2016 Chairman's Hall of Fame Predictions
 

Hey everyone!
This post is to discuss the many possible HOF winners!!!!

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987.

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987 or 33

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2486

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11, 233, 503, 1519, and 1676 are my guesses.

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I think to answer this, you need to think about a few things. What teams are having a measurable impact in their region and beyond? There are a lot of teams that are meeting these criteria, 987, 2614, etc. In my opinion, 3132 is the clear winner when you look at everything they are doing in Australia and beyond.

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I'm pretty uninformed about each program competing, but my uneducated guesses would be 987, 503, 1241 or 3132

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Neither 11 nor 1676 won Chairman's at MAR.

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11 won at South Florida, I would also throw 1902 into the mix for contenders.

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You're right, because they couldn't. 1676 won Regional Chairman's at the Buckeye Regional, and 11 won Regional Chairman's at the South Florida Regional. They both also won Engineering Inspiration awards at MAR District events, with 1676 also winning one of the two MAR District Championship Engineering Inspiration awards.

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987 or 2486. Both two team are very deserving of this award.

-Connor

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The turkish team that won it at NYC really did alot of amazing things. It is annoying that its slipping my mind right now. But they did alot involving refugees and do alot to spread stem.

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Here is their video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNOAO3MhPso

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987 would be my first pick.

1540, 2486, and 604 have run incredible programs for the past 6+ years, would love to see any of them win. I think 1540 in particular is a strong candidate, considering how they really set the pace for the entire PNW region.

I also don't remember 33 receiving chairman's at MSC? Or a regional this year for that matter.

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987 or 604.

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33 won at a district event but not at MSC.

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My inner 987 fan boy is dying for them to win one, however I like the idea of 11 getting one.

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Can confirm, 33 only won a DCA and didn't get it at MSC.

Personally, I never even tried to call it on Chairman's. There are always at least five or ten teams that are close enough together that it probably comes down to whose shoe was untied during the presentation. (That's hyperbole, but you get what I'm saying.)

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While predicting who wins the CCA is very difficult and can't be based on anything other than opinion, I do believe 503 should be the next HoF team. Their Chairman's Award win at MSC marks the 10th time in team history they've won it, and it is the 7th consecutive year they've taken home an RCA.

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1902 has to win one of these times.

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There are so many deserving teams of this award that it's really disappointing that only one team can win. That might be one of the only benefits of next year, is that two of these teams can earn a CCA. With that in mind, the three teams I think are most likely to win this award are 987, 503, and 3132.

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33 Didn't win a Chairmans award this year at MSC.

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I am REALLY disappointed that 1816 didn't win a RCA this year. They are without a doubt one of the teams that are next in line for HoF for all the work that they have done in Minnesota and the Midwest.

All of the Minnesota teams (208 of them) can trace their roots back to the work that Green Machine has done. My team has been a beneficiary of the work that they have done - we have taken what they did and put together our own playbook. There are so many teams that we look up to (2052, 2175, 2220, 2512, 2169, etc) but 1816 is always the team that we compare ourselves to. Just wrong that they are not at Champs this season.

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Lots of interesting picks in this thread.

It's interesting to me that one of my top picks hasn't been mentioned yet.

I would also highly recommend reading some of the essays before you put a number out there.

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3211 is absolutely inspirational. They won in Western Canada. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUeL...ature=youtu.be

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987.

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Pulling for 987

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Still not sure how 503 hasn't won yet. Winning 10 RCAs (7 consecutive), the most of any team, and not getting HOF is somewhat baffling.

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3132 is a great candidate. Their work in expanding FIRST Australia has been incredible with their Robots in The Outback program, as well as their phenomenal work in China, representing FIRST at a huge number of events, most recently the WARC in Beijing.

IIRC, they also toured China, visiting rural villages and establishing contacts and helping teams to get on their feet in FRC in China.

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While I love 11, I don't think they are at HOF level just yet.

I believe 503 or 987 deserve it.

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Sorry, apparently I misunderstood how Chairman's works in the gray space where Districts and Regionals meet. My team doesn't attend any Regionals so I was confused about how Chairman's qualification through the Regional system works. I didn't realize you could attend both types of events. Thanks for clearing that up. :D

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1540 is the top of my list. The work they have done is amazing.

