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Billfred 28-02-2016 18:49

The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
As the first person suckered into drafted for assigned to the Defense Coordinator role, I had a lot of feedback to share with FIRST HQ. Some of it was bugs (as those who follow me on Twitter saw), some of it was just display improvements.

But you know what really gnawed on me after the fifteenth time?

"I'd like the teeter-totter..."
"That one!" (points)
"I'd like the rock wall, the rough terrain..."
"Wait, these aren't the ones we go against?"
"Give me the (whatever the audience selection category is...)"
"We'd like the door."

You've had six weeks, people! The number of times like this at Palmetto was surprising to me, since Palmetto is usually a decent regional. I was able to sort out everyone eventually, but your event may not will not have me working this job! Here are your protips to make the DC at your event happy:
  • Know the defense names! This alone was infuriating. I learned them at the same time you did. There are only eight you're picking from. You have at least a few days. Bone up on this. Make flashcards. You really sound silly (at best) when you make up names. (Free pass on "shuffle the fries", though.)
  • Have your picks ready! The DC screen is organized to take picks from position 2-5, left-to-right. (1 is the Low Bar.) A lot of teams ended up putting, say, category B in 2, C in 4, and D in 5. You don't have to do that at all, but it helps the flow immensely when you can reel them off in order. Most of the teams that were on point here had them written down on a board or tablet or paper. Check with the queuers at your event, but you probably want the alliance's one representative (and please, just one because you totally have your act together, right?) to be at the front of your alliance's line so you can go directly to the DC stand.
  • Don't make us chase you down! Know Section 5.5.10 and the deadlines in play. It will be even easier for DCs in later weeks to call up randoms than it was for me. It gets very hard in playoffs in particular; about half of our randoms for the whole regional were issued there. Have your gameplan ready.
  • Know the audience selection category. It's on your match schedule for a reason. It's okay if you don't know which defense got picked, because you don't pick it anyway. Just know that you will irritate the DC and look pretty foolish if you pick from that category.
  • Understand the printout. I didn't take a picture of one, but the printout is always the defenses that will be on the far side of the field, starting in position 2 (because 1 is the low bar). On practice matches, they will also be the ones you selected. In qualification and playoff matches, they will be what the other alliance selected. Don't overthink this, or you will confuse yourself.
  • When it prints, don't ask for changes. You won't get them, because I've already given the bottom third of the sheet to the field supervisor so he can be ready with that match's defenses to speed up match cycles.

Have fun out there, and take it easy on your DCs. They have a long day!

Sperkowsky 28-02-2016 18:53

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
This is very helpful Bilfred thanks. We made a strategy board for this year where we can lay out defenses and I encourage all other teams do this as well. It only cost us about $20 for the printout at staples as we already had some lexan laying around.

billbo911 28-02-2016 19:17

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Once again, you have provided very sage advice! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

mwtidd 28-02-2016 19:27

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Billfred, quick question about your workflow. When did you enter the audience selected defenses? Before or after the team's selections?

ATannahill 28-02-2016 19:44

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
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Originally Posted by mwtidd (Post 1548650)
Billfred, quick question about your workflow. When did you enter the audience selected defenses? Before or after the team's selections?

Audience selections are made three matches before they will first be used. They are set by the head ref/scorekeeper, the DC doesn't deal with it.

Edit: This is only what I know should happen from scorekeeper training, I don't know what happened at Palmetto.

Billfred 28-02-2016 19:50

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mwtidd (Post 1548650)
Billfred, quick question about your workflow. When did you enter the audience selected defenses? Before or after the team's selections?

Audience selection is done by the scoring table, and I have nothing to do with it. The three matches before it takes effect mean there's enough time for the alliances to submit their picks knowing the winner.

IronicDeadBird 28-02-2016 19:58

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Maybe asking the DC's for the 10th defense won't be as funny as I thought...
I'm assuming nicknames are fine as long as they make sense?
Cause I've been shortening the names since day 1...

ratdude747 28-02-2016 20:12

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Here are my (snarky) thoughts on the listed bad selections:

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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1548629)
"I'd like the teeter-totter..."

