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Wow, after all of these years FRC Team 2056 OP Robotics have lost a regional.

I feel terrible for all of the teams involved but this is history right here.

I never thought it was going to end but it has happened.

Congratulations to team 610, 1241, and 3560.

It is also worth mentioning that this is the first year since 2003 Simbotics has not won a regional.

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The scale would have tied the match. Wow.

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I really hope everyone understands the magnitude of 2056's streak. It isn't normal. It will never happen again. Hats off to 2056 for consistently striving for excellence.

Maybe the end of the streak will lead to a world championship!

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Missed a great opportunity for cause some outrage over the silly tie breaker rule.

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And then they would have won it due to having more foul points

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Looks like that prediction of 2056 losing a regional then winning worlds is holding up so far.

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It just shows you how amazing a streak it was that a thread was instantly created to mention it.

Time for OP to start a new one.

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when was that predicted? They could go to 3 regionals for the next 8 years and win them all to get it back...or 4 every year for 6 years. What an amazing team!

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Sure were some great finals matches at the Waterloo Regional!

Congratulations to teams 1241, 610, and 3560 for the regional win!

Huge congratulations to OP Robotics Team 2056 on the greatest streak in FIRST history! I am sure that 2056 will continue to be one of the most inspirational teams in FRC both on and off the playing carpet!

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Because of the new rule, I think that the blue alliance had to be the winner.. They had higher boulder score, the next factor after the AP, I think...

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Wow!
Congrats to 2056 for keeping the streak up, starting it off in 2007 against 854 in Waterloo and GTRC! Wow that's been a while!
An absolutely incredible robot, really hope you get redemption at champs!

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Not sure what you mean, no need to feel terrible. Looked to me like a lot of amazing, world-class teams played against each other and set a standard of gameplay for Stronghold that hasn't been seen yet this season. That was an incredible end to the regional and clearly everyone left it all out on the field.

Congrats to the winning alliance who looked absolutely formidable and just put some real terror into the hearts of everyone else traveling to St. Louis. Congrats 2056 for setting the bar so high for everyone else in FRC for, well, forever. I, personally, love a good dynasty. :) Truly an incredible feat.

Canada, man. I don't know what they put in the water, but it must be good stuff.

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Relevant tie break rules

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Contrairy to popular belief, 2056 did not lose the regional (:yikes:), teams 1241, 610 and 3560 won the 2016 Waterloo Regional!

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I don't feel terrible for 2056. And I sure hope their members don't feel terrible about today either.
They've created what is arguably the best robot in the world this year. They've participated in some of the most intense matches of FIRST history this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they win CMP this year. If we think this is all over because of a lost tiebreaker match at the most competitive regional in the world, we need to go back and rethink what FRC is actually about -- To quote one of those cheesy catchphrases that rings with an exceptional amount of truth, this is about "More than just Robots." And it's about more than just winning. It's about Inspiration.
Yes, their regional win streak is over, capped off at 23. But they still hold another streak, even more impressive than their regional victories, that I don't think this determined Canadian team will ever lose. They've managed to inspire us, all of us, every single year since their inception. And for that, hats off to OP robotics, perhaps the most inspirational team in FIRST.

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So first Golden States and FC Barcelona streak ends now OPs streak is over. This is just a bad week for streaks.

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Warriors lose.
2056 loses.
Maybe this means Syracuse can beat North Carolina? :yikes:

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What was the final score? Blue alliance hasn't been showing anything for a bit and I just saw this

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210-200

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Wow. I was following this all day at work and got worried about the streak when I saw the semifinal scores.

2056 pulled something off that is unrivaled. To win every regional in your existence up until now is something to be tremendously proud of. This streak is probably one of the greatest streaks in the history of... Well, anything, whether it be sports, games, or whatever else you can think of.

Hats off to everyone involved in the finals at Waterloo. I can't wait to watch the matches when I get home.

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Absolutely amazing. What 2056 pulled off is just crazy. Great job guys. That's all I can really say. Wow.

