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Predictions Week 2: Scaling Up the Competition
Predictions Week 2: Scaling Up the Competition
It's still Tuesday night in Hawaii As week two approaches, seventeen events are already in the books and an eighteenth is underway in Tel Aviv. So far this season, Stronghold has played out like the game of tower defense it's supposed to be. In qualification, breaching the defenses is the name of the game, as the vast majority of alliances are aiming for 3RP matches (and often guarantee themselves the breach before focusing on tasks oriented with guaranteeing themselves the win). Ball offense picks up a fair bit in the playoffs, but so do defensive efforts. Many a great breacher in qualifications has found themselves as an alliance captain, but without a great way to distinguish themselves or create an edge in the elimination tournament. While alliances that can pot a few high goals have a bit of an edge, the real determining factors so far have been captures, shutdown defense, and scaling the tower. Expect much of the same at most events in week two. Most matches will be filled with teams who's primary mission is to cross defenses, and perhaps score a goal or two when convenient. Low goals will remain the more reliable option, especially when there's traffic or defensive pressure in the courtyard. However, there will be a handful of events in which there importance of high goal quantity and efficiency may become incredibly important towards the end of the tournament. Watch out for what happens in finals at Toronto, Kansas City, Madera, Los Angeles, and Arizona for signs of how the later season may begin to play out. With powerhouse teams not needing all three alliance members to complete a capture, the defensive presence of the third alliance member may prove to be a difference maker at more than one of these events. Alamo All eyes in San Antonio will be on a pair of Texas' top powerhouses in 148 and 624. The Robowranglers struggled (relative to their standards) the last time they attended Alamo, with some early season tweaks necessary to another catapulted machine in 2014. Even if it takes a bit for 148 to dial in their launching, their excellently packaged scaling device and plenty of driver practice should give them a distinct edge over most of the field. CRyptonite will be their foremost competitor, and quite possibly their most likely partner (despite the fact that 148 and 624 have never paired up in their history). The team formerly known as the Cinco Rancho Engineering Wizards have a history of working some impressive autonomous magic, and hopefully 624 can carry that over into Stronghold with their wheeled shooter. Beyond those two, a pair of recent world champions in 1477 and 2848 will be hoping to end droughts at the regional level since 2013 and 2011 respectively. Even if the pair doesn't come out of the gate firing, they will almost certainly be adept breachers at the very least and it should position themselves well in the standings as a result. 2468 may not be quite as fast over the barriers as the top few, but they have a shooting machine with plenty of potential. While Alamo doesn't quite have the proven depth of some of the other top tier events this weekend, there are still quite a few of Texas' more hidden gems in the field. 3735 has been earning the respect of fellow competitors in recent years, but have yet to win an official award of any kind in team history. Conversely, 1817 has a well stocked award cabinet (especially if you consider individual awards, where they have 2 WFFAs and a 4 DLFAs), highlighted by a pair of regional victories. 3999 and 4063 are both bringing simple, and hopefully effective, machines that should be capable breachers and low goal scorers (with TriKzR4Kidz also featuring the potential for high goal shots). 3481 has seemingly stepped up their game this year, with a very attractive and ambitious design (albeit "low bar challenged"). 1255 will be an interesting test case for the value of opening category C defenses solo from the neutral zone, as that rare skillset may make them an attractive later selection for an alliance looking to increase their max potential score without dedicating multiple robot efforts. It may also be worth keeping an eye on 231 and 3005. Ultimately, this regional may be decided in qualifications, as if the top powerhouses are able to pair up, it might be very difficult to stop them (barring tortugas or electrical failures). Arizona North Regional 2016 offers what may be the strongest regional in Arizona's history. The event in Flagstaff is a veritable who's who of powerhouse teams from all over the west. A bevy of teams from Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, California, New Mexico, and even some travelers from Wisconsin and Massachusetts will duke it out. Leading the Arizona teams are local legends 60, a rocker-bogie wielding HoF team 842, the zippy San Diego champs 2486, and relative young gun in the wooden 4183. Some of the lesser heralded nationally, but still very potent California teams will look to bring home some hardware. 