edit it slightly and post an archived version tomorrow.

Thats the idea. Ill post the recording here tomorrow and encourage you to check it out. :)

Exactly! That is something CD definitely showed me over the time I have been active year. Having students in a comfortable discussion format allows for their opinions to be expressed without any fear.

+1

That's the idea thanks for supporting it!

Again thanks to everyone for the support. There are going to be a lot of trolls but, it is not going to get in the way of the show. See everyone Sunday.

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Nobody is forcing you to watch it. Don't think he has anything of value to say? Don't watch it. God knows this is the approach I've taken to Top25 for years.

Sam, good on you keep it up. Just, uh, try to fact check a little better in the future...

Re: The F4 Show - Brand new Student based weekly webshow
 

Are you saying that CD is not a comfortable place for students to voice their opinions? I'd like to hear more about this and how that could be changed. Maybe you could use that as a topic for a future show.