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It's easy to make this about 2056, but it's not. They're playing up to their usual incredible standard. The "next tier" in Ontario has made huge strides and have been very competitive with 1114 and 2056 for the last few years. Once that happened, it was really only a matter of time. Many congratulations to 1241 and 610.

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What an impressive streak. Both sides played extremely well, and it resulted in some very close, tough matches. Congrats to 1241, 610, and 3560 for a well deserved win today!

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Hats off to 2056 on an incredible streak. They inspire many teams to push harder.

Realistically however, along with their greatness, luck played a huge part in their streak, there's many events they should've lost, which they won, by pure luck.

Taking nothing away from them however, they're magnificent. With the streak ending, they're still the same team.

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I was thinking the exact same thing. But these streaks will stand for a lot of years.

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I'm sad to see 2056 (and 1114) lose... breaking 2056's regional winning streak and leaving 1114 without a regional win this year. They both built excellent robots, have tremendous teams, and would've won almost any other regional.

That said, 1241 and 610 both competed tremendously and are fielding excellent robots this year (in addition to strong recent years). The field in Ontario has undergone a tremendous transformation in the last 5-8 years, going from a relatively mediocre middle tier, to a very large number of highly competitive teams.

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There's an important distinction between losing and being beaten. Losing implies that you, well, lost. Being beaten is when there's really nothing you could have done - you just come up against a hot alliance and they happened to come out on top.

2056, you've lost a couple competitions over the years, but ONWA 2016 isn't one of them. You were beaten, and there is no shame in that. None at all. So proud of all my family and friends on one of the most remarkable teams in FIRST.

Now, story time. When the streak started, way way back at Waterloo in 2007, the current record holder for consecutive regional wins starting from a rookie season (aka the "truly undefeated" streak) was 254, with 5 wins.

It's fitting that it ends here, where it began, against a team that could have ended the streak at five. GTR 2009, 188, 610, and 1305 came this close to beating 2056, 1114, and 2185. A flukey rule and a last-second supercell broke the Poofs' record. A ridiculously close Finals 3 match broke 2056's streak. That's poetic.

OP Robotics will go down in FRC history with the likes of the Beatty Beast, and the Bobcats' impressive Einstein streak. 2056 has done something that no other team will come close to accomplishing ever again. That's something to be happy about.

I'm all over the place here. But I'll end with this super cheesy quote: "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."

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The 2056 streak will never be matched.

More impressive to me though, as I was field side for the finals matches, was how the members of 2056 handled themselves after the final scores were posted. There was no tears, no bad feelings, just congratulating their alliance members and their opponents on a great regional.

Of course, what would we expect from one the most respected teams from first, but seeing it happen in person when even I felt terrible that they had lost was truly something special.

Congratulations on an incredible run, and to quote one of their mentors "We'll just start a new one next week"

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Please elaborate on which competitions they "lost".

And, I also disagree that they did not lose. If 1114 did not loose comms their first match they would have probably won IMO. And also if the blue alliance robot(Forgot which team so sorry) did not loose comms in the they might have won both matches. Also if 2056 completed their scale they would have won.

I think this was a fair loss for them and I do not think either alliance played their best.

Which.... Scares me.

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Generally our team has a rule against posting on this site, but because of the over whelming support we are recovering after this competition I wanted to thank you on behalf of the team.

Today was emotional for our whole team, from the grade 9's to the teacher who started it all way back when. We kept a great streak and have left a permanent impression on the first world. Thanks to everyone who cheered us on and congratulations to the winning alliance for a game well played. This is the kind of competition that first inspires in the youth and you all know we will be back at Windsor playing harder than ever. Thank you all!

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They "lost" in the way that they haven't won a championship yet, and a few off season events they haven't come out on the top of.

I think you are missing the point. It was a high level of play beyond anything we have ever seen yet in FIRST stronghold. None of these teams "lost" they all gained something far more valuable than a regional win, and it's something they will carry with them for a long time.

2056 is awe-inspiring as a team, as individuals, and as a member of the FIRST community. You guys are awesome!

