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FiM Informer 13-04-2016 00:27
[FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Welcome to the most anticipated district event of the season! The 2016 Michigan State Championship is the second most selective event all year (24.8% of Michigan teams made it vs. 19% of world teams to the Championship), and the second most selective MSC of all time (2014: 23.1%).

I’d be remiss if I didn’t discuss how this selectiveness has changed Michigan FRC history. There are 12 teams that have qualified for every MSC: 27, 33, 67, 70, 494, 503, 548, 573, 1718, 1918, 2337, and 2834 (3539 gets an honorable mention, having made it every year since their 2011 inception). This set dropped in size by 2 this year, with 245 and 469 failing to qualify. 245 will attend the Championship anyway due to a regional win, but the Guerrillas will be missed in both Grand Rapids and St. Louis.

The last time fewer than ¼ of Michigan teams had the opportunity to attend MSC, FiM found a new venue to hold more teams. With FRC in Michigan continuing to grow at a prodigious rate, FiM must be looking for the next location, although I can’t think of many locations that could fit an event of that magnitude (ideally 140+ teams with the capacity for more).

For now, we return to Grand Rapids, the Deltaplex, and its 102 teams. Many of these teams have already been through the ringer. 48 of them will enter the elimination rounds, and 3 will emerge victorious. Lots of teams will come in feeling confident, and for most that’ll be snuffed out. A full ⅓ of the field (37 teams) has been the captain or 1st pick of a district champion alliance. That expands to 67 teams if you include all the captains and 1st picks of finalist alliances. No amount of accolades or medals can carry you through the Michigan State Championship. My strategy tips won’t carry you either, but maybe they’ll help.

Qualification Strategy

This section is pretty obvious because MSC-quality teams are pretty good. The breach is a given. With relatively little defense, captures will be crazy common. These assertions are supported by the aggregated TBA Insights data from the past three weeks of Michigan events as well as the three District Championships last weekend. As a region, PNW is probably similar to Michigan in strength (due to the crazy growth in Michigan the past few years). However, MSC is a much more selective district championship (25% vs 40%). Still, they're the closest point of comparison.

Most teams have preferred shooting modes (low or high, location), and they’ll stay with those throughout quals. Teams with a choice between going high and low will want to adjust accordingly to ensure the capture. With captures being common, winning the match will have more importance to seeding here than at any other event (even CMP). Still, even if captures were guaranteed in every match, there would still only be as much quals defense as a regular W-L-T seeding game.

Playoff Strategy

Strategy in elims has gotten more and more complicated throughout the season. There’s no single key to winning, no one piece of advice I can give you. In my search for answers I looked at the differences between district champion alliances and finalist alliances. At most events, the finals are competitive, and the finalists could have won if things had fallen their way.

I took a close look at how the performances of the alliances changed from the quarter/semifinals to the finals. Champion alliances averaged 7.87 balls and 46% capture rate prior to finals and 7.87 balls and 47% capture rate in the finals. Basically, they did exactly the same. Finalist alliances, however, dropped from 7.04 to 6.19 balls and 33% to 19% capture rate. What’s the takeaway? The best alliances are unaffected by any opponents and seem to avoid problems of random chance.

Finalist alliances typically have hit some critical pitfall. At East Kentwood, 2474 had a pair of drivetrain failures that knocked them out. At Woodhaven, 27 had a number of uncharacteristic misses (which you’d blame on defense, but they looked to have 50 lb on their defender). Maybe the most mind-boggling was the 40 points of fouls racked up by the Troy finalists in two matches. Once you add in the finals tortuga in Lansing, you start to get the picture. Winners avoid failures of all kinds.

If you’re an alliance captain, your choice for first pick will be driven by very conventional statistics/scoring output. Once you make it back for the second pick, however, you’ll have lots of similarly good choices (although likely as not no diamond in the rough like 3098 last year). In this case more than any other, you need to avoid failures from all your alliance members. If you’re not already scouting tortugas and robot failures (times when a robot ends a match unable to drive), you’re going to be behind your peers. Additionally, you’ve got to get a rock solid auton. Every team at MSC has the ability to score balls, but your third team has to be able to defend too, and be able to transition from one to the other when necessary. In some ways, the third team needs to play smarter than the top two bots, paying more attention to the clock and the score (not that I have any great suggestions for scouting this.. Maybe make potential partners’ coaches take IQ tests).

