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bdaroz 04-12-2016 11:21 AM

Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
In the press release announcing Qualcomm's sponsorship FIRST has confirmed multiple Championship events starting in 2017:

Quote:

Save the date! The FIRST Championship will be held in:

Houston April 19-22, 2017 and St. Louis April 26-29, 2017 | Houston April 18-21, 2018 and Detroit April 25-28, 2018
Anyone have any information on how this will actually work?

CalTran 04-12-2016 11:23 AM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
You have one championship in Houston, one in St. Louis. Then at the end of it all you now have 6 world champions, and assumedly 2 CCA teams.

JohnSchneider 04-12-2016 11:34 AM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1571794)
You have one championship in Houston, one in St. Louis. Then at the end of it all you now have 6 world champions, and assumedly 2 CCA teams.

8* world champions

kgzak 04-12-2016 11:34 AM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1571794)
You have one championship in Houston, one in St. Louis. Then at the end of it all you now have 6 world champions, and assumedly 2 CCA teams.

8 world champs if they continue the 4 alliance elims.

Jay O'Donnell 04-12-2016 11:34 AM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1571794)
You have one championship in Houston, one in St. Louis. Then at the end of it all you now have 6 world champions, and assumedly 2 CCA teams.

8 world champions assuming the alliance structure stays the same.

Edit: wow I got beaten by 2 people...

Kevin Sevcik 04-12-2016 11:43 AM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Champs webpage has better info:
2017 and Beyond

Highlights:
Champs will be on subsequent weekends, Houston then STL, Houston then Detroit. (First Champs, best Champs. (Also, poor Al, Jess, MCs, etc.))
This is the plan from 2017 - 2020.
No details on regional split or anything like that. One presumes FiM teams and others with DCMPs in Week 7 likely won't be heading to Houston Champs in Week 8. Maybe HQ is going to compress some of the regions schedules to get them into the Houston Champs.

TDav540 04-12-2016 11:54 AM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1571811)
Champs webpage has better info:
2017 and Beyond

Highlights:
Champs will be on subsequent weekends, Houston then STL, Houston then Detroit. (First Champs, best Champs. (Also, poor Al, Jess, MCs, etc.))
This is the plan from 2017 - 2020.
No details on regional split or anything like that. One presumes FiM teams and others with DCMPs in Week 7 likely won't be heading to Houston Champs in Week 8. Maybe HQ is going to compress some of the regions schedules to get them into the Houston Champs.

It's certainly possible, but I think they decide to structure it in such a way that teams slated to go to Houston complete their cycles by Week 6, and Week 7 groups schedule to go to Detroit/St. Louis. I'm sure we'll something about it this summer though.

JohnSchneider 04-12-2016 11:54 AM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1571811)
Champs webpage has better info:
2017 and Beyond

Highlights:
Champs will be on subsequent weekends, Houston then STL, Houston then Detroit. (First Champs, best Champs. (Also, poor Al, Jess, MCs, etc.))
This is the plan from 2017 - 2020.
No details on regional split or anything like that. One presumes FiM teams and others with DCMPs in Week 7 likely won't be heading to Houston Champs in Week 8. Maybe HQ is going to compress some of the regions schedules to get them into the Houston Champs.

The real conflict is with teams that do VEX...

JohnBoucher 04-12-2016 12:23 PM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
How about split dates at the same venue?

Bring half the teams come in Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. Have the winners stay. Bring in the other half Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

Playoffs on Saturday. One Woodie Flowers and Chairman's winners. One winning alliance.
  • Only one setup needed.
  • Given a nice venue, volunteers may stay the week. (Disney come to mind)
  • No arguing who the real champ is.
Just Saying........

George A. 04-12-2016 12:30 PM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBoucher (Post 1571842)
How about split dates at the same venue?

Bring half the teams come in Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. Have the winners stay. Bring in the other half Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

Playoffs on Saturday. One Woodie Flowers and Chairman's winners. One winning alliance.
  • Only one setup needed.
  • Given a nice venue, volunteers may stay the week. (Disney come to mind)
  • No arguing who the real champ is.
Just Saying........

I would absolutely be in favor of this, however there are a few logistical issues that might be difficult to overcome.

Airfare for the winning team from the first half would be a nightmare. Teams wouldn't know if they have to hold over their flights until the last day and getting them reworked at the last minute seems all but impossible.

Asking those same students to take more time off of school again at the last minute prolly wouldn't fly with the administration.

Also getting volunteers who would be able to give the full week of time needed would be a daunting task in and of itself.

I do think that maybe something should be done so that the 2 winning alliances meet up at some point to determine an overall champion.

Michael Corsetto 04-12-2016 12:30 PM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnSchneider (Post 1571817)
The real conflict is with teams that do VEX...

This was my initial reaction last year.

Seems like a shot taken at Vex Worlds to schedule both late-April weekends for Half Champs.

-Mike

dodar 04-12-2016 12:30 PM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBoucher (Post 1571842)
How about split dates at the same venue?

Bring half the teams come in Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. Have the winners stay. Bring in the other half Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

Playoffs on Saturday. One Woodie Flowers and Chairman's winners. One winning alliance.
  • Only one setup needed.
  • Given a nice venue, volunteers may stay the week. (Disney come to mind)
  • No arguing who the real champ is.
Just Saying........

So the first set of winners have to miss more work, more school, and pay more money than the 2nd set of teams?

TDav540 04-12-2016 12:34 PM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by George A. (Post 1571849)
I would absolutely be in favor of this, however there are a few logistical issues that might be difficult to overcome.

Airfare for the winning team from the first half would be a nightmare. Teams wouldn't know if they have to hold over their flights until the last day and getting them reworked at the last minute seems all but impossible.

Asking those same students to take more time off of school again at the last minute prolly wouldn't fly with the administration.

Also getting volunteers who would be able to give the full week of time needed would be a daunting task in and of itself.

I do think that maybe something should be done so that the 2 winning alliances meet up at some point to determine an overall champion.

This seems like something for IRI to help with..... :)

Drakxii 04-12-2016 12:34 PM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1571811)
Champs webpage has better info:
2017 and Beyond

Highlights:
Champs will be on subsequent weekends, Houston then STL, Houston then Detroit. (First Champs, best Champs. (Also, poor Al, Jess, MCs, etc.))
This is the plan from 2017 - 2020.
No details on regional split or anything like that. One presumes FiM teams and others with DCMPs in Week 7 likely won't be heading to Houston Champs in Week 8. Maybe HQ is going to compress some of the regions schedules to get them into the Houston Champs.

Last we have heard anything about how the venue assignment will happen was on March 4th.

http://www.firstinspires.org/robotic...s-march-4-2016

So either they are waiting to announce after champs (or during like they did with the split) or something went awry.

logank013 04-12-2016 12:41 PM

Re: Split Champs in '17 and '18
 
With 800 teams at two champs locations, I assume it will be 400 at each. In total, will they have 8 divisions with 100 each? or 16 with 50 each? or 12 with 67ish each? or another split up? Does anyone know for sure? thanks.


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