Originally Posted by Valkonn (Post 1553189)

Jesus christ.... please have mercy on the central valley....

Originally Posted by Chak (Post 1553288)

Now imagine if you had two robots like this on one alliance! 60 point auto, not even counting the third robot, so potentially 70 or 80 point. In addition, the 4 balls scored in auto and the minimum 3 balls starting in the castle means that the opposing HP is forced to release at least 1 ball at the beginning of tele-op. At that moment, all opposing robots will be on the other end of the field, allowing this ridiculously overpowered alliance to grab the boulders off the secret passage without interference. This alliance would have a HUGE lead in points and cycle time!:ahh:

Maybe I will to see this at IRI or on the Einstein field. One can hope...:]

To make this possible, one of the autonomous routines must be performed on a non-low bar defense. 1678, your move.;)

Originally Posted by Boltman (Post 1553386)

Pretty sure low bar is a necessity to pull it off (talk about auto traffic jam) ..doubt two robots pull that move off consitently but who knows. I think the single boulder possession rule make this nearly impossible.

Originally Posted by axiomofdarkness (Post 1553408)

It seems possible (though extremely hard) to do it with any other defense, except maybe the ramparts. I doubt it will happen before Einstein, if at all, though.

Originally Posted by Boltman (Post 1553429)

Only thing that cancels ONE successful 2 ball auto (20 besides the cross) are 2 scaling bots (20 extra) so if 1678 pulls this off of the other alliances better find some scalers against them or 1678 better snatch up some scalers as captain..just sayin'

I think 1678 just made scaling bots top of peoples pick lists to defeat that alliance

20 points per match is 4 HG or 4 2x crosses or breach/capture...its huge

3 scalers are 1 HG better than 1 2-ball auto

Most everyone can cross in eliminations.

Originally Posted by Boltman (Post 1553429)

Only thing that cancels ONE successful 2 ball auto (20 besides the cross) are 2 scaling bots (20 extra) so if 1678 pulls this off of the other alliances better find some scalers against them or 1678 better snatch up some scalers as captain..just sayin'

I think 1678 just made scaling bots top of peoples pick lists to defeat that alliance

20 points per match is 4 HG or 4 2x crosses or breach/capture...its huge

3 scalers are 1 HG better than 1 2-ball auto

Most everyone can cross in eliminations.

Originally Posted by steelerborn (Post 1553485)

Scaling might offset the two ball in terms of points, but a two ball auto still is the stronger strategy IMHO.

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes (Post 1553511)

Two ball autos can be pretty easily blocked though, while scales can not.

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes (Post 1553511)

Two ball autos can be pretty easily blocked though, while scales can not.

Originally Posted by Poseidon5817 (Post 1553517)

Explain? Seeing as you can't cross the midline, it is pretty hard to stop a two ball auto. The only way you could do it is a canburglar-esque race to the center ball, but seeing as they immediately intake the midline ball without moving, it seems pretty unlikely that you will be blocked.

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes (Post 1553531)

Just start without a ball and have your intake ready to grab the ball as soon as the match starts. 1678 has to drop their ball first, so it would be relatively straightforward to beat them to the center ball.

There are more complicated 2-ball autos that could avoid being blocked, but considering we went through week 1 without any 2-balls at all, we probably won't see hardly any two ball routines more advanced than 1678's.

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes (Post 1553531)

Just start without a ball and have your intake ready to grab the ball as soon as the match starts. 1678 has to drop their ball first, so it would be relatively straightforward to beat them to the center ball.

There are more complicated 2-ball autos that could avoid being blocked, but considering we went through week 1 without any 2-balls at all, we probably won't see hardly any two ball routines more advanced than 1678's.

Originally Posted by Smitty1707 (Post 1553545)

It still requires a specialized auto mode, where you're lined up against the secret passage rather than a defense. So either your entire auto mode is preventing a two ball auto (the 1-ball will still work), or you're coming up with a much more complicated (read: more likely to fail) auto mode.

Yes, you can TECHNICALLY defend a 2-ball auto, but I don't believe the tradeoffs are worth it.

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1553551)

Who says you can't still cross after doing this?

We plan to have such an automode ready for champs.

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1553551)

Who says you can't still cross after doing this?

We plan to have such an automode ready for champs.