Now take home that championship banner!

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I once again disagree. Waterloo did not IMO have the highest level of play not even close.
Was it high yes highest absolutely not.

What did 2056/1114/5912 "gain". I see 2056 who lost a very long standing streak they showed straight faces on field but lets be real here they are upset. I especially feel bad for the drivers. Then you have 1114 who had their first year without winning a regional. Lastly you have a rookie team 5912 who probably is blaming the loss on them. The only thing I see teams carrying from this is knowing they were part of the reason the streak ended. Even if they really were not.

2056 is an amazing team with an amazing robot this year. The best? no. A championships contender for sure? Absolutely.

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Then I recommend you rewatch the matches. Not only were the alliances on average on a whole new level, the strategy* that was in play was at a whole new level.

*that being said i'm positive the game will continue to evolve in new and exciting ways promoting even higher level play.

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Off the top of my head:

Newton 2008 - Semi-finals
IRI 2009 - Quarter-finals
Archimedes 2014 - Quarter-finals

These are the ones we (they) walked away from disappointed with our (their) performance. I'm omitting Einstein 2012 for obvious reasons.

Also, 2056 wins Chairman's for the second straight year. New streak?

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They have gained something referred to as "experience". They have not only observed FRC Stronghold at the highest level of play so far this season, they have actually played it at such a level, giving them invaluable experience as they move on towards the FIRST Championship. Not many other teams have been able to experience this. These high level teams, such as 2056, and 1114, have been able to see the small flaws that can be exploited during their game play. They now have time to figure out how to counter these small exploits, which will make it even harder for them to be beaten as we approach the FRC Championship.

They have, as an analogy, had to climb Everest by competing at Waterloo. It was an extremely tough challenge. Moving onto FRC Championships, they may have to "climb Everest" again, but it will be easier this time, thanks to their invaluable experience gained at Waterloo.

In regards to Waterloo not being the highest level of play that we've seen so far...
-46 Captures in Qualifications
-Average Match Score of 101
-Average Winning Score of 120
-Highest Quals Score was 190
-Highest Elims Score was 212
-Outstanding RP Rankings: 1114 had 44 RP in Quals, 3 robots had 40+ RP
-Lowest ranked team still had 15 RP

Aside from statistics, and coming from a strategy point of view, some of the game play in eliminations specifically was strategically fantastic, with tough defensive play, making these high scores even more impressive.

In regards to teams being disappointed with how they've done...
1114: Started off fairly rough for themselves as a team at GTR East. If you look at how much they've improved over just a few weeks, and very minimal time to work on the robot, it's truly phenomenal. You'd be hard-pressed to find a team who could make the massive amount of improvements that they've been able to make. The degree to which they've been able to improve their robot is an award on it's own. 1114 also won a physical award, the GP award.

2056: 31-7 this season. 16-1 at GTR East. A 23 regional streak. Quite frankly, that's enough said. They've pushed limits that no other FRC team ever has before, they've become an idol that other FRC teams strive to be, strive to work towards. It's highly unlikely that their streak will ever be broken. On top of this, they also won the Chairman's Award.

5912: A rookie team. They won both the Highest Rookie Seed Award and the Rookie All Star Award. On top of that, ranked 26th and a Regional Finalist at what I still believe is the regional at which we've seen the best game play for FRC Stronghold.

Congratulations to not only the winners of the 2016 Waterloo Regional, but to each and every team that competed there for playing at such a difficult regional.

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2056 won Chairman's, so I don't think they're THAT upset. And besides, at this rate they're probably going to win World Chapionships

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I'm curious, what do you think has been the highest level of play so far? And what do you think the best robot it this year?

Personally I think the best robot is 971.

As for highest level of play it's hard to choose.

Waterloo is up there but events like Sacramento, Central Valley, Alamo, LA, Ias Vegas, Dallas, ect and even some very impressive district events that are definitely around waterloo in terms of the highest level of play. Waterloo is definitely the deepest regional but thats a different story all together.