Did they also ask about whether they can triple balance too?

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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1548629)
"That one!" (points)[

At least they pointed... some people assume you know what you're looking at and thinking of. Just ask anybody that works a meat, fish, or deli counter at the grocery store.

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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1548629)
"I'd like the rock wall, the rough terrain..."

They must have thought it was Burger King, as they wanted to have it their way. Did they also ask for $1.49 Nuggets and a side of onion rings?

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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1548629)
"Wait, these aren't the ones we go against?"

They are if you're doing 6v0... :D
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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1548629)
"We'd like the door."

Yes, chute door.

Billfred 28-02-2016 20:32

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird (Post 1548667)
Maybe asking the DC's for the 10th defense won't be as funny as I thought...
I'm assuming nicknames are fine as long as they make sense?
Cause I've been shortening the names since day 1...

I did have one alliance troll me on Saturday, and I did laugh...

Nicknames may be tolerated, as long as they are obvious and unambiguous. "Cheval" is. "Sally" is. "Port", no. (Portcullis, or Sallyport?) "PC", you're getting a funny look until I figure it out--so just call it "portcullis" and be done with it!

Aiyash 28-02-2016 20:36

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
I was just assigned to be a DC this week, but I haven't found any information regarding this position? Can someone point me to a source please?

IronicDeadBird 28-02-2016 20:38

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1548686)
I did have one alliance troll me on Saturday, and I did laugh...

Nicknames may be tolerated, as long as they are obvious and unambiguous. "Cheval" is. "Sally" is. "Port", no. (Portcullis, or Sallyport?) "PC", you're getting a funny look until I figure it out--so just call it "portcullis" and be done with it!

I've been calling the portcullis the cull cause its looked like a guillotine to me since day one.

XaulZan11 28-02-2016 20:39

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Since FIRST seems to be pushing costumes and themes this year, I think a DC should dress up as Rob Ryan.

Billfred 28-02-2016 20:44

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aiyash (Post 1548687)
I was just assigned to be a DC this week, but I haven't found any information regarding this position? Can someone point me to a source please?

Training materials will be out this week. They just weren't ready for Week 0.5. Lucky me! (Alex from FIRST had me up to speed on their system in a few minutes; the bigger challenge was dealing with some bugs and then the people. They're fixing the former in Manchester, I'm fixing the latter here!)

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Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird (Post 1548688)
I've been calling the portcullis the cull cause its looked like a guillotine to me since day one.

I'm a reasonably astute person, and I would not catch this one without you pointing. Make it easy on the little old lady that will be assigned to your event, call it the portcullis. :)

BrendanB 28-02-2016 20:57

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1548629)
Understand the printout. I didn't take a picture of one, but the printout is always the defenses that will be on the far side of the field, starting in position 2 (because 1 is the low bar). On practice matches, they will also be the ones you selected. In qualification and playoff matches, they will be what the other alliance selected. Don't overthink this, or you will confuse yourself.

I got you Billfred!

Here is a printout from one of our matches from Week Zero. Correct me if I'm wrong but you receive this after both Red and Blue have submitted their selections to the DC. We did this in the que line two matches before ours (so double deck or in the hole however you want to say it).

I'll echo Billfred when he says be prepared. At Week Zero we showed up into the que line and were immediately asked what we wanted so talk to your partners BEFORE you go to the que line.

Billfred 28-02-2016 22:17

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1548701)
I got you Billfred!

Here is a printout from one of our matches from Week Zero. Correct me if I'm wrong but you receive this after both Red and Blue have submitted their selections to the DC. We did this in the que line two matches before ours (so double deck or in the hole however you want to say it).

I'll echo Billfred when he says be prepared. At Week Zero we showed up into the que line and were immediately asked what we wanted so talk to your partners BEFORE you go to the que line.