192 and 846 both build technically proficient and aesthetically pleasing machines, and 3250 will be looking to recapture the magic of a strong 2015 season. 1339 will be venturing outside of Colorado for just the fourth time in their history, and looking to use their suspension to qualify for Championship for the first time. Conversely, fellow Coloradans 4499 have never failed to earn a Championship invite in some form in their short history, and are looking to build off a very strong 2015 to win on the field for the first time. 2996 will be hoping their compactly packed machine can start a new streaks of finals appearances, after 2015 marked the first year they weren't playing in the last match of at least one regional since 2011. But if Cougars Gone Wild are compact, then 125 is practically micro-sized. The Nu-Trons' robot wasn't shipped from the Northeast to Arizona, but checked on their airplane in a Pelican case. But the favorites at the event are two teams that broke into the FIRST spotlight last season after quietly building up highly successful programs in previous years. 1619 should be more prepared for Stronghold than many teams, with a long history of tracked drivetrains, and are looking to prove their two wins in 2015 (including one at an absolutely stacked Utah event) weren't flukes. 2122 lost to Up-A-Creek in Utah last year, but have picked up regional wins in five of the past six years, including a 2015 win a couple hours south in Phoenix. With the sheer quantity of quality machines attending this event, the elimination rounds should offer no fewer than three really potent alliances. It will be an interesting test to see if two powerhouse teams can acquire a defensive bot capable of overcoming a triple assault from a lower seed. Being able to get a slight edge via autonomous or the end game will be crucial in separating alliances. PCH District: Columbus After begging for districts and to get rid of 65+ team regionals, it's finally here for the peach state and the first event is going to be a good one. Georgia teams are used to large events with long turnaround times between matches; the region will need to build their robots robustly. Up and coming teams are looking to make a name for themselves, and the winners of the Columbus event will definitely have deserved that recognition. The Columbus event will feature four different 2015 regional winners, two different 2015 regional finalists, and multiple teams who are growing and getting better year by year. 2974 looks to build off their best year yet with a strong showing of their catapult this weekend. 1261 is notorious for starting hot, and these Robolions will look to pounce on the competition from the start. 4188 started out the 2015 season with a last place finish at their week 1 regional, but rebuilt their robot to win their week 5 event as alliance captains; these space engineers look to fire on all cylinders from the start, because their competition schedule (3 back-to-back events) will not be forgiving. The Columbus event will be all about breaching and scoring low goals early on in the event though, and 1746’s robot design is designed to do just that. Where OTTO lacks in firepower, they make up for with their drivetrain's speed and driver practice; a combination that may grant Kellen Hill the first 2016 banner in the Hill family. 2415 and 1648 both wield powerful shooters, but will start the event by focusing on breaching and the low goal before bringing out the big guns. The WiredCats will look to differentiate themselves in the later stages of the game with their unblockable outer works shot, and G3 Robotics will try to keep up in firepower with their articulating “cannon”. With such a loaded top tier, will it be possible for a middle tier team to break through? 4468 looks to prove so. The LINKS’ impressive reveal video was great, but the LINKS will need to focus on the breach and low goal if they want to have a chance at beating the other top teams. Greater Kansas City Even with another event across the state on the same weekend, GKC still looks like a stacked event. Missouri's four most recognizable powerhouses will be in attendance, and it would be surprising if at least two (if not three or even all four) of 1730, 1806, 1986, and 4522 are not in the finals. Titanium's elegant machine is a true beauty of engineering, but it's their incredible consistency that makes them the favorite. 