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Kartoffee 29-04-2016 23:55

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
On the field, the sound effects are at a good level. The announcements however, aren't. Having those sounds loud and clear is a godsend for driveteams, so don't complain. Use earplugs or don't watch matches, or just deal with it. I would hate to have the volumes turned down. It's a billion times easier to listen than duck to see the timer.

KosmicKhaos 30-04-2016 00:47

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kartoffee (Post 1580446)
On the field, the sound effects are at a good level. The announcements however, aren't. Having those sounds loud and clear is a godsend for driveteams, so don't complain. Use earplugs or don't watch matches, or just deal with it. I would hate to have the volumes turned down. It's a billion times easier to listen than duck to see the timer.

Agreed. Based on expierence from being on the floor we need it to be as loud as it is. You have the sounds from the crowd all around you, robots, other teams on the floor as well as 7 other fields playing the exact same noises. Even at the volumes the fields are currently at it can still sometimes be hard to hear.

Duncan Macdonald 30-04-2016 10:25

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kartoffee (Post 1580446)
On the field, the sound effects are at a good level. The announcements however, aren't. Having those sounds loud and clear is a godsend for driveteams, so don't complain. Use earplugs or don't watch matches, or just deal with it. I would hate to have the volumes turned down. It's a billion times easier to listen than duck to see the timer.

"So don't complain" is the wrong approach, this is a recurring problem.

"So ask for speakers facing the driver station in the team survey" would be an actionable item that would resolve the issue.

SoMe_DuDe904 30-04-2016 19:34

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
As one of the announcers on galileo and Carson I sincerely apologize to those in that audience that thought the sound was a little high. On the ground level it was perfect for teams and us to hear ourselves but we're relying on the sound techs in the audience to make necessary tweaks for your enjoyment.

One of the major problems at this event compared to regional and districts is the noise bleed from the 7 adjacent fields. Too compensate, the sound team was assigned to each field to make everything better than last year.

With everything, I know organizers read CD so voice your opinions and things will change in the future.

All the best,

SoMe_DuDe904 30-04-2016 19:39

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 1580154)
The announcer on. Carson physically hurts you ears it is so loud.

I hope that wasn't me but it probably was ! :( I'm sorry and On behalf of the sound crew we apologize. We have to try to find a good balance not only for the field but so the teams and ourselves can hear the sound triggers and our own voice.

I was the division reliever between the two fields on that side. I will work on my volume for next year as we continue to improve ourselves and the event.

Richard Wallace 30-04-2016 20:13

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
Dean was wearing earplugs when he visited the floor with Will.I.Am

ctt956 30-04-2016 20:57

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
The field sounds weren't that bad IMO. The announcers were a bit too loud sometimes, especially anyone speaking during Einstein. But the worst was the deafening screech at the start of "FRC Goes Disco". That whole video was way too loud, but acceptable for the few minutes it lasted.

billylo 01-05-2016 19:28

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
I have collected some data points for future improvements and I am very glad to see Nate's and Duncan's post.

Still recovering from the lack of sleep throughout champs. Will share later this week.

tcjinaz 02-05-2016 05:05

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billylo (Post 1578277)
Champs is awesome. Best teams, best robots with best volunteers.

But it's really really difficult to withstand the powerful speakers doling out FMS sound effects (start of game, end of autonomous, end of game) all day.

If you know the organizers who are responsible for tuning AVs at Champs, would you mind passing this message?

Thank you!!

We were up in section 137 Saturday. There were some bright lights aimed directly at us from the far side of the stage that were blinding us. One of the kids Instagram'd a picture of the situation to FIRST. The lights went out.

I'm starting to believe in Social Media.

Tim

SoMe_DuDe904 02-05-2016 07:51

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tcjinaz (Post 1581463)
We were up in section 137 Saturday. There were some bright lights aimed directly at us from the far side of the stage that were blinding us. One of the kids Instagram'd a picture of the situation to FIRST. The lights went out.

I'm starting to believe in Social Media.

Tim

http://imgur.com/ZxIXJvt

RoboChair 02-05-2016 14:25

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
During the Opening Ceremonies and Dean's List Awards I was measuring an average of 85 dB for the music they were performing on stage, no peaks over 89 dB were seen from the South-West lower stands walkway.

billylo 02-05-2016 19:44

Data points collected at champs
 
Multiple samples were taken from Friday afternoon:

Locations: Last row on the 100 level on each side of the stadium (midpoint between two adjacent fields)
Duration: Start of one match to the start of the following match
Tools: iPhone 6s with Decibel App

Sustained average audio level = 86 decibels
Peak Audio Level = 100 decibels (from match start 1 to match start 2)

Data collected from all four sides were consistent (i.e. each field's audio level are about the same.)

My observations:

- It's not good to send 100 decibels noise 60 times a day for multiple days.
- Duncan's suggestion of adding speakers to help drive teams is a good one. It enables the audio crew to customize sound level that are comfortable for both the audience and people on the field.

We can do better and this would make regional experience better too. Not just for champs.

aspiece 02-05-2016 19:50

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billylo (Post 1578277)
Champs is awesome. Best teams, best robots with best volunteers.

But it's really really difficult to withstand the powerful speakers doling out FMS sound effects (start of game, end of autonomous, end of game) all day.

If you know the organizers who are responsible for tuning AVs at Champs, would you mind passing this message?

Thank you!!

Come on down to our pits, we distribute ear plugs to anyone who needs them. We would be happy to help out.

BethMo 03-05-2016 21:27

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
I was sitting in the volunteer section during the closing ceremonies and Einstein (section 332) and my phone app measured the music as average 90 decibels, with peaks up to 115. This is not acceptable.

CoClimber 04-05-2016 16:33

Re: Please save our eardrums by lowering volume on sound effects at Champs
 
I'd like to weigh in here. Our team was at Curie and, while loud, the levels were tolerable. What got me very, very upset was when our team was high up in the stands for Einstein, they started playing bass heavy music before the final awards. Even though I was wearing earplugs, the bass was quite painful. The levels were so high that my ears were distorting the bass and generating harmonics. We decided that this was a dangerous situation and we removed our students before the final awards. This was my first year as mentor and I left thinking that I never want to come back, it was that bad. I honestly couldn't believe that FIRST would expose our students to an obviously unsafe condition.


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