I will also mention in terms of the rp person that, them having 13 qaulifsctjon matches each plays a big role. That's 5 more qualification matches then we had at NYC with less then half of the teams.

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If you are limiting yourself to the tangible forms of "success" like blue banners, then you are missing the point. Only 3 teams win any event, but if only 3 teams gained anything from competing then FIRST would not have lasted 25 seasons.

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I compiled some statistics comparing average breach and capture rates in qualifications for each of the regionals you listed. LA comes close to Waterloo in breach rate, but Waterloo is by far a winner in capture rates. For reference...
Green --> Highest rate in category.
Yellow --> Second highest rate in category.
Red --> Third highest rate in category.

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I am going to make a bold prediction and say this graph will be different after SVR next week.

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When the rubber meets the road, the robot has to perform. Reliability speaks for itself.

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Good thing I said "thus far", and not "will be the best including the future"

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This was a shock to us all. I think we all had a moment of silence as we saw the scores and realized what had happened.

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Wow! Awesome streak 2056! Does anyone have any video of the finals matches for Waterloo?

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SVR is crazy, don't get me wrong, but just because the regional is so much larger, there will be more alliances of teams in qualifications that can't get the capture.

Also- if you wanted to graph events with high capture rates, you should include Finger Lakes. I believe FLR had something like a 25% capture rate, which is nowhere near Waterloo, but nonetheless a point of pride here for how deep the event is almost every year.

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"Sometimes you have to accept it you can't always win." This is how any competition works, this streak will definitely be one of the greatest in FIRST.

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2056 set the gold standard for simplicity, reliability, and consistency. They are one of the best teams in FRC, and will undoubtedly continue to produce amazing results in the future.

On a side note, the new longest active regional streak in FRC belongs to 118 with 12 consecutive regional victories dating back to Lone Star 2012.

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I'm a sucker for data, so I got the qual breach and capture rates across all events this season. 2016onwa is #15 in breach percentage and #2 in captures.

Script is on GitHub

Based on that. It looks like IN District - Perry Meridian is the most competitive event so far this year.

Which is not that surprising when you put in perspective that you have teams like 45, 71, 234, 1024, and 1747 just to name a few.

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Match Footage for Finals 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuSEPlfoBWw

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Incredible. You can feel the tension in the air prior to the score being announced.

Gotta love the blue alliance's drive team all lined up in each other's arms waiting for the score.

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Many Indiana teams have deep respect for 45 and 234, but they really should not be mentioned in the same category as the other three.... especially when 1501, 135, and 1741 are not mentioned.

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I can't imagine what the energy felt like when finals 3 was announced. Amazing play by the blue alliance and of course to the red alliance. Even though the streak has been broken, it's safe to say that 2056 will hold the record forever of most consecutive regional wins if not a very long time.

-Connor

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Not to totally derail the thread, but does anyone have breach/capture stats for elims? Waterloo has 97% and 63% respectively. I think the Waterloo elims are the highest level we have seen eight elimination alliances play this season.

Back to how insane 2056 is, we got chance to play with them almost a decade ago at IRI 2007. It was amazing then to see a rookie team coming off two regional victories in that season and their run has kept going.

The insane growth in competition in the Ontario region has been the most impressive part of the streak to me. Simbotics and OP helped push the region to improve at such a level that it has really paid off for everyone.

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I'm trying to stay on topic but had to get this little bit in ;). IN is amazing this year on offense. Hardly anyone plays defense in IN. Not even in Elims. I'm not sure if this inflates our statistics (because I'm not really sure how other areas are or aren't using defense) but either way, IN has put up some great teams. Some teams that weren't very good last year just rose up out of nowhere and have put up amazing robots.

Anyway... back to the topic. I didn't believe this at first when my friend texted me this. Way to put up an amazing streak. Maybe now you guys can win a world championship ;). Good luck to you at Worlds and nobody on your alliance should blame themselves for this loss. Some great competition at that event for sure.