1986's class of 2015 won 90% of the regionals they competed at, with the single loss occurring in the finals at Rock City last year. Team Scream may have the longest odds of the bunch, as their slick swerve driving courtyard sweeper might be better served in later weeks of competition. Or perhaps Team Scream's All-In attitude could push the Stronghold metagame towards that point, if they can align with other teams to handle the breaching duties while they focus on the low bar and scoring goals. But ultimately all four of the favorites may be in trouble if a trend continues. Since 2009, at least one defending regional champion has repeated their victory at GKC. That's good news for 1723 and 1785, who were both members of the 2015 Kansas City champion alliance (their partner, 1710, can be seen at Smoky Mountains in a few weeks). 2457 and 4959 will also be aiming to build off of strong 2015 campaigns. 935 will be looking to rebound after a disappointing Recycle Rush, but their experience in building custom drivetrains (including tracked ones) will serve them well in Stronghold. 1775's low goal and breaching specialist machine should also be in the hunt, as will 1987's slick-looking high goal shooter. Greater Toronto East Only a few select events will pack more high end firepower than GTR-E this season. Three of the top 1% teams in all of FRC will be taking the field for the first time.... plus two more recent world champions and a 2015 Einstein alliance captain on top of that. The top handful of teams in Oshawa should be able to compete with just about anyone in the FRC world. Both 610 and 1241 embraced design tradeoffs, and it will be interesting to see how Crescent Robotics' omission of high goal ability or Theory 6's choice to build higher than the low bar pays off in the end. Both teams have ended up creating a defined role for themselves with those decisions, and seeing how that role fits into the high powered top alliances at this event is a matter of some intrigue. On the other end of the spectrum, 118 embraced their typical do-everything mentality, finding ways to package a bevy of devices into a low bar capable machine. And once again, the Robonauts pushed the limit of the end game with a novel solution. Plenty of focus will be paid to 1114's debut as well, of course. The Simbotics have an argument for being the most consistent of all of the elite teams in FRC, and their 2016 entry gives little reason to suspect any regression from the Canadian powerhouse. While it will be insanely difficult to crack the top two alliances at this event, a handful of other Ontario powerhouses will hope to just that. 1305, 1325, 2013, and 4476 could very well create alliances capable of capturing the tower in the eliminations. The LF hivemind is also Looking Forward to seeing how 1285 managed to clone themselves in 2016. However, the most compelling story this weekend will be if 2056 is able to begin their tenth season without a regional loss. OP Robotics has won several events without the aid of the Simbots through their history, and their 2012 and 2015 match-ups against 1114 prove that 2056 can top elite teams. Even still, seeing how the top three teams align heading into the eliminations, and how much support they can get from later picks, will be a compelling situation. While nobody doubts that 2056 is capable of winning even if they're denied partnerships with 1114 and 118, it's doubtful that anyone in Stoney Creek is hoping for that scenario. Arkansas Rock City 2015 Winners/Finalist Teams Returning- None Really loves roller claws- 3937 Really loves polycord- 2338 Swerving over everything- 16 Unique concepts- 3310 Central Valley Ultra slick scoring machine coached by a student- 254 Defending world champions- 1671, 1678 Tall shooters without scaling- 973, 1671 Ambitious rookies with plenty of driver practice- 5817 Slick low bar scorers looking to sneak an upset- 649, 701 Finally a game that rewards putting a shooter on top of a lift- 1323 Los Angeles 2015 Einstein- 330, 987, 3476, 5012 Looking to rebound after missing elims last week- 1197 Always great to look at- 399, 696, 4201 Should be in the mix- 3309, 4322 New York City Rising international force- 4481 Trying to bring back their third consecutive win to England- 1884 Establishing themselves as a NYC powerhouse- 3419 Annual contenders- 354, 694, 1796, 2344 Orlando Floridian Favorites- 233, 744, 1592 Looking For A Second Blue Banner this year- 1369, 4451 Hoping To Bounce Back From Lackluster 2015- 79, 180, 1065, 1902 Wildcards- 108, 1251, 1523, 1876, 2383, 3880, 4118 St. Louis Favorites- 2451, 3284 Trying to live up to 2015- 1658, 2783 In the mix- 1208, 1675, 4329 Mexico City Gunning for a three in a row- 2283 Established contenders- 3158, 3478, 4403 Rookies- 16 Greater Pittsburgh Looking to refine their shot and qualify outside of FiM- 1023 Some of NY finest- 340, 1126, 1507, 3015 Stepped up their game in 2016- 1708 Perennial contender- 48 CHS District- Greater DC Vae Victory in week 1- 1418 Should excel in the new format- 836, 1389, 1885, Aiming to improve on opening weekend results- 4242, 5587 CHS District- Southwest