Power Rankings

As in previous years, I’ve polled 13 individuals, Michigan’s foremost experts as well as a few guest voters. Voters ranked their top 15 teams. Those teams were allotted points based on their ranks, with points decreasing from 18 points for a #1 ranking going down exponentially to 6 points for a #15 ranking (yes, this is pretty arbitrary). Here are the results:

Team (First place votes) - Points - Commentary
  1. 33 (7) - 204 - There’s not much to say about the Bees. They excel at every facet of the game (with the exception of a great shooting auton). They’re fast, they grab the ball well, they score the ball well, and they go up at the end of the match real quick. Everybody else has a ways to go to catch up.
  2. 67 (1) - 185 - The new shooter isn’t 100% but it very well might be at MSC. They’ve got a nice scale too, but after that, I think this ranking has a tinge of hype. Despite winning both of their events, HOT has weaknesses, including their strong preference for shooting from the (most easily defended) middle batter ramp.
  3. 3357 (1) - 182 - The best of the west, the COMETS have a linkage arguably even more fun than 33’s intake. It’s a clever design that likely locks them into their midrange shooting position, but they shoot fast enough that it might not even matter.
  4. 3620 (2) - 174 - In some ways the Joes are a robot in the same mold as the Bees, but they trade in scaling for an effective auton shot.
  5. 2771 (2) - 171 - Code Red set the world high score at East Kentwood, then tried moving their shot back to the outer works at Ann Arbor. It wasn’t a home run, but they picked up a blue banner and will keep working on it.
  6. 27 - 139 - RUSH checks in as the first tall bot on this list (is it just me or do they look like a yellow 1241?). Thwarted in the finals of 2 out of 3 events, they’ll hope to dial in their shots and pair with somebody small and speedy to compensate for their own leisurely pace.
  7. 2767 - 116 - Twice above average partners for the Average Joes, 2767 hopes to get out of that shadow and make their mark. If Stryke Force can find a way to pair with another outer works shooter, they’d make a nearly undefendable alliance.
  8. 85 - 113 - BOB is another team that’s been working on hitting the outer works shot. They’ve also got more medals this year than any other team in Michigan, having earned all four medalled awards (Champs, Finalists, CA, EI).
  9. 107 - 109 - 107 got the result you always want at West Michigan, where they knocked off the #1 alliance for the district win. However, they suffered accuracy problems and will hope to improve in that area.
  10. 2834 - 105 - They’ve got an accurate vision-targeted shot, but it’s from midrange and not tremendously fast. Have to imagine a good defender would wreak havoc if they don’t move that shot forward or back.
  • Honorable Mentions (more than 70 pts): 1023, 1918, 2054

Arhowk 13-04-2016 00:40
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
We may only be 75th in the state after two disappointing quarterfinal rounds, but I promise that our first ever MSC elimination performance will be one to remember. (well, maybe. Unfortunately, 7 kids can't do a whole lot)

Quote:
but the Guerrillas will be missed in both Grand Rapids and St. Louis.
Yeah, from what I heard they lost a few good mentors but I hope that this season will be a learning experience for the more motivated students on the team to learn what it is like to lose and come back next season ready to outperform their former selves.

Jim Schaddelee 13-04-2016 08:56
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" 107 got the result you always want at West Michigan, where they knocked off the #1 alliance for the district win. However, they suffered accuracy problems and will hope to improve in that area."