That's the one. (I think they abbreviated it to "QUAL", but whatever.)

Palmetto stacked them two deep in the field area and a third match in the hole, and we would catch them going from the hole to Queue #2. They technically had until the buzzer of the match they spent in Queue #2, but the red alliance wasn't coming back over without me escorting them back to get their picks in (and yes, I did that quite a few times). As soon as both picks were in, they got their printouts; we did not stress if we were early with that release as long as we were simultaneous (or as simultaneous as a cross-field walk allows), which appeared to be the intent of the rule from talking with Aidan.

GeeTwo 28-02-2016 23:35

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Billfred, thanks for exhibiting GP while being the GP (in the second case it stands for Guinea Pig). I have been working to get our whole team knowing the proper defense names (OBTW to all, Cheval de Frise is pronounced Shevel duh Freeze, not Shovel duh Fries) with a bit of success, and I've even tried to adjust our mentee teams, probably with less success. We've also made it a bit of a point as to which defenses are the same category, even if we've been a bit slack on what the category letters are. By the time we get to Bayou, our drive team should be fully ready to specify appropriate defenses on the first try.

Edit, and not necessarily just for Billfred: OBTW, what's the current story with the Cheval de Frise (CDF)? Is this expected to be fully available in coming weeks? I watched a number of Friday matches and saw the status that the CDF had been benched, but have not had time to watch many Saturday matches, though I have heard that the CDF re-appeared on Saturday.

Billfred 29-02-2016 13:48

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
One more thing I'll add: On practice matches, you CAN select from the same category (but not more than one of any defense). This is intentional, so that your alliance can practice on any defenses you deem necessary. Use that to your advantage if you want, but don't get used to that.

billbo911 29-02-2016 14:09

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
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Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1548809)
...(OBTW to all, Cheval de Frise is pronounced Shevel duh Freeze, not Shovel duh Fries)...

I prefer to call it the "Free Chevy". But, out of respect for Billfred, hence forth, I will try to use it's proper name, Cheval de Frise.

jds2001 29-02-2016 14:23

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Upon seeing this thread, I thought that my team may be amongst those that are perhaps "defense challenged", so I made a quick doc for them. Each row of the doc is a group, obviously, and they go in order - though I probably should have labeled them.

Anyone should feel free to use it.

cadandcookies 29-02-2016 14:30

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeTwo (Post 1548809)
(OBTW to all, Cheval de Frise is pronounced Shevel duh Freeze, not Shovel duh Fries)

It will always and forever be the shovel the fries to me.

notmattlythgoe 29-02-2016 14:30

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
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Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1549063)
I prefer to call it the "Free Chevy". But, out of respect for Billfred, hence forth, I will try to use it's proper name, Cheval de Frise.

I refuse to call them anything but flip flops.

jds2001 29-02-2016 14:37

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
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Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1549076)
I refuse to call them anything but flip flops.

People might get confused and think you're talking about politicians, especially in an election year. I'm sure many will be guest speakers at various events, so the DC's may think we need to put PEOPLE on the field in a slot if you call them that :D

(OK, bad joke)

kjohnson 29-02-2016 14:43

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
How is the audience selection communicated with teams in the pits? Does Pit Admin announce the results?

BigJ 29-02-2016 14:44

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
We call them "French Ramps" but will probably have to tell our drive team to use a more conventional term :)

Billfred 29-02-2016 14:46

Re: The Defense Coordinator's Lament (or: have your crap together for queueing!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kjohnson (Post 1549083)
How is the audience selection communicated with teams in the pits? Does Pit Admin announce the results?

As far as I know, there is no communication back to the pits. However, the audience selection category is printed explicitly on the match schedule so you'll have that known. Usually, you can look on the field and tell unless you're one of the first three matches after an audience selection. Even then, most of the time the DC will have been by the field for it anyway and have heard. At the absolute worst, you'll find out which one it is at the same time as the other three defenses you weren't going to know about anyway.


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