Virginia Northern Virginia #2 seed and finalists- 1731 Traditional VA powers transitioning to the district format- 346, 384, 1086, 1610 Scaled their way to the #3 seed in Haymarket- 2534 IN District- Tippecanoe Event Name- You won't find one that's more fun to say Week 1 veterans- 1501, 5188 Strong showing in the pre-season- 1747 Typically strong competitors- 135, 447, 829, 868, 1024 KISSophomores coming off Archimedes elimination appearance as rookies- 5403 FiM District- Kettering #2 Didn't have to travel far from their last event- 5251, 6086 On the rise- 4130, 4362 Presumptive favorites- 469 Twins of Kettering #1 victors- 494 Strong contenders- 314, 2337, 3539 FiM District- Lakeview Finalists last weekend- 3656 Gunning for their first win- 857, 2611 Strong district season in 2015- 4381 5000+ numbered teams- 23 FiM District- St. Joseph Quickly becoming one of the best in Michigan- 4967 Solid young team looking to break out- 5069 Contenders aiming to rack up points towards MSC- 2474, 2767, 2959, 3452, 3620 NC District- Wake County Event Actually playing this weekend- 900 Strong performances in Guilford- 435, 2642 Trying to translate NC regional wins to the district format- 2059 Up and coming- 5160, 5190 NE District- WPI CT's Power Players- 2168, 2067 Raising Stars- 4564, 4473, 5122, 1768 Post Lunch Power- 126, 175, 839, 1100, 2648 Hometown Spectrum of Simplicity- 190, 1735 NE District- North Shore Ready to Storm the Castle- 319, 1058, 4905 History of Smart Simplicity- 58, 2084 Perennial Players- 133, 246, 4761 History of Defense- 97 PNW District- Glacier Peak Hitting the Ground Running - 2522, 3663 Favorites - 492, 2930, 4911, 4915 Dark Horse - 1778 Traveling 2,000+ Miles - 568 PNW District- Wilsonville Hometown heroes- 1425 Aiming high- 4488, 2471, 1540, 955 Up and coming- 2811, 997, 2521, 2990 |
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Good luck to all teams competing this week and the teams coming to Pittsburgh Regional!
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More awesome analysis!
Good luck this weekend to all teams! And the Aztechs are ready to compete and we'll see you at WPI! |
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Can't wait to see 1323's newest robot. They are beautiful machines. Also yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing 254 transition into a student coach. Will this student also be the one designated for match strategy? 1648 - post your robot |
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We're planning on an official picture during unbag time tonight. Look out for it! Thanks for the shoutout, LF! |
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Shifting Gearbox confirmed. |
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Even though I will be in St. Louis this weekend I can't wait to see how the matches in KC turn out. The one thing that I know for sure is that the finals are going to be insane!
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I'm really impressed by the analyst's information gathering skill. I hadn't heard many of the things he mentioned and I don't remember my team releasing our robot strategy either. Impressive analysis every week, thanks for doing the research for us!
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Greater KC is a low key, super intense event (Though imho, the past few years at MCC haven't been nearly as great as having it at Hale Arena) KC's gonna be insane this year. Side note, I also recently found out that regionals are apparently not normally 60 team events. GKC, how you spoil me. |
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Thanks for the shoutout! 1540 is, well, Looking Forward to Wilsonville this weekend.
Good luck to everyone competing this week! |
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Man If LF's predictions were any more on point I'd be afraid.
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Not on 1648, but here you go |
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I've never noticed the "don't panic" sticker on you guys... |
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Thanks for putting this together! It is a great overview of the upcoming festivities.
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"Plenty" of driving practice
not too much... Not too little |
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Thanks for the 1817 compliment, but they did lost a few mentors this year. We'll see how they'll do this year.
I do think 3005 should be on teams radar. I'm really looking forward to the elims with 148, 624 and 2468 |
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OK, a write up of the AZ North Regional, but neither of the CA regionals? 4 Einstein teams at LA and 3 WC teams from the last 2 years at CVR? Who's the odd team out at CVR when the alliances form? The intrigue there alone with worth a long post...