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Going off of JackN and not wanting to derail this thread further - but what in the world is going on in Ontario and why is this one area producing so many great teams? Obviously the local FRC structure has struck a chord.

Incredible feat 2056 - their streak was in the face of attending some of the most hotly contested regionals. They did not shy away from competition during the 10 year run. Yes there is some anecdotal stats that could contradict my statement - but to win in any Ontario Regional in the last number of years means you have to go through many local perennial powerhouses as well as some visiting powerhouses.

Congrats to 610, 1241, and 3560 - I am certain that this is one Blue Banner that will mean more than most that you hang.

And of course - congrats to 2056; your streak will be one for the ages - kind of sad to see it end.

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"If you wanna be the man, you gotta beat the man." Ric Flair. (And Karthik.)

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It is very likely that "streak" of inspiration that 2056 and 1114 have created lead to...

So I think it is entirely appropriate that 2056 came away with a Chairman's Award. It rewards teams that have succeeded in changing culture. I have to think that raising the bar of the competition in the Toronto Region, consistently, year after year has to count.


What did 148 "gain" by going to Waterloo? I somehow don't think they went to win the "Quality Award". What did 118 gain by going to CTRE? They already had a ticket to Champs then won Rocket City and they are strong favorites to win Lone Star. What did 254 gain by going to Waterloo in 2014? They won a regional before and after Waterloo. All three teams had the opportunity to compete at Sacramento, Central Valley, Alamo, LA, Las Vegas, Dallas and many others. Other than 148 competing at Dallas and Alamo (their "home regional" and one in their "backyard") they chose Waterloo over any others. Having traveled to Toronto many times to visit family and friends, I know the travel cost are typically higher than other US destinations. One also has to deal with Customs and Immigration on both sides of the border and with international shipping for the robot twice. These three teams have long histories of thoroughly analyzing and understanding the issues and acting in appropriate ways. I don't think they went to take advantage of the low Canadian Dollar and to get TimBits. Perhaps they wanted dress-rehearsals for...

Where most teams only dream of being able to earn the opportunity to compete.

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I think this has been building for many years with the consistently high level of play exhibited by 114 and 2056 being a key factor in spurring the other team to up their game. My understanding is that other Toronto area teams have also done a lot of work to help rookies and up-and-coming teams get up to speed more effectively. When I watch the live streams in a little window on my work computer, I rarely see boxes on wheels lurching around, at the Toronto area regionals. Apparently, the local school board is also very supportive.

I also feel there is a psychological aspect to this. I recall sitting with some of the Toronto area teams cheering for 1241, 610 and 1477 in the 2013 Einstein Finals. They said that they had been so dominated by the pairing of 1114 and 2056 that they were amazed to see other Canadian teams make it that far. When 1241/1477/610 won, it seemed that the mentality changed from "only 1114 and 2056 are good enough to win Einstein" to "other Toronto area teams can win Einstein too". They were not just cheering for their friends, they saw hope of doing better themselves.

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What's even crazier in my opinion is the fact that 1114 and 2056 are up to their usual excellent standard (with the exception of 1114's com issues), but other teams are catching up to them, specifically 1241.

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What specifically caused the COM issues that 1114 were having?
After now just completing our 3rd event, we had at least 4 matches of COM issues where our radio lost power. I suspect its our new radio itself and not the connections.
All of our wiring has always been perfectly in place, and have been inspected. We swapped out our radio only and didnt have a radio-related issue the rest of the event.
I wonder if all that abuse and jarring on the robot damages something internal to this new radio?

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I can chime in a little bit here. Towards the end of quals at Waterloo, most teams were dedicating themselves either towards defensive play or offensive play, and scores fell as a result of highly effective defense by all-star defensive teams like 1360 and 3937, who respectively shut down even 148 and 2056 in matches.

In Playoffs, every single team fielded a defensive robot of some sort. Most alliances fielded a conventional courtyard disruption robot, whose purpose was to disrupt opposing alliance's shots by hitting them during prep and slowing down their approach to firing position.

