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MikLast 19-04-2016 16:07

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 1575523)
MCs should have been required to wear medieval apparel and complete a course in either juggling or fire-breathing.

Everything else was pretty great.

PNW has you covered

Duncan Macdonald 19-04-2016 16:21

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
Not specific to Stronghold but I'd allow playoff alliances to have the option of choosing which team they would like in each driver's station for sight-line reasons.

This should a be relatively trivial addition since championship alliances can already choose which teams they use on a match by match basis.

MooreteP 19-04-2016 16:37

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by IKE (Post 1575546)
DOGMA...

I like the warning, but please no automated penalties....

I think it was called DAWGMA.

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Originally Posted by wazateer1 (Post 1575561)
Also, I would have removed the brattice. I don't know about anyone elses experience, but I haven't seen it used once.

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Originally Posted by Hitchhiker 42 (Post 1575588)
195 at the Hartford District event used it. I'm not sure why, but it was really interesting seeing them pick up from something not many have done. Maybe for proof of concept?

They used it because their intake mechanism was damaged.
This was the only way that they could still load boulders into their Robot.
They said that they had used this workaround before.
As I noted in my GA commentary, I had never seen it used before. I referred to the Brattice as the Litter (noodle) Chute of 2016. Rarely used, but in a pinch....

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Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1575601)
Not specific to Stronghold but I'd allow elimination alliances to have the option of choosing which team they would like in each driver's station for sight-line reasons.

It's Playoffs, not Elims, or Eliminations.
Also, it's Worlds or the CMP, not Nationals.
(Sorry, just something that my OCD has issues with)

TheBoulderite 19-04-2016 16:42

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
I would create the game so that one of the field volunteers must don a dragon costume and run around on the field during the match. In order to slay the dragon, alliances must hit the dragon with a boulder eight times. They can cooperate to do so. After the eighth boulder, the dragon must fall down on the field and the alliances must race to drive to the fallen dragon and play defense to prevent the other alliance from taking the dragon. At the end of the match, whichever alliance is closer to the dragon will receive either 4 RPs in qualifications or 50 points in eliminations.

Josh Fox 19-04-2016 16:59

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by MooreteP (Post 1575609)
I think it was called DAWGMA.

DOGMA - "Delay of Game Management Algorithm"

Thanks to team 604 for hosting the 2010 game manual.

jvriezen 19-04-2016 17:10

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by Drakxii (Post 1575532)
Sorry remember the rule wrong, it still should be a larger overlap then 1 inch.

Since bumpers are 5" +- 1/2", two bots with 4.5" bumpers placed high/low respectively could have 0" of overlap.

techhelpbb 19-04-2016 17:10

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
Animatronic dragon with pyrotechnics.

MooreteP 19-04-2016 17:15

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 

MooreteP 19-04-2016 17:16

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by Josh Fox (Post 1575619)
DOGMA - "Delay of Game Management Algorithm"

Sorry, confused by Lil Lavery. :-)

CloakAndDagger 19-04-2016 17:27

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by DareDad (Post 1575582)
Building a tall robot doesn't mean you'll be tipped either. There are plenty of examples where it seems the intent was to jostle a robot to mess with its aim, but the robot tipped.


What would your opinion be on the flip in this video then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cReB8jw-ccI
We were defending them too hard, and as a result as soon as one robot drove underneath our bumpers and got us up, they both kept hitting us until 3536 made a concerted effort, and we fell over. This was not a result of us being too top heavy, or accidental hits from opponents, but a clear, sustained effort to flip and incapacitate our robot, which irreparably bent our arm, requiring us to punch a new one out before worlds.
I say that it was intentional not only because of what the video shows, but also one of the FTA's claims to have heard their drive coach yelling "Flip them".
We are lucky enough to have great sponsors, one of those being Russels Technical Products, who allows us to get custom-made aluminum and steel parts for reduced prices, but imagine if this had been a new team. Our traveling costs for St Louis are nuts, as are many other team's, and new teams or teams with less sponsors could very well have been permanently crippled because of lack of funds to both make it to competition and make new parts. And you want to make it legal to flip.

This was not an accident, not a misunderstanding, and not in the spirit of FIRST, and it should not be permitted.

Road Rash 19-04-2016 17:33

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
This being the first game I've been exposed to, I wouldn't change a thing. That being said, I like reading the opinions in this thread.

gafftron 19-04-2016 17:39

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by Duncan Macdonald (Post 1575601)
Not specific to Stronghold but I'd allow playoff alliances to have the option of choosing which team they would like in each driver's station for sight-line reasons.

This should a be relatively trivial addition since championship alliances can already choose which teams they use on a match by match basis.

This was the case in 2014 so I'm surprised that they have removed that ability.

cbale2000 19-04-2016 17:59

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
I like most of the ideas people have posted so far, here's a few of mine:
  • Remove the limitation on how many balls robots can carry, and have more balls available on the field (see 2006)
  • Remove the limitation on how many balls can be crossed over the defenses at once.
  • Limit the bumper-zone range more to prevent wedge/tipping situations while flat on the ground with normal bumper contact.
  • Allow attackers to shoot balls from the neutral zone (I have mixed feelings about what this would do to gameplay, but it might be interesting; perhaps just limit shooting in the zone to "passing" balls over defenses, but don't allow them to be scored directly from the neutral zone.)
  • Add a defender starting position in each teams secret passage and allow defensive autonomous (maintain existing rules protecting robots crossing defenses though)

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Originally Posted by CloakAndDagger (Post 1575638)
What would your opinion be on the flip in this video then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cReB8jw-ccI
We were defending them too hard, and as a result as soon as one robot drove underneath our bumpers and got us up, they both kept hitting us until 3536 made a concerted effort, and we fell over. This was not a result of us being too top heavy, or accidental hits from opponents, but a clear, sustained effort to flip and incapacitate our robot, which irreparably bent our arm, requiring us to punch a new one out before worlds.

This is probably the first video I've seen this season that was clearly an intentional tip deserving of a red card. This is the sort of thing that should be penalized, however, there are also many instances of accidental tipping that are penalized far too harshly.
I can understand a foul and maybe a yellow card as a warning to the team, but an automatic red card for a momentary contact tip is overkill. This video is an example of the standard that should be applied to red cards for tipping IMO.

DanKein 19-04-2016 18:33

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In order to achieve a breach, there should be two options: 1. cross 4 of the defenses 3 times. 2. cross 5 of the defenses 2 times.
This would incentivize the crossing of a difficult defense.

I also like the idea of a defending robot in their courtyard to be able to shoot balls out of the courtyard. I think this adds more than it detracts.

I think there is a difference between running over a ball and controlling a ball. Penalties being called for running over a ball while controlling one, don't make the game better. Yes, this may allow the occasional ball to enter under the low bar. However, herding or pushing a ball under the low bar, or a strategy of a human player jamming up a low bar should be penalized.

I also think the tower strength should increase from qualifications to eliminations, and with each level of eliminations.

axiomofdarkness 19-04-2016 18:52

Re: If YOU were the GDC...
 
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Originally Posted by wazateer1 (Post 1575561)
Also, I would have removed the brattice. I don't know about anyone elses experience, but I haven't seen it used once.

I know there's at least one team in MAR who feeds exclusively from the brattice, though I forget which team it is.


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