BTW, does 254 have a new drive coach? |
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Five event predictions and could have done more!
Hopefully senpai notices you |
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Thank you for the giant writeup! I always find myself "looking forward" to this post. GTRE will be crazy!
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For PNW Wilsonville, don't forget who won the district competition last year :cool:
Good luck to all the teams competing this week at Wilsonville! Excited to see many familiar teams and fresh faces among the competitors! |
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Congratulations to Average Joes, Stryke Force and the Iron Giants for winning at St Joe.
This was a tough competition for us, it wasn't until the end of day 1 that we got our cameras working and with that our aim. Our roborio just stopped responding when we got on the field in the 2nd match. Luckily the event had one we could borrow (thanks to Stryke Force for offering 1 too). This left us in the spot where our camera code was unavailable throughout day 1. Proud of the kids though because on day 2 because they rallied and we made almost every shot. |
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However, LF's mystical oracular powers are clearly evident: when 2767 and 3620 looked at our scouting data to make the 16th pick, there were the Iron Giants, right where we needed them, to validate LF's breakout prediction. :) Also, LF had no way of knowing that rookie 6097 would build a solid robot, play smart, pick smart (141), and captain a #5 alliance into the semis. Great job, Botcats -- and heads up for next time, LF. |
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148 & 624 continued the streak of facing off in the finals ! |
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If you are really offended that a faceless textbox did not do enough ego stroking, might I suggest wrapping yourself up in the comfort of 3 divisional banners and one world champion banner? Not a lot of us can. |
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LF does what LF wants! If other CD commentors think they can add to the predictions, they can. That's what FIM Informer, PCH Informer, CHS Platter, NEForecast, INSight, and everyone else is for! |
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I enjoy reading what LF has to say about the events they choose to highlight each week, as well as the week-to-week strategic breakdowns. Just because the best team in FRC (254) is at an event doesn't mean in needs a full write up. Plenty of great teams at every event, I'm not even sure how LF has the energy to choose featured events and still give a nods to all the other events. Lets not forget that we set a record Week 2 for most FRC events happening simultaneously. That's a lot of events to cover! -Mike |
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A lot of teams from the AZN regional had rocker bogie drive trains, including our own team Plasma Robotics.
It was a really interesting regional and one of the more exciting ones I have been actually a part of. |
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You have the right to advocate for your team and your region as you see fit, as do I. I have the right to provide some obviously needed perspective when myself and a significant number of people think you're neck deep in your own kool-aid, as you have the right to belabor your point over and over and over in hopes that what you obviously perceive to be a earth-shattering injustice be corrected. That doesn't mean either of us come out of that smelling like roses. No one has any lack of respect for 254, 1678, 1323, 701, 1671, some good rookie and second year teams, etc. But come on, it's probably not getting any more interesting in Texas this year. It's probably not getting any more interesting in Toronto this year. GKC and AZN each are part of an underrepresented part of FIRST. The ever pervasive and eternally strange fanboyism over the traditional and rising powerhouses is not being affected by Looking Forward. It's at best a service to shifting regions and places to watch interesting storylines, at worst the jerkfest that you seem to crave, but mostly just a place for a bunch of nerds to shoot the breeze before they head off to events. It's not life or death and not worthy of a lot more time. |
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I think there is an east coast bias in some coverage though not only in FRC... for instance in GameSense not one mention of San Diego Regional week 1 were we as member of #8 took down #1 in QF two games.... that almost never happens in FRC and was noteworthy so is a rookie ranking #1 there over 399. But hey we are used to it, they had nothing to say when we were alliance captain 2 either in CVR after leading the pack at end of Day 1. I agree with Citrus Dad CVR should have been highlighted more in this weeks preview with FOUR WC teams facing off rather than also-ran. That is what top 25 is a joke no one knows what is going on everywhere everyone is in their own little niche FRC world. That is why I think 'preview' or 're-cap' coverage should reflect all regions equally. In GameSense if you were not a district event you did not rate. I'm pretty sure we played with some of the best bots the world has this weekend in CVR and would put them up in a heartbeat against Texas. Ridiculously talented top talent on display. |
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Not to put any of the other amazing teams there down- we all know that 1323, 701, 1671, 5137, 5817 have very good machines, and everyone was already going to watch that event just to see those amazing matches. LF can't cover every event. LF selects a few events that are stronger than usual with perhaps a less-than-certain outcome to highlight, because it makes sense to bring attention to those events. |
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If you don't like how Looking Forward writes their posts, than don't read them.