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987, 503, 1902, or 1241 would all be fine choices.

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2486. What they have done in the northern part of Arizona to get FIRST started there is outstanding

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There are so many deserving teams, but I'm rooting for 987.

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So sad that they didn't qualify this year. Meeting them in Minnesota made it clear that they've been instrumental in growing FIRST in the Midwest region. They're also spectacularly nice people!! They got 2 Dean's List finalists in Iowa, so they'll have some students representing the team at Worlds :)

This chart was quite fascinating in considering the next entrant to the HoF. Helps to show some trends too. Couldn't find the thread its from, someone else made it!

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I mean, I like to think we're a candidate, but we're still probably 7-8 years away from that ;) 987, 3132, and 503 are all top-tier candidates, and I'd be shocked if 987 doesn't get it within the next two seasons.

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It's an interesting chart, but there are some things to point out. To begin with, I would be interested to see a chart like this that only includes the HoF entries from the last 10 years. This chart shows several teams winning the HoF after only one or two RCAs, but the reality is that it was much more common for that to happen in the early days of FIRST. With the exception of a couple outliers, most the HoF entries from the last decade or so have had at least 4 RCA wins prior. I.e. I think it's statistically much harder to win in the hall of fame with relatively few RCA wins. The past several years, the award has gone to the team with a high number of RCA wins, again with the exception of an outlier or two.

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33 didn't win at MSC, therefore won't be competing at Worlds.

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Cut out 51, 144, 151, 103, 16, 67, 175, 254, 191, and 120.

Doing this mentally, the mean ends up at about 4.6 for the last decade.

There are 20 competitors with 4 or more wins.

I think it's more difficult to compete effectively (in robot, awards, or Chairman's) at Championships your first couple of times there. There are different standards, the competition is different, and there are a lot of "distractions" during the competition.

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It is interesting, but it's incomplete. I wonder if you could get in touch with someone to get it updated?

384 also won CA this year and isn't on that chart.

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597

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You mean the 2015 CCA winner?

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1540 has an incredible chairman's program with an incredible streak
They are definitely a contender for the world's chairman award.

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Can I ask a favor of folks - Instead of "oh they do a lot" or "they win it a lot"

Can we at least give some reasons? Preferably with reference to the award criteria.

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I threw that chart together in Tableau, I forget where I originally posted it on CD, but it's on our teams FB page as well.

I have a few other charts I put together that show some other interesting trends, especially when we think about the number of teams that won this year that have a team number greater than 1114. If I'm not mistaken it is roughly 75% of the 2016 winners.

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Just something to remind you of that it doesn't necessarily have to be a team that "deserves it". Its the team with the best program, which I would say is 987, 11, 33, etc. However, 868 from Indiana is looking really good, maybe not enough to beat out the others, but you never know.

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This. As I've been reading through this thread I've seen a whole lot of numbers but no particular reasons why. Rather than just general guesses of teams, could we have a little discussion and look at the outreach so we can see to what extent each team embodies FIRST values?

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A good starting point might be looking at the submissions by some of the teams mentioned in this thread here http://www.firstinspires.org/resourc...-award-winners

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They probably got skipped if whoever compiled the chart pulled the winner list off of this page.

I emailed support about it a week ago and they seemed confused as to what I was asking, so I was going to wait until after champs. I imagine they are either busy in Manchester or even StL at this point.

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Pulling for 987.

Why? In addition to stories I've heard about them being transformative for their own community, they've done a ton of international work in China and been a great role model for other teams within FIRST, both on and off the field of play.

When we say "What teams do we want to be like?" 987 is on the short list with 2056, 1678, etc.

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So just a bit of insight into how I have to read CA essays and why I'm asking folks to add context to their predictions. To really find where a team maps to award criteria I generally have to read each essay several times while checking the criteria so I know what I'm looking for. It's incredibly time consuming even with how quickly I read. Notes have to be taken. It's a process. So while I can absolutely do this for teams I'm asking folks who feel passionately about a team to share their thoughts and save me some time.

Full disclaimer - I'm also using it to see how others interpret the CA award criteria.

