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Side note, the extra matches at the regionals are really hard on our robot and we are iterating designs for durability (and reparability). 56 matches and counting at three events... |
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I can also see why it could cause some logistical issues and why Districts may be hesitant to allow the points portability. The question becomes exactly how you do the registration. The District's top priority should be to ensure that teams within their boarder are able to play at an event in their boarder. The number of spaces/events they plan for are based on the number of teams in their area. So do you make teams that want to travel wait until 3rd event registration? Now it seems that they will still want to register for 2 events in their home district and then hope they find a spot later. Do some of those teams then drop one of their home events because they only wanted to play two? Is one district overwhelmed by teams that want to visit while another has trouble filling an event because the teams they expected to want to attend an event go outside the district? Points portability does eliminate the possibility of teams getting a practice event before or between their events that count. Currently teams can buy a practice event at an early event in another district. I feel that is counter to the spirit of the District system which I believe is partially intended to level the playing field between the well funded teams and those that are not well funded. However it is still better than the Regional system where the teams that can afford another $4000 entry fee and potentially travel costs get to buy a second chance at qualifying for CMP. So like anything there are pros and cons to either choice. I was an early supporter of points portability, but I do think there may need to be a little more discussion on exactly how it should work to ensure that it doesn't cause a lot of headaches for the district organizers. I also don't want to see a team pushed out of an event in their own District to accommodate a team from another District. So I'm still a supporter of points portability with the reservation that it needs to be carefully thought out to avoid the potential problems. |
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Another I see, kids missing more school (6 days in April). CHS should have more Sat. Sun. events. Agree with volunteer burnout, maybe not this year but when? |
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Also kids are at the Engineering & Science expo in DC this week. While I suggested the trip after a visit 2 years ago, it falls during a tough time robotics wise. |
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I would vote district again and again. The level of competitive robots in NC has skyrocketed as a result of the change. It used to be that most teams in NC would register for the regional, play their 8 games, and then that was it if they did poorly plus they had very little time to learn and adjust. With a significant number of newer teams in the state, the regional model was difficult at best at producing competitive teams year after year. Not only that, teams from outside the state were coming in and getting a lot of the awards in the regional model because they had far more experience and resources than the majority of the teams in NC.
It took 2 years for a single NC team to win the NC Regional and that was 3506 during our rookie year as a last pick and we were aligned with two out of state teams....it was not by our own doing at all. That goes to say that it is now less competitive in the NC district model yet it is helping NC to be more competitive and I am curious to see what happens in years to come when this model produces some powerhouse teams and we flip the idea on its back that NC is not competitive. With more plays, these teams get some time in between events to soak in information, make adjustments that they never had the chance to do, and it put them on the same level as the teams who could afford multiple plays in other regionals previously. I saw teams turn bricks into winning robots and I could feel the change, the energy, and the results were clear in that these teams were collectively better than they ever were before in the regional model. We went to the NC&GA regionals last year and NC&OH regionals the year before that. 6 hour and 8 hour drives respectively outside of the NC state regional. In districts both of our first qualifying events were 1.5 hours away and our third competition that did not count for district points was 3 hours away. State Championships was in our home town. This was absurdly cheaper and easier for us and we got more than twice as many matches out of it than our 4 previous regionals and Championship plays combined. I think the change is immensely helpful and it will give NC an Einstein winning robot that it has not had since 2004. |
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I would love to hear from some of the people who voted I prefer the Regional System, and who have actually participated in the District system, why they prefer the Regional System or what they do not like about the District system.
That was my intention with the thread and poll, to create an open discussion for students and mentors to relate their experiences, give their preferences and reasons, whether it is Pro District or Pro Regional. |
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I have updated my attachment in post #6. I will continue to update as things come to me as a pro or con for Districts or Regionals.
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Inter-District play is quite the can of worms. You have to answer a lot of tough questions and depending on the responses, you have to execute annoying solutions. "How much does equity matter in swapping for OOD spots? Should we re-evaluate how we award the CCAs at district events?" I think the model would benefit from requiring that you a) play at least one event in your home system and b) any 2 events in your home system will be your points earning events, regardless of your OOD event. Teams should be able to indicate interest in playing outside of your district system upon registration. Teams should then rank whichever events (or maybe just systems) in a preference order. Then the district systems can come out and say something like "CHS will be swapping 5 spots with NC and MAR, 2 with NE, and 2 with IN" based on the MUTUAL interest of inter-district play or something like that. For CCAs, maybe consider awarding up to 2 EI and up to X DCAs per event, or whatever the district system allows for its final allocation? I don't know what to do. I don't feel like it should be as simple as tearing down the walls and having an open season because it might cause some weird things to happen in the points. For instance, I'm pretty sure 238 would have qualified for NC states with their sole event in Asheville... |
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