I can't believe we have to have a discussion about people not liking how LF does things. I don't see anyone else making write ups of every single event that makes everyone happy. LF can do what they want, if you'd rather your region or another specific region was highlighted why don't you do it? NE Forecast is a brand new account that I've found to be very knowledgable about New England, which I like. Personally, I liked reading more about Arizona. I knew who to watch at CVR and LA. I know nothing about Arizona. I've come out learning more. |
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Love 179 and the Texas powerhouse teams, The High rollers too... wish I knew more about Michigan and some of the others around the country and world. I just happened to watch a lot of Florida and Texas past two seasons in scouting. Us west coasters are used to the bias its all good. BTW thanks for this OP each week its cool to read about teams I do not know. |
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I'll jump in here because I think I can help. If you want to know more about some teams then you can use both the FIRST Website and a website called TheBlueAlliance! For example here is a Michigan team's blue alliance page (because you said you want to know more about them) http://www.thebluealliance.com/team/67 It's a really great website where they keep track of match scores and they sometimes have videos! Best Regards, RM |
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Other good Michigan teams I've heard of are Teams 33 and 469 (Who won World Championships in 2014!) If you want to know about other teams just let me know! Best Regards, RM |
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I'll start with that and check them out. Thanks |
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Another recommendation, for anyone who wants to know more about Michigan FRC teams: RoboZone. Yes, high school robotics is televised by Fox Sports Detroit. :cool: |
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I respectfully disagree, the piece part cost of ordering 97525A490 from McMaster is significantly higher than 97525A425 (130.5% price increase to give a round number). Additionally, the choice of rivet is 100% reliant on your use case. It's important to note these two are clearly of the same class and performance levels - with your rivet just being the "big brother" of the rivet I personally selected. Nothing against your rivet of choice, 97525A490 is actually one of my favorites as well (shoutout to 97447A652 when I'm feeling like mixing things up!). Disclaimer: In industry practice, don't purchase rivets off of McMaster, there are better suppliers that provide on a lower piece part cost! McMaster is mainly useful for FIRST since teams tend to order low quantity and desire short lead times. Was nice having this conversation! Best Regards, RM |
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I should have made a direct message to Looking Forward about my concerns rather than a public post. It's really not appropriate for me to essentially hijack this thread. I'm deleting most of my posts here and I'll take the conversation off line. (I am leaving the one responding to questions about my integrity and intent. I am focused on promoting the FRC model in California and elsewhere.)
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I'll make a serious comment and leave it at this
Looking Forward is making an attempt to broadcast more areas in FRC and I think that's admirable. I already recognized all the teams they named (even 5817) as contenders in CVR, but before this post I couldn't name 5 possible contenders for Arizona or especially Georgia, so they have accomplished their goal. In my personal opinion, I do agree that west coast FRC doesn't get enough coverage and think CVR deserved a write-up, but in the end that was LF's decision because, you know, it is their page :rolleyes: |
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I might sound like a complete noob for asking this question.
Looking Forward referred to themselves as "We." Is Looking Forward a shared account or something? Or do they represent a group? Or is there like a place where one can submit suggestions? :confused: |
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How about that 44% elimination capture rate at Tippecanoe? :eek:
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don't worry we got you covered LF
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I'm not exactly certain what this post was supposed to mean. You don't exactly supply context, could you help me understand? Also who is we? Not trying to tighten down on you or anything, just curious. Best Regards, RM |
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I think yall scared LF away :yikes: please come back LF, all this discussion is just everyone not-so-patiently waiting for week three ;)
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I too look forward to the next LF post...
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