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Thinking it over more in terms of the essay criteria itself, I actually do think 11 deserves quite a lot of recognition.

They are one of the largest FRC programs in the world and boast massive enrollment numbers within a relatively small school size. Over 10% of the student body is involved in 11/193 and more than that are enrolled in the STEM classes that have been in place in the district for more than 15 years. They've met with some big names in entertainment including Montel and Wendy Williams. These guys do a TON in their community and have huge amounts of sponsor involvement. The town absolutely loves the team and they are constantly invited to be representatives of the town and state for various events.

While I don't think they hold the national or international impact of someone like 1114 (this is the standard in my head I compare against), they have been a tremendous program with a lot of alumni in STEM and alumni who are still actively involved in FIRST. They have also survived huge organizational changes over the past few years and that speaks volumes to the team's level of sustainability.

So, yeah, if FIRST really wants a team and program for others to emulate in their towns, I think MORT is a prime example. I would love to see my home team in the HOF.

Edit: I do think 987 got to HOF level first, but 11 definitely deserves it soon.

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I certainly appreciate the mention, but there's no way 1519 wins at the World Championship level... there are plenty of contenders that have much more on their "Chairmans' Resume."

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This is a really interesting comment Gregor.
Who actually predicted 597 to win HoF last year ?

Is FIRST going in a completely different direction with the HoF selection process ?

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I'll offer up one that I feel has been overlooked for some time...

1311

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1311 would be an obvious step forward in the vein of 597.

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I would argue that 1311, while perhaps not the sort of 'household name' that many HoF teams are, is definitely on more observers' radars than 597 was. They have 8 Regional Chairman's Awards (tied for 3rd all-time), and they're doing some great stuff in their area (and beyond).

My list would be 503, 604, and 2486. All three have fantastic, sustained programs with amazing students, and I'd put my money on one of them to win the big one on Saturday.

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Can you guys elaborate?

I know little to nothing about either team. I still don't really know why 597 won (never looked into it to be honest), but if you do, please explain the relation to 1311's story and what they do.

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I can tell you that 1311 is on my radar because their sphere of influence is the southeastern US but they are doing a lot beyond as well. I'm a huge fan and I'd love to see them become an HOF team for the work they are doing to help out a region that desperately needs it. NC has some teams doing similar work but they aren't quite up there with 1311 yet.

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I'm personally rooting for team 3309. Go Friarbots!

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Those wondering why 1311 is on everyone's radar (or should be) can check out their submissions at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=147568

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That is an interesting point. However, I don't think FIRST is going to choose "under-the-radar" teams specifically since this will prevent the Chairman's "powerhouses" from ever entering the hall of fame. However, FIRST may look less and less at how well-known teams are.

Obviously, Chairman's is given to "model teams" for outreach, program growth and sustainability, etc, but I wonder if FIRST used to consider the strength of a team's robot performance as well. It's a little bit surprising that many, many hall of fame teams are also perrenial contenders for Einstein, considering the outreach portion of Chairman's seems to be the most important (not trying to knock powerhouse teams here, but if Chairman's and robots are truly independent then you would expect the hall of fame to contain a large range of robot-skilled teams).

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It isn't surprising that strong robots are produced by the teams who have the strongest overall programs. I still think it should not be independently evaluated, especially because in my mind, a team that is the pinnacle of an FRC program to emulate should also consistently produce results on the field in addition to off the field.

I feel that the most well-rounded programs are the ones that should earn a spot in the HOF - which is typically the case.

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I think that you are missing the connection here that does exist between the robot and Chairman's (though I don't think it is discussed in the judging room). Teams that are Champiomship level for the robot are excellent teams, and excellent teams tend to, in many cases, breed excellence is all areas. It has a lot to do with team culture. Additionally, the "better" a team is at Chairman's, the better their resources tend to be. If you are doing HOF level outreach, your chances of getting good funding, mentors, etc., go way up.

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Well, I'd imagine that part of being a model team is fielding a consistently competitive robot. Not because winning is important, but consistently high performing robots are a product of teams that have strong partnerships with their sponsors/mentors, a solid base of institutional FIRST design knowledge, effective implementation of the engineering design process, etc. I don't necessarily think that robot performance is explicitly factored into the decision, but the teams that are "doing it right" will probably end up with pretty good robots because of they way they are structured.