First, thanks for the great insight on the MSC. It is great when mentioned and motivating when not, it always a win win. Our team accuracy problem had more to do with the boulder going through one side and out the other, which I think we have fixed. Our bigger problem was the speed in which are arm would raise, also fixed. These were simple fixes. So, with a few week from our last competition team 107 decided to " hang out" and make some improvement to the end game.


https://youtu.be/llLjAPCKATc

JackN 13-04-2016 09:53
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
A few things have really stood out to me this season within the state and they are all sort of tied together. I have been really impressed by the emergence of a few of the younger teams from the west side and northern areas of the state and how it appears to have shifted the balance of power from the Southeast Michigan teams. 3357, 3620, 2771, among others have really emerged this season and have really pushed the region to improve by leaps and bounds. I think this improvement will really play out at MSC. Last season I thought the move to expand the event left it pretty diluted and I think there was a little bit of a drop off in quality in the back half of the draft at the event. This season that will definitely not exist. There are going to be some VERY strong teams falling to the bottom alliances on the draft.

The increase in districts has really helped raise the bar of the second tier of teams. Where before some of the younger teams would go years without ever getting the chance to captain an alliance, adding so many events has given these teams more chances to improve and learn the intricacies of playing deep into eliminations. Learning how to win is an important skill for teams to develop and they are getting more and more chances to do so. This is going to play out with a bunch of new teams captaining alliances at the state. The ones that can correctly identify how the eliminations will play out and adjust their alliances accordingly will be rewarded.

Richard Wallace 13-04-2016 10:02
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Schaddelee (Post 1572376)
107 decided to "hang out" and make some improvement to the end game.

https://youtu.be/llLjAPCKATc
Very nice jam!

James Juncker 16-04-2016 00:45
[FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Hmm so 2834 has a slow vision tracking shot huh... I'd like to say that no, we aren't using vision tracking in teleop and secondly we had proven that we can move our shot around and finally, did I mention that auton works now ;) should be interesting to see how the predictions match up!


2012 - member of 2834
2013 - electrical and mechanical function
2014 - driver, mechanical, and drivetrain
2015 - driver, drivetrain, mechanical knot tying
2016 - captain, mechanical, drivetrain

Arhowk 16-04-2016 06:28
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Juncker (Post 1573738)
Hmm so 2834 has a slow vision tracking shot huh... Personally I'd say that no, we aren't using vision tracking in teleop and secondly we had proven that we can move our shot around and finally, how is 8 balls on our own slow again? Last I checked that's just as fast as code red and comets in the world record match, did I mention that auton works now ;) should be interesting to see how the predictions match up!


2012 - member of 2834
2013 - electrical and mechanical function
2014 - driver, mechanical, and drivetrain
2015 - driver, drivetrain, mechanical knot tying
2016 - captain, mechanical, drivetrain
One match means nothing. In one match my 5460 kids cycled 10 by themselves. Doesn't mean they cycle 10 every match

FIMAlumni 16-04-2016 08:31
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
There are so many amazing and close teams at MSC this year I'm going to make a bold prediction. The MSC Winners we be from a double digit alliance (10-16)

Arhowk 16-04-2016 08:32
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Doubt it. Only possible way is 33 and 67 since 2767 will pick 27

E/ totally misread that.

Still doubt it. So many good teams

FIMAlumni 16-04-2016 09:36
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhowk (Post 1573800)
Doubt it. Only possible way is 33 and 67 since 2767 will pick 27

E/ totally misread that.

Still doubt it. So many good teams
The amount of high level teams is why I think it will happen. Those back end alliances are going to get extremely impressive second picks.

Kevin Leonard 16-04-2016 11:06
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FIMAlumni (Post 1573804)
The amount of high level teams is why I think it will happen. Those back end alliances are going to get extremely impressive second picks.
I don't know if that matters all that much.
A high seeded Alliance might not get the best offensive robot of the bunch, but they can sure pick up a strong defensive one no matter where they are in the draft.

Doug Frisk 16-04-2016 12:33
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FiM Informer (Post 1572284)
Welcome to the most anticipated district event of the season! The 2016 Michigan State Championship is the second most selective event all year (24.8% of Michigan teams made it vs. 19% of world teams to the Championship), and the second most selective MSC of all time (2014: 23.1%).
30 of 208 Minnesota teams are invited to the Minnesota state championships this year. That's 14.4%

Knufire 16-04-2016 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1573831)
30 of 208 Minnesota teams are invited to the Minnesota state championships this year. That's 14.4%
I'm pretty sure that FiM Informer was referring to in-season events.

