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Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

This would also block High Goal batter shooters who need to be lined up completely against the tower.

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

At some events this would have prevented every robot at the regional from scoring. First seed would be crazy not to pick this team first if no robots could do high goal. That being said, I think it's too late in the season for this robot to be effective.

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by MaGiC_PiKaChU (Post 1565072)

Hello CD !

You probably remember my last thread about cheesecake. Well my team decided not to use this strategy for our next regional, because it's just too much pressure. So here we are, making it public :yikes:

We were able to design a robot (see thumbnails) to completely block access to both low goals at the same time. We were looking at G25 -C

Both low goals now have a maximum opening of about 8". Pretty hard to force a boulder in there :rolleyes:

The chokehold, here, is to make any robot that has no high goal capacity literally unable to score. Any alliance that has no high goal shooter could not do anything else than breaching all game, and, as you should know, those points are very limited. The robot has 3 wheel kiwi drive, that allows it to go over the secret passage, and go sideways under the low bar to come back and capture.

We were able to build the robot in about half a day, using only a jigsaw and about 5 pounds of our withholding allowance for parts that required more complex machining. about 40ft of raw aluminum bars make the frame of the robot.
What do you guys think?

Edit: Bumpers as shown are not legal, we are working on iterating on CAD to make it work

If you built the robot arms to flop down and still be within 15" of the frame perimeter it might work. I can't tell your dimensions from the picture.

However, forget it being a "chokehold". In all of the high score games, almost all of the shots are high goal. They're easier and faster with vision tracking and even with "iron sighting." And the outerworks is a safe zone.

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1565233)

I invite you to come try our pizza in person. Maybe then you will be able to understand it better.

I've tried your pizza in person. I still do not understand it.

-Jon, in NYC (where we have the only REAL pizza :p)

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by jds2001 (Post 1565374)

I've tried your pizza in person. I still do not understand it.

-Jon, in NYC (where we have the only REAL pizza :p)

*shotsfired.gif*

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by Zebra_Fact_Man (Post 1565162)

Face it: there is no legitimate chokehold for this game. GDC has made it very clear that they don't want any teams breaking the basic game mechanics. From height restrictions, to no-touch zones, to defensive limitations, everything is very cut and dry.

And the one possible break, involving blocking the return passages, someone was smart enough (read: dumb enough) to ask GDC if it would be ok to break the game before they actually did so, to which GDC heavily disincentivized (G21).

That's just quitter talk!

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by Citrus Dad (Post 1565373)

If you built the robot arms to flop down and still be within 15" of the frame perimeter it might work. I can't tell your dimensions from the picture.

G25-C, entire alliance gets a yellow card. Means that you get nothing from that design after your first match, and a number of the teams at the event get yellow cards they don't need.

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

This discussion seems kind of pointless. This robot is worthless (more precisely actively a detriment to the alliance) at champs, which I assume the intent is to get to.

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by orangemoore (Post 1565233)

I invite you to come try our pizza in person. Maybe then you will be able to understand it better.

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1565384)

This discussion seems kind of pointless. This robot is worthless (more precisely actively a detriment to the alliance) at champs, which I assume the intent is to get to.

To be fair, getting to and competing at CMP may have entirely different requirements depending on your region and week you are competing.

I would say that, at this point in the season, there are enough high goal shooters at most regionals for it to not be effective.

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1565271)

By definition, all robot frame perimeters are convex.

To observers standing outside the robot, yes. But when you stand inside the robot, the frame perimeter is concave...

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

That is a creative idea... had you been able to solve the bumper issues and make a legal robot during build season, you'd likely have an interesting and unique defender.

From a cheesecake point of view however, I think you'd run into some build season rules.

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R15 All ROBOT elements (including items intended for use during the competition in alternative configurations of the ROBOT), with the exception of the WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE per R18, BUMPERS, and COTS items, must be bagged and sealed, by 11:59PM local time on Stop Build Day, February 23, 2016

So maybe with the use of COTS parts and the withholding allowance and some work in the pits you'd be able to make it happen, however by altering the bumpers and movement systems you might also end up having a second robot which is disallowed under R1.

My apologies for being part of the "this won't work because" crowd... if the Wright brothers had listened to all the reasons they couldn't get off the ground, they would never have tried. But then again, they didn't have to meet an FRC rule book!

Love the idea!

Jason

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure (Post 1565394)

To observers standing outside the robot, yes. But when you stand inside the robot, the frame perimeter is concave...

Now, it's still convex, by definition:

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by jds2001 (Post 1565374)

I've tried your pizza in person. I still do not understand it.

-Jon, in NYC (where we have the only REAL pizza :p)

Preach it, my man.

Re: The REAL chokehold of 2016

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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1565307)

Actually the definition of choke hold is - absolute dominance or control

This strategy allows dominance over the low goal controlling the alliance into not scoring any.

It definitly could be debated whether this would be effective especially in elims but by definition this is a choke hold strategy.

Has someone actually made a FRC dictionary of strategic terms that are used weirdly only in FRC