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Possible interference during San Diego Finals
https://vid.me/aKYg
Maybe a biased opinion for obvious reasons, but I don't think any of the refs saw this. What is your opinion/interpretation on this? |
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This looks like a clear judgment made on T20. Note the blue box. If it was determined that it didn't affect the outcome of the match in the opinion of the head ref, then the ARENA FAULT doesn't have to result in a replay.
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Scary. Must be a small venue if spectators can get that close.
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Glad to see that safety is the number one concern /s
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I would have thought that there would be an "exclusion" zone around the field, not just to protect gameplay but to protect spectators from injury, that child could have easily been injured. Robot Drivers and Operators, have a tough job already, without having to look for hands and arms inside the field. Yes, it could have quite possibly been a small venue, but if the venue is so small that there isn't enough room for a safe zone around the field, then venue needs to be bigger
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It was in the Del Mar arena which is usually for horse shows... and yes its a smaller venue. You could literally almost stand right behind the drive team if you wanted . There really were not enough viewing seats since only half of the field had seats the other was the backdrop for the video.
As for the kid grabbing the ball... it did not affect the outcome. Pretty sure the refs were focused on the aggressive defense being played. I was pretty stunned at how much teams played defense in San Diego...even we did when our ball got stuck, pretty amazed we did that and were not bad at it. |
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Which match was this in?
The point difference in the third match was only one ball. So if it was in that match, it would really affect the outcome. And would have forced a fourth final match. It looked like the ball was right in the corner of the field and would have been harder to intake. Perhaps slowing the alliance down by one goal. I also think the refs might have missed it there is a lot to follow on the field. |
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The kid picked up and threw the ball with no bots around I don't see a big issue there other than kid safety pretty sure it did not effect that games ultimate outcome at all.
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The Spy in the Spy Box was oblivious to the kid next to him. |
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Pretty sure I'd have smacked the field E-Stop if presented with that situation. I hope someone impressed upon that kid the importance of staying a safe distance. |
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This should not have happened, the rules are clear children under 12 aren't allowed in the pit without adult supervision why these same rules aren't in place for the field is beyond me.
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As a part of that winning alliance this seems like a huge lack of foresight on the refs part, the kid should definitely not have been allowed that close, the whole event was a bit off due to the fact of it being hosted at a new area on such quick notice.
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Hopefully if they do it again there they re-think the layout and add more viewing seats so not as many people are around the teams competing. Overall I have no real complaints on the venue its was fun and kinda of neat being semi outside. |
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It's possible that it was one of the Judge's kids. (Although, knowing the bulk of the Judges from SD and LA, I doubt that's the case.)
Should the kid have been there? Depends on whose kid he was. An older student or adult watching him would have helped to prevent this sort of situation. This is NOT limited to little kids. I was at a regional doing some job (RI, perhaps?) and didn't realize that I was getting closer and closer to the field to grab balls that were coming out of play. The Regional Director put his hand on my shoulder and pulled me back. (Yes, I'm still embarrassed about this, but big enough to admit it.) If you've never volunteered field side, I guarantee you that it is extremely difficult to follow anything going on outside of your role. - Judges - Watch specific robots to see how they perform - Referees - Watch specific areas of field or robots to track rules violations/scoring - FTA - Watches field to see if anything needs repair between matches - Field Supervisor - Tracks time, communicates with other groups to let them know what's happening field side, such as which match is competing, among other tasks - CSA - ??? (This is new to me.) - LRI - Watches robots to see if anything is not within the rules at the start of the match, changes were made to robot that wasn't inspected, or damage to robot to know what inspectors need to follow up on These are just a handful of the positions that are field side. Since ALL of the field side positions are busy, who is supposed to have been responsible for spotting the kid and keeping him from doing what he did? Knowing the great group that puts on the SD regional, they will address this situation if they end up in the same venue next year provided they get the necessary input. (Boltman and other SD regional participants need to get an email to the Regional Director or someone on the Regional Committee.) |
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CSA-Control System Advisor
Basically, if somebody's control system is having fits, an orange hat will descend upon their pit (or be summoned to the robot) and help them figure out the problem. |
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I was sitting on the opposite side of the field and watched this happen. To me it looked like the kid picked up a ball from outside the field and put it in, but obviously that was not the case. The mom reacted, but as soon as the kid stepped away from the field, she turned her attention back to the game.
After the incidence, the mother and two kids were asked to leave the field area. |
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Yeah, we noticed this and brought it up to the FTAs and head ref. It didn't affect the outcome of the match.
The venue was pretty small and we did have issues with non-badged (driver team, volunteers) individuals walking field side. Fortunately, the event ran rather smoothly toward the end of Friday and all-day Saturday! |
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So this isn't exactly what happened in this clip but at our district event, there were a few instances in which a boulder was shot, hit the tower, and left the field. Sometimes, the boulder was given to a HP to be bowled back in. Other times, a volunteer or whoever got the Boulder would reach their hands in and set the Boulder right next to the wall. What is the correct way to renter these boulders per rules? The reason I bring this up is because we were the main team at the event that launched boulders outside the field via ricochet of the tower. I'm not on the drive team but it appeared that we made sure if the boulders were placed into the field in any way that wasn't through the HP, we didn't want to touch them.
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EDIT: Cheated the system, saw the video. That's actually pretty scary. What's more, it kinda was in the general vicinity of at least 2 robots, so I'm sorta surprised a ref didn't notice. They have enough to worry about I guess. |
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3.2 Match Logistics: BOULDERS that exit the FIELD over a GUARDRAIL during a MATCH are placed back into the FIELD approximately at the point of exit by FIELD STEWARDS (REFEREES, FTAs, or other staff working around the FIELD) at the earliest safe opportunity. BOULDERS that exit the FIELD over a CASTLE WALL during a MATCH are returned to the COURTYARD at the corner of the GUARDRAIL and CASTLE by FIELD STEWARDS at the earliest safe opportunity. |
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As a mother my first thought was... Where are the children's parents? A short wall is not sufficient protection between a small child and several 120 lb machines programmed and controlled by students.
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Our robot had some kind of firmware issue at Standish, and got into the habit of randomly driving various motors (PWM and CAN alike) while DISABLED. (Long story short: We took it off the field for two matches, and about all we were able to determine was that the fault was not inherent in the RIO or wiring. After re-imaging with a different laptop, the problem never recurred.) Anyways, point is that one should never make assumptions about how these robots will behave in a given context. We always set up safety barriers at demos, and have trained robot wranglers on guard to cut the power if necessary. Safety must always come FIRST in the context of FRC! |
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