ATannahill 16-04-2016 12:54
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
MSC Alliance selection results

Code:
1  2767    33  1684
2    27    67  1718
3  4003  1023  5114
4  5150  5460  2137
5  5980  2771  2054
6  4967  1918  3546
7    70  107  3665
8  3620  3357  3604
9  2474  4362  5448
10  494  3534  3770
11  5050  3641  1250
12  5053    85  2834
13  4391  3602  2586
14  3688  5505    74
15  573  3098  503
16  5048  548  217
No declines

The 25th seed became an alliance captain.

Doug Frisk 16-04-2016 13:15
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Octofinal? Shouldn't it be something like sesunciafinal.

Octo is 8, sesuncia is 1/8.

Semifinal, Quarterfinal, Sesunciafinal. Of course the next level would be semisesunciafinal which is a bit of a mouthful.

Apparently octofinal is what they use at the North American Debating Championships which means that this matter must be up for debate.

Basel A 16-04-2016 13:31
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Code:
1  2767    33  1684 W
2    27    67  1718 F
3  4003  1023  5114 QF
4  5150  5460  2137 QF
5  5980  2771  2054 SF
6  4967  1918  3546 SF
7    70  107  3665 OF
8  3620  3357  3604 QF
9  2474  4362  5448 OF
10  494  3534  3770 QF
11  5050  3641  1250 OF
12  5053    85  2834 OF
13  4391  3602  2586 OF
14  3688  5505    74 OF
15  573  3098  503 OF
16  5048  548  217 OF
Some predictions above.. 6 and 8 have very legit chances of winning, but 1 and 2 in the finals are more likely.

Arhowk 16-04-2016 14:59
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Mostly agree with above, though I think 5460s alliance should be able to get out of quarters (though I am a bit biased :D)

flippy147852 16-04-2016 16:21
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1573852)
Code:
1  2767    33  1684 W
2    27    67  1718 F
3  4003  1023  5114 QF
4  5150  5460  2137 QF
5  5980  2771  2054 SF
6  4967  1918  3546 SF
7    70  107  3665 OF
8  3620  3357  3604 QF
9  2474  4362  5448 OF
10  494  3534  3770 QF
11  5050  3641  1250 OF
12  5053    85  2834 OF
13  4391  3602  2586 OF
14  3688  5505    74 OF
15  573  3098  503 OF
16  5048  548  217 OF
Some predictions above.. 6 and 8 have very legit chances of winning, but 1 and 2 in the finals are more likely.
So much for that, 16 upsets 1 in 3 matches :eek: :eek: :eek:

Doug Frisk 16-04-2016 16:22
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Whoa!

Congratulations on 5048-548-217 on the upset. Don't think anyone expected that.

Arhowk 16-04-2016 16:40
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1573918)
Whoa!

Congratulations on 5048-548-217 on the upset. Don't think anyone expected that.

I said that our first msc elimination performance wouldn't be forgotten.

I'm not wrong.

waialua359 16-04-2016 17:03
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
With a field this deep, being a higher seed can be a disadvantage. That 3rd robot is more important than ever in this year's game.

Ty Tremblay 16-04-2016 17:08
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 1573927)
With a field this deep, being a higher seed can be a disadvantage. That 3rd robot is more important than ever in this year's game.
Especially when there are 16 alliances

waialua359 16-04-2016 17:15
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ty Tremblay (Post 1573928)
Especially when there are 16 alliances
Totally agree.
Champs will be interesting to see.
I would predict very little #1 seeds getting to Einstein.
The fields wont be as deep with 8 divisions and unless the higher seeds can get a good 3rd robot, it wont be enough.

*Exceptions being one of the very few powerhouse teams.

Arhowk 16-04-2016 17:24
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
There was nothing wrong with the alliance. Both 1684 and 33 missed their climbs. (Also, our freshman driver had never played defense before in his life ::rtm:: )

Christopher149 16-04-2016 19:33
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
HOT, Rush, and Fighting Pi (27, 67, 1718) just got a new world high score of 230 in a SF tie breaker match.

Edit: Apparently the score is higher and TBA hasn't updated yet. Well, 230 is the high score for MSC, at least.