Our alliance (1241, 610, 3560), played a different style. Because of the high number of Outer Works-capable shooters that were unaffected by a 4'6 blocker, we chose to have 3560 disrupt the secret passage cycles of teams like 3683 DAVE, who relied on the secret passage to funnel balls into the courtyard for 148 to score. This strategy proved to be highly effective, and we continued using it to great success against 1114 and 2056's unparalleled and infinite firing locations and ability.

So to answer your question: Yes, an enormous amount of defense was played at Waterloo, with most of it being extremely effective in slowing down cycle times.

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I'm not surprised. That's what happens when you have a few teams that are leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else in one particular region- other teams learn, and get better and better until they're eventually on the level of those elites who once dominated them. It's official now; with 3683 picking up their first regional win ever, and 1241/610 beating 1114/2056, Canada is no longer dominated by the same two teams. I'd like to congratulate 1241, 610 and 3560 on their incredible performance and excellent strategy, and if I don't see some meme about the 2013 world champion alliance, I will be very disappointed.

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Fear not friend, you will not be disappointed today.
https://goo.gl/vQ9bCR

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Team 2056 has set a standard that will never be matched. Your team is absolutely amazing at what you do and there are many more success in future. Congratulations on this achievement.

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The 2056 streak hasn't ended, we just misunderstood the streak!

2056 has won a banner at every regional event they've ever attended and been in the finals at every regional event they've ever attended.
#thestreakisstillalive
#inspiration
#2056waystowin

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When 1114 picked 2056, Karthik said something about "getting the band back together". It seems that they weren't the only ones...

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Kevin, stop.

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Wow, that is a really cool way to think of it!

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Great jobs to yall. I think that that was the best match all year hands down so to me the streak is not yet broken and hey the prediction is coming true."2056 will lose their regional then win worlds"

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"No, you cannot pick Team 1477."

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We're trying to pick up on that in Northern California by reaching out to younger teams and raising their games.

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:D Iconic
The Stronghold Waterloo seems to have easily been the most exciting yet, and a well-deserved victory to 610, 1241, and 3560. In addition, congratulations to 2056 on their third RCA...while the longtime Einstein giants may have finally lost a regional, this year's Waterloo really exemplifies the strength and calibre of the Ontario teams on a level never seen before. Still, the end of OP's streak is simply a new chapter in their history. Winning 23 consecutive titles is no small feat, and I think we could see a certain team from Stoney Creek, Ontario on Einstein this year...

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In general, I think many great teams this year will seed high based on the current ranking system with a much better chance of reaching Einstein.
No, one bad match, can affect the standings like in other years where record mattered first. Good teams have a better chance of capturing with random partners than bad ones. I'm going to assume at Champs that the breaching ranking point is a given for almost all matches.

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Has anyone made a shirt yet?

I would buy a few, and I'm sure OP could make a killer fundraiser out of it.

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I think this is a bit different than the "Poof goes the curse" Curie Curse shirts...

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Oh yikes, I didn't mean a shirt celebrating the END of a streak, I meant a shirt celebrating the streak itself. (now I see how my previous post could be confusing)

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Yeah I agree. One bad match can't really affect the standings like in years past. (for example 2014, if you lost a match you lost 2 ranking points so that was a bummer and yes, if you lose a match this year you lose 2 ranking points as well, but you have the possibility of making that up with breach/capture ranking points) The capture rate will be high at champs. Good teams will not have as much as trouble ranking high because essentially many great teams can contribute to the majority of the capture by themselves- even if they get paired up with some bad partners they might still capture as long as their partners can move onto the batter. Champs will be interesting.

Agreed, the breaching point should be a guarantee almost every match at champs.

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I will ask them if they felt left out when I see them at Lone Star this weekend :D

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This is an issue in Texas too. I have worked with 2nd and 3rd year teams where it was "the blind leading the blind". One of these have collapsed when a teacher retired and the other one is still struggling because the culture of the blind leading the blind has taken root. There have only been a few teams, such as 1477, 3847 and 624, who have hosted events like "bumper builds" and week zero events in the Houston area.