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Who?

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Looking at all of the Hall of Fame teams since 2000 the majority of them are well known for their performance on the field, but there are two counter-examples. Last year's winner 597 has never won a Regional or Champs Division in their history, and has a total of 4 robot based awards since their inception in 2001. They have been Regional Finalists 3 times but only once in this decade. 2008's Chairman's winning team 842 had never won an event in their history at the time they entered the HOF and had a total of 3 robot based awards at that time (4 if you include Division Finalist from Champs that same year, though I would think that would have occurred after judging for Chairman's was already concluded). There is also team 22 from 2001 that according to TBA had no robot awards prior to winning, but I don't know how accurate the history pages on FIRST and TBA are that far back for award listings.

Now I do think that having consistently below average performing robots precludes a team from winning Championship Chairman's, but once you are above a minimum-competitiveness threshold it looks like it is not a factor. I am not familiar with 597's robots but I did get to watch (and drive against) most of 842's robots during the years prior to their Chairman's win. They built sturdy robots focused around one aspect of the game and were often a playoff team, but were rarely an alliance captain and did not become a major contender for winning an event until their Chairman's season. Looking at TBA history for 597 they look similar in that they made quarters or semis at many events but rarely seeded high enough to captain their alliance. Based on these two teams, I would say any team has a reasonable shot at Championship Chairman's as long as they have robots that function reasonably well and sometimes make eliminations.

It will be interesting to see how 597's HOF status affects their competitiveness in the coming years. 842 really caught fire and has created some amazing machines since their Chairman's win. I'm not sure how much my students believe me when I tell them that they used to field robots not much different from the ones we have built recently.

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Posted my thoughts in this thread (just to round out the Chairman's previews for the year), but I'll post a slightly less verbose version here.

Basically, my top three are 987, 1311, and 3132. They're three extremely different programs that have all the trimmings of a "Chairman's team" in addition to some absolutely fantastic ways of making a measurable impact on their and others' communities.

Primary pieces that make each stick out:

1311: The most concrete and clear plan for integrating FIRST into an educational model I have ever seen, and demonstrable progress towards implementing their plan. Their essay and presentation focus on making it clear that implementing their "21st century education model" is one of the core and driving things about their team, and that it isn't a substitution for starting and helping other teams and traditional "Chairman's stuff." I'm going to try to make it over to the Dome (the team I'm mentoring is in Union Station) to pick someone on their teams' brains about sustainability because you all are clearly a team that has given it a ton of thought.

Next up was 987. I talked to you guys last year about the shop bot my team's high school got, and you guys were some of the most immediately friendly people I've ever met. Reading your essay this year cemented in my head that you guys are an incredible team with an incredible story. Building such a fantastic program that has impacted your community but also the new FIRST programs in China is incredible.

Last up was 3132. I am hard pressed to pick a favorite here, but if you twisted my arm a bit and bought me a shake at Bailey's Range, these guys are who I'd pick. Reading your essay and talking to you guys at Northern Lights, I feel like you guys are just an order of magnitude above anyone else when it comes to global impact. Building a sustainable program in our country and working to spread that model to other parts of the world is work that we all ultimately benefit from as FIRST becomes a truly international competition.

Whoever wins it this year is going to leave the biggest shoes yet to fill.

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This page will give you the complete list of Hall of Fame at least:
http://archive.firstinspires.org/abo...ry#frc_winners

- Teams 7 and 23 need to be added to the 0 column
- Teams 16 and 120 should be shifted to the 0 column, as they were in the Hall of Fame prior to the RCA/DCA ever existing
- Team 191 should be shifted to the 0 column as well. They are the only team to win two CCA's, in the part of the pre-RCA/DCA era where there were no rules about winning CCA multiple times.
- Team 175 should be shifted to the 1 column as they were inducted into the Hall of Fame after 1 RCA win.

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I'm bringing up 1511, Rolling Thunder. Rookie All Star, 7 Regional Chairman's awards. Huge outreach into the community that has gotten some very prestigious notice. Lots of support for other robotics programs.

They are a pretty amazing team, check them out!