Arhowk 16-04-2016 19:34
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1573957)
HOT, Rush, and Fighting Pi (27, 67, 1718) just got a new world high score of 230 in a SF tie breaker match.
The current high score is above 250

Also, I told you my sophomore boys were going farther than quarters...

100% accuracy today

Christopher149 16-04-2016 19:35
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arhowk (Post 1573958)
The current high score is above 250

Also, I told you my sophomore boys were going farther than quarters...

100% accuracy today
Oops... TBA hasn't updated. Edited post to reflect this.

Edit: And did the stream go offline for everyone?

Doug Frisk 16-04-2016 19:38
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher149 (Post 1573959)
Oops... TBA hasn't updated. Edited post to reflect this.

Edit: And did the stream go offline for everyone?
It's dead for me.

Bob Steele 16-04-2016 19:41
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Same here... dead going into finals

FIMAlumni 16-04-2016 19:43
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Very Choppy stream, but robozone is still up http://www.robozonetv.com/live-stream

Edit: Stream is back up, but robozone is a good backup if it goes down again.

Doug Frisk 16-04-2016 20:10
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Interesting recall on that first finals match. As it was described it should have been a field fault. If the ref panel failed that's a field fault.

TheOwlOfTruth 16-04-2016 20:47
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Congrats to 27, 67, 1718, and 6086 on a hard-fought win! This entire event has been crazy competitive, kudos to them for a good win.

Basel A 16-04-2016 21:20
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Easily the best MSC finals since 2010 (maybe ever). Congrats to the champions! Incredible matches in every round

Arhowk 16-04-2016 21:42
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Dang.

We accidentally shot when we were about to climb and it messed up the extension of the arm.

Funny that both the team that I'm on and the team that I mentor got knocked out due to failed climbs.

Oh well, 5460 the silver kings (0-4). Congratulations to 27, 67, and 1718

Josh Fox 16-04-2016 22:30
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1573978)
Interesting recall on that first finals match. As it was described it should have been a field fault. If the ref panel failed that's a field fault.
As I understood it, it wasn't a failure of the tablet, but a failure of FMS to register what the tablet said. I'm no expert on the system, but is that not similar to when real-time scoring fails? They don't call field faults for those.

Carl C 16-04-2016 22:33
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Fox (Post 1574051)
...is that not similar to when real-time scoring fails? They don't call field faults for those.
They did in NE this weekend. I am not entirely sure, but I think whether to redo the match or not in that case is up to the head referee's discretion.

Doug Frisk 16-04-2016 22:40
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl C (Post 1574053)
They did in NE this weekend. I am not entirely sure, but I think whether to redo the match or not in that case is up to the head referee's discretion.
They also called a field fault in MI earlier today when one of the automated scorers failed.

Carl C 16-04-2016 22:41
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1574058)
They also called a field fault in MI earlier today when one of the automated scorers failed.
Maybe there is a difference between the automatic scorers and the human-operated scorers.

ATannahill 16-04-2016 23:08
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Wow, the fight for the last district point spot went down to the 6th tie-breaker and was awarded to the 76th ranked team.

AndrewPospeshil 16-04-2016 23:10
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl C (Post 1574060)
Maybe there is a difference between the automatic scorers and the human-operated scorers.
The problem wasn't with the human scorers. The defense was punched in to the ref's tablet, but the FMS somehow didn't register it. I don't think this is considered a field fault — I've never heard of this happening, actually. There WAS a fault with the ball counter in the tower (OF 2-15) and the match was replayed. I think Josh Fox is correct here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1574076)
Wow, the fight for the last district point spot went down to the 6th tie-breaker and was awarded to the 76th ranked team.
Holy crap. Could you explain a little further? Actually, do you (or does anyone) know where we can see the advancement scoring breakdown?

ATannahill 16-04-2016 23:19
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewPospeshil (Post 1574077)
The problem wasn't with the human scorers. The defense was punched in to the ref's tablet, but the FMS somehow didn't register it. I don't think this is considered a field fault — I've never heard of this happening, actually. There WAS a fault with the ball counter in the tower (OF 2-15) and the match was replayed. I think Josh Fox is correct here.



