Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1580246)

Then you can get off your butt and help clean up the mess they made. I'm not doing it this year!

Originally Posted by TheModMaster8 (Post 1580444)

If your company cant see past the hormones of KIDS and see the value that these kids have learned and done, then there is a bigger problem then what you're complaining (for lack of a better word) about

Originally Posted by TheModMaster8 (Post 1580441)

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"but you don't have a right to tell those of us who are not on your team to stop because you find it disrespectful or immature." Was me giving you a fact which can also be taken as telling you.
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Originally Posted by gblake (Post 1580463)

Sure he does. It takes a village.

No one is supposed to be throwing anything at other people (bystanders) in the dome. Where-o-where did you ever get the notion into your head that anything else was correct?

If you want to plant your flag of rebellion/independence, you should pick a more important subject - Preferably one in which civility, local regulations, and laws are on your side; or one in which a great injustice needs to be corrected - This subject is neither.

Blake

Originally Posted by TheModMaster8 (Post 1580444)

I have, every year Ive gone to worlds... extensively, Ive also been hit, have hit some else and made apologies and stopped when asked, even though they where more then angry at me. not because of authority but rather a moral code I've instilled in myself when it would have been much easier to reply in an unfit manner.


If your company cant see past the hormones of KIDS and see the value that these kids have learned and done, then there is a bigger problem then what you're complaining (for lack of a better word) about

Originally Posted by TheModMaster8 (Post 1580468)

Who ever said throwing them at people? as far as I'm aware, it is to get the airplane to go the furthest, it just turns out that a lot of people suck at making airplanes. By what authority were you given to say that your stance on a matter is correct? were do you get off calling me or anyone else that partakes in this action rebellious. I personally have not seen nor heard FIRST request/ prohibit people to stop. so technically the rules would are on my side, as you are trying to enforce a none existent rule onto others because you find the act distasteful,

Originally Posted by TheModMaster8 (Post 1580468)

... I ... wont force my opinions down your throat. ...

Originally Posted by TheModMaster8 (Post 1580444)

If your company cant see past the hormones of KIDS and see the value that these kids have learned and done, then there is a bigger problem then what you're complaining (for lack of a better word) about

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1580501)

You'll pardon me for saying this, but when you throw from any level of the dome, there are people below you, am I not correct? I do realize that you're not throwing AT those people, but you are most certainly throwing TOWARDS those people, and the fact that they are below you makes your paper airplane much more dangerous. And the fact that you're throwing towards people and cannot aim once you've released your projectile means that you may as well be throwing at them.

Additionally, you might not have heard it, but Frank (Director of FRC) has posted on the FRC blog in the past to not do it, AND some of my team has told me that there was an announcement yesterday. Whether you pay attention to those announcements or not, it has been announced, at very high levels of FRC. The rules of FRC might not have been updated, but they are rather not on your side here.

I believe that uncivil behavior is, in fact, a card-grade penalty (after a talk with appropriate officials, that is). Should, of course, throwing paper airplanes be regarded as uncivil behavior (depending on timing, it's a minimum of disrespectful), and should, of course, the throwers be identified, then that's what they can expect.

Originally Posted by FRC's Frank

Paper airplanes – I was on the fence about listing this one, because it could be considered minor, but decided to. We saw a significant increase in the number of paper airplanes being thrown during closing. They are beautiful in flight, but once they touch the ground, they turn to trash – an eyesore that someone needs to pick up. I recognize that throwing paper airplanes is fun, and that folks in the stands don’t have much to do while waiting for ceremonies to start, but as a community I think we are not leaving a positive impression with this. - See more at:

Originally Posted by marshall (Post 1580504)

So yeah, it's minor but it's still a problem... and if I've learned anything in my time in FRC it's that ChiefDelphi is the best place to discuss minor problems with highly opinionated people. ;)

Originally Posted by hrench (Post 1576182)

Actually, I'm a mentor that doesn't think this is that big of deal.

Yes, airplanes shouldn't be thrown when important things are happening and they shouldn't have anything but paper in them. But certainly they're not more dangerous than great big beach balls that routinely hit people in the head.

Paper airplanes are
1. an engineering competition
2. a social activity
3. a science demonstration.

I could go on. They're fun.

Yes, we could be staring into our cell phones instead. I prefer this.

Also, yes, OK, it's a big mess. Especially if people bring paper just for this, but in my experience it's been mostly paper from scouting reports, safety 'posters' and re-used paper and I'm mostly unfolding someone else's airplanes and making better ones. First isn't noted for being terribly green. And if you're re-folding planes, then you're 'reusing' right? The stadium-world is used to cleaning up huge messes after every event.

I'm not sure about this, but I suspect the people that have to clean these up are employees of the stadium, paid by the hour. They'll have to sweep the floor anyway, so sweeping airplanes isn't that much of a big deal. This actually gives them more work, hence more money. I doubt you'll hear them complaining if this is correct. Better than sweeping up beer bottles after a football game.

When I read the title 'being proactive' I thought this string would be about looking up and practicing actual airplane designs that are good, that win contests. Not just the boring barely-works dart planes most of you are throwing.

Yes, I mentor in paper airplane design too.

And if the people in charge want it to stop, and say so, I'll go along, but that wouldn't be my preference.