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Respect

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On behalf of Team 2056, we would like to say thank you to all those who have commented here and to us personally over the last few weeks. We do hope that our striving for excellence has helped many of you to do the same. Our goal has been to inspire OP students but it has obviously done more than that. It has been seen and acknowledged that Ontario is developing some of the best teams in the world. We learned it from 1114 and those who came before them, and we continue the legacy, as teams around us continue to excel around North America.

As many have commented, people thought that a loss would relieve the stress and remove the proverbial monkey off our backs. I would just like to say, there is just as much stress each and every event to excel and to do our best whether we are going for our 24th win or our 1st win.

As a celebration of the 23 straight Regional wins, we have developed a T-shirt, in the flavour of our 2056 team shirt but yet acknowledging all the teams that won each and every event with us, as well as a special tribute to 1241, 610 and 3560 for winning Waterloo 2016.

These shirts will be available in limited quantities, please see us in the stands at champs for details. Please NOT our PIT.

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Are the t-shirts going to be for purchase or trade, and how limited are the quantities? I'm wondering because I won't be able to make it up to Champs until Friday morning, and I'm incredibly worried that they will all be claimed by then. Any chance of a system to reserve one?

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Awesome!!!!!
:D :D
I won't be at Champs, is there any way that I can get one?

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Ill make sure to go pick one up on day 1.

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As a mentor for 910, we were honored to help 2056 start a new streak in Windsor. Their program has been one that we look at as a great example of continuing excellence. We definitely enjoyed the challenge of playing against them in qualifying but was even more fun to have them on our alliance. I hope I am able to get one of these shirts in St Louis.

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So call me stupid :P , but how big was op's streak? I can't seem to find it anywhere. I know it was big, but don't know the exact number.

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23 regionals over 9 and 1/2 years. :D

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With the tower strength now at 10 idk if the cap is as garunteed

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Yeah I agree. It's gonna make it harder for teams to capture at champs, and qualification match defense will also make it more of a challenge. Capturing at champs will happen many times in quals, but not as common or as guaranteed as we thought before. The GDC definitely wanted to make capturing tougher, even if it is just 2 more boulders in a tower it still changes things.

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With how teams were doing pre-champs the GDC just made it so that no one team (excluding insane matches... and 254) can cap by themselves

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Will we be paying for these? If so how much? I will do anything to get that shirt

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This shirt is a great idea, and a fitting tribute to the thirty partners and three final opponents who were part of OP's historic win streak.

In the spirit of the Erdős number that mathmeticians track, I propose that teams be assigned "OP Numbers", defined as follows:

• Team 2056 has OP Number = 0. They are unique.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance n times with 2056 at an official FRC event has OP Number = 1/n.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance with any team whose OP Number is greater than zero and less than or equal to one has OP Number = 2.
  
• A team that has been on the winning alliance with any team whose OP Number is 2 has OP Number = 3.
  
• And so on.

To start,
1114 has OP Number = 1/16
1547 has OP Number = 1/2

The following teams have OP Number = 1


Can anyone provide a script to calculate OP numbers for all currently active FRC teams?*
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*Ether, you are ineligible. However, following your lead I will give rep points to the first CD student who shows a correct result, with sufficient detail to let others check the method used.

does "winning alliance" mean only regional winning alliance, or might it also include district, district champs, division, and/or champs winning alliance? also should offseason events be included? all of them? some?

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How about we use any event for which TBA has data? I think those are real enough to count.

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well that would make it easier.

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Ah, man, this is right up my alley. But count me in with rep on the first to complete the challenge, as well

I've got class tonight (and am no longer a student), but for those out there new to interacting with the TBA API, my GitHub gists has a ton of examples of pythons scripts to calculate various FRC stats from the TBA dataset. And of course, the TBA API Documentation will prove useful.

A prime example: https://gist.github.com/phil-lopreia...70084ffc8e4bf6, used in this very thread

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I think it's right on the edge where the very top tier of shooters can capture by themselves still, under no defense.