Holy crap. Could you explain a little further? Actually, do you (or does anyone) know where we can see the advancement scoring breakdown?
The breakdown of team's scores and who qualified is at http://frc-districtrankings.usfirst.org/2016/fim . The rules about the tiebreakers are in section 7 of the admin manual. Tie-breaker rules are in 7.4.2.4.

Basel A 17-04-2016 01:00
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewPospeshil (Post 1574077)
The problem wasn't with the human scorers. The defense was punched in to the ref's tablet, but the FMS somehow didn't register it. I don't think this is considered a field fault — I've never heard of this happening, actually. There WAS a fault with the ball counter in the tower (OF 2-15) and the match was replayed. I think Josh Fox is correct here.
In the case of the ball counter, I doubt they knew the exact number of balls missed. I think it was 6, but I'm not sure. With the missed crossing, that was definitely the only one missed, and we noticed it casually watching from the stands. Why replay when you can just correct the score?

JABot67 17-04-2016 13:28
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Since this seems to be the default thread for MSC-related topics (get on your game Michigan!!!) I wanted to ask how long we have to wait before the official televised coverage of the event is released! Ever since 2011, there has been an hour long broadcast covering the later playoff matches - usually seen on Detroit Public TV. I watched the live stream from RoboZone for a little bit yesterday, but the audio was very choppy. Will the coverage be coming from RoboZone or from DPTV, or both this year?

Hot_Copper_Frog 17-04-2016 13:33
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 1574273)
Since this seems to be the default thread for MSC-related topics (get on your game Michigan!!!) I wanted to ask how long we have to wait before the official televised coverage of the event is released! Ever since 2011, there has been an hour long broadcast covering the later playoff matches - usually seen on Detroit Public TV. I watched the live stream from RoboZone for a little bit yesterday, but the audio was very choppy. Will the coverage be coming from RoboZone or from DPTV, or both this year?
Next Sunday!

CalTran 17-04-2016 13:34
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 1574273)
Since this seems to be the default thread for MSC-related topics (get on your game Michigan!!!) I wanted to ask how long we have to wait before the official televised coverage of the event is released! Ever since 2011, there has been an hour long broadcast covering the later playoff matches - usually seen on Detroit Public TV. I watched the live stream from RoboZone for a little bit yesterday, but the audio was very choppy. Will the coverage be coming from RoboZone or from DPTV, or both this year?
I just hope if they post the video online again the audio isn't similarly choppy. I need my fix of Dave's analysis...

Arhowk 17-04-2016 13:42
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The stream was a different type of roboZone. The episode on Sunday will be the same style (recording, format, analysis, etc) as the district episodes were (to the best of my knowledge)

Josh Fox 17-04-2016 15:10
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
If anyone wants a lesson on how to play some intense defense in Stronghold, be sure to check out the jobs that both 6086 and 5150 did in the finals. The amount of disruption and havoc they handed out was absolutely game-changing.

I want to send a special thanks to our alliance partners. Thanks to 6086 for stepping in when we needed them most, and providing a performance that made a win possible. 1718 was, somehow, a sleeper that we were more than excited to pick up so late in the draft. 67, it's pretty wild to think that we've somehow never played in the elims together, maybe we should try it more often?

Thanks to all volunteers as well. Without you such great events simply aren't possible.

Craig Roys 17-04-2016 15:55
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Fox (Post 1574345)
If anyone wants a lesson on how to play some intense defense in Stronghold, be sure to check out the jobs that both 6086 and 5150 did in the finals. The amount of disruption and havoc they handed out was absolutely game-changing.

I want to send a special thanks to our alliance partners. Thanks to 6086 for stepping in when we needed them most, and providing a performance that made a win possible. 1718 was, somehow, a sleeper that we were more than excited to pick up so late in the draft. 67, it's pretty wild to think that we've somehow never played in the elims together, maybe we should try it more often?

