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dtengineering 14-04-2016 02:01

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
While it is always difficult for a #8 seed to knock off the #1 seed (it is, after all, meant to be that way...), I'd argue that it is MORE likely to happen at Championships than in a regional due to the depth of outstanding teams.

If there are only a half-dozen 'powerhouse' teams at a regional, they're all gone by the time the fourth or fifth alliance gets to choose their first pick, but if you've got a couple dozen awesome machines in a division, then the #8 captain will have plenty to choose from.

I'll repeat however... not easy. Just, perhaps, easier.

Jason

Peter Matteson 14-04-2016 10:00

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alephzer0 (Post 1572670)
I bet this isn't the only example of an 8 seed that not only won its division, but also on Einstein.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratdude747 (Post 1572842)
Shoot, if you go back further, the 2007 winners started as the #8 alliance on their field.

It can/has happened :D

With 8 divisions and the #1 seed getting to pick their back up first I'm not sure that the depth of championship divisions is what it was in years past, or the 8th alliance can pick a strong enough team from that position.

I think the best chance is a team that people don't want to play with seeding #1.

CalTran 14-04-2016 10:08

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 1572987)
I think the best chance is a team that people don't want to play with seeding #1.

Do I smell something burning? ;)

Peter Matteson 14-04-2016 10:13

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1572993)
Do I smell something burning? ;)

It happens every few years.

Jacob Paikoff 14-04-2016 17:13

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1572730)

Take 254, for example. I'd bet my money that they'll be on one of the top 3 alliances in their division at worst. .

254 was the number 1 seed in their Division last year, how'd that work out for them.

It happened last year, see above, 2014, 2012, 2009*, and 2007* twice.

With 8 divisions and 8 #1 seeds I would say the odds are pretty good it happens again.

*Fun fact, 79 upset #1 seeds twice while I was a student on the team, 2007 and 2009.

PayneTrain 14-04-2016 17:15

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Paikoff (Post 1573224)
254 was the number 1 seed in their Division last year, how'd that work out for them.

It happened last year, see above, 2014, 2012, 2009*, and 2007* twice.

With 8 divisions and 8 #1 seeds I would say the odds are pretty good it happens again.

*Fun fact, 79 upset #1 seeds twice while I was a student on the team, 2007 and 2009.

Do you have a death wish?

CalTran 14-04-2016 17:18

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Paikoff (Post 1573224)
254 was the number 1 seed in their Division last year, how'd that work out for them.

The Poofs definitely had every single right to be the #1 seed last year, and were more knocked out by incredibly ill timed visits from Murphy than anything.

Michael Corsetto 14-04-2016 17:19

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Paikoff (Post 1573224)
254 was the number 1 seed in their Division last year, how'd that work out for them.

Worked out pretty well for them in 2014...

Jacob Paikoff 14-04-2016 17:33

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1573230)
The Poofs definitely had every single right to be the #1 seed last year, and were more knocked out by incredibly ill timed visits from Murphy than anything.

Totally agree, didn't saw they didn't deserve to be there, in fact I would say they were far and away the best team in that division last year.

Just citing it as a good example that regardless of seed anything can happen at champs.

Caleb Sykes 14-04-2016 17:40

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1573230)
The Poofs definitely had every single right to be the #1 seed last year, and were more knocked out by incredibly ill timed visits from Murphy than anything.

It wasn't Murphy, it was the Carson curse.

llamadon 14-04-2016 18:26

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
In regards to the op, I can see this being valid, the 8th seed gets a more level distribution of robot ability available to them, and having solid picks for all the members of an alliance makes a difference. Depending on the depth of the division, and the luck of the eighth seed it certainly is possible. An example of this that I enjoy is 2012 Galileo quarters.

8 takes 1 in three matches.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2012gal_qf1m1
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2012gal_qf1m2
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2012gal_qf1m3

Teams that scout effectively at champs are going to have a huge upper hand. There are going to be a lot of robots that go under the radar, and in this year more than others I believe there will be upsets at champs.

jajabinx124 15-04-2016 00:09

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1572993)
Do I smell something burning? ;)

I think I smell it too.. some scorched earth :P

Nuwanda 17-04-2016 17:29

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
If the 16th alliance can knock out the 1st alliance at the FIM District Championship, anything can happen. This game is one that a single robot cannot win by itself. The entire alliance needs to be working together to do well. If you put together the most well rounded alliance, upsets won't be uncommon.

GaryVoshol 17-04-2016 20:42

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuwanda (Post 1574410)
If the 16th alliance can knock out the 1st alliance at the FIM District Championship ...

During my meeting with alliance captains, I use an example to explain how red/blue bumpers move through the brackets. If Alliance 8 (16 at MSC) should happen to beat Alliance 1, the upset winners "inherit" the red bumper color. I swear, I was not being prophetic!

the_godfaubel 02-05-2016 09:51

Re: Can a 8th seed knock off a 1st seed at champs?
 
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Originally Posted by the_godfaubel (Post 1572682)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it will happen (#BoldPredictions).

*Mic drop* :cool:

Also made it to Einstein


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