Thanks to all volunteers as well. Without you such great events simply aren't possible.
Thanks for picking us! We were somewhat surprised we fell so far in the draft, but ecstatic with the alliance that picked us up. To be on an alliance with 2 legends was phenomenal! It was especially sweet to win our 1st State Championship with the team I got started with (RUSH). While it was painful to sit out the last 2 matches without being able to help control our fate, it was great to be able to pull up a team as good as 6086 to take over - you guys played tremendous defense!

I also want to thank all the volunteers - while no one was thrilled about how late everything ran, they had to stay even later to pack everything up. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication to putting on a great event.

Mike Schreiber 17-04-2016 16:01
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What a weekend. I had a blast. Winning MSC is a dream I've been chasing since 2009 and it felt so good to finally achieve that. Thanks to all the volunteers who made this event happen, to the sponsors who supported the event, and to FiM for putting on quite the show. I look forward to watching the 1 hour special coverage.

27 - 20+ years playing in MI without an alliance together? It finally happened! 3 years in a row in the finals at MSC and 2 wins speaks to the caliber of team that RUSH has really become. Thanks for selecting us. It was great to work with you again. I enjoyed winning with the same people I knew when I was a student and meeting the new ones that have helped the team become what it is today. The number of alumni you retain is remarkable.

1718 - What a steal of a pick, can't believe you were still there. You guys rocked and we would never have set the MI high score without your super accurate defense shot. I hope you can resolve your drive train issues for St. Louis.

6086 - Wow. You earned the win. What an phenomenal performance from a rookie team. When I heard Pi was out I thought it was over for us. So glad you proved me wrong.

5150 - Most consistent and clean defense I saw in the playoffs. You cut down our scoring like no one else could have without drawing the multitude of penalties so many other teams got. You put together an alliance that proved you have better scouting and sense of how the game will play out than many other teams your age.

5460 - I knew how awesome you guys were when I saw you put up 9 high goals in a qualifying match. What a fantastic robot. I'm glad I got a chance to talk to some of your mentors before alliance selection. You seem like you have it together and I look forward to seeing what comes out of your team in the future.

2137 - A gamble of a pick after the robot issues you faced in qualifying - but you pulled it off. When you're on you are on. And you killed it throughout the entire playoffs. Glad you were able to get everything together. Great performance.


Also congrats to Andrew Spiece - an award well deserved.

Huskie65 17-04-2016 22:37
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Originally Posted by Craig Roys (Post 1574371)
Thanks for picking us! We were somewhat surprised we fell so far in the draft, but ecstatic with the alliance that picked us up. To be on an alliance with 2 legends was phenomenal! It was especially sweet to win our 1st State Championship with the team I got started with (RUSH). While it was painful to sit out the last 2 matches without being able to help control our fate, it was great to be able to pull up a team as good as 6086 to take over - you guys played tremendous defense!

I also want to thank all the volunteers - while no one was thrilled about how late everything ran, they had to stay even later to pack everything up. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication to putting on a great event.
I was very surprised by some of the picking. Many teams (1718, 2834, and quite a few more) went much later then I anticipated. There were also teams not picked that I thought would (68, 1701, 3539, off the top of my head). I would love to see all the captains pick lists and see how the scouting differs from team to team. How high was 1718 on 27+67's list?

Josh Fox 17-04-2016 22:51
Re: [FiM] Michigan State Championship Preview
 
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Originally Posted by Huskie65 (Post 1574548)
How high was 1718 on 27+67's list?
I'll just say we certainly felt they would be gone in the first round. They might have had a couple mishaps Friday, but Thursday, most of Friday, and Saturday morning showed they were an extremely effective robot, and their contributions to help get us to the finals won't be forgotten.

And on 6086's behalf, we would've been very happy to grab them as a third partner if the rest of the draft had unfolded a bit differently as well.

Gutherie88 18-04-2016 09:51
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I have to say the amount of talent at this competition was stellar and the entire competition was full of excitement. I am still very surprised that there were no more upsets in the playoffs besides the one big and obvious one.

The ranking system seemed to carry a lot of teams towards the top and also push a lot of talented teams deep in the rankings. This made scouting more important then any other year before and made alliance selection very very interesting to watch.

Congrats to 27, 67, 1718, and 6086 on a fantastic win!


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