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254 should never be forgotten about.

Now do this in a match.

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Impressive.
Now do it on the ramparts.

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Oh wow... You don't disappoint

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What did I just watch...

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Prepare for the 5 ball high goal from the 254 alliance.

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This robot is so awesome! Despite not competing in the same division, I'm definitely going to come and check it out! :D Good luck, 254!

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You're gonna need that in your division. That's Epic.

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A two ball auto that doesn't drop their pre-load AND goes over the rock wall will carry you straight off Newton and onto Einstein.

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One sec. Robots are srs bzns after all...

The 2nd ball wasn't centered on the tape. And if it were, the intake appears to come down over the apex of the 2nd ball, meaning it broke the plane of the center tape. Am I seeing that right?

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Thank the lord we aren't in Newton.

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Hey I did not verbally agree with them. My gun is still loaded and ready to fire. Now how long until 1678 and 971 show theirs? ;)

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So I'm guessing a 3 ball auto is coming.

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I guess that's OK...but can it make an omelette?

Seriously, that's incredibly impressive, guys. Amazing job, as always!

Newton gonna be silly.

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I spy a climber.:D

If I were going up against them, I would just setup my robot behind them and steal the ball off the midline.

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We do not cross the center tape.

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This.

I think champs will need light beams to prove if or if-not a robot broke the center plane.

Also, I'll expect a second position from 1986. Probably rough terrain too.

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I'm done.

get ready for the wildlyfe

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Once again, showing why 254 is the best in the world.

Thanks for the inspiration, hope to see you on the other side of the glass Saturday afternoon ;)

-Mike

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I'll show myself out.

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"Oh baby a triple" = 3 ball auto coming soon?

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Wow.

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And the 2016 Newton division winner is...

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While I do hope this works out for them at champs, I have to agree that based on this video, it is doubtful this particular routine would actually get the ball in a legal starting position. It seems that the bot just barely doesnt cross the line, but the ball also seems to be 2 inches closer

I'm not going to claim to know 254's intake geometry, but from the angle of the camera, 2 inches farther and it wouldn't get a grip on that ball.

Of course, I imagine this isn't the final iteration either.

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If he says it doesn't cross, then I believe it doesn't cross. Normally I'm right there with ya if it were anyone other than the Poofs.

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SHOTS SHOOTERED.

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Now that 254 and 118 (see above) has shown theirs, this means there's at least two teams in Newton that has a two boulder auto that crosses a defense that's not the low bar. If/when these two teams play together, it will be ridiculous.

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Oh god, put 254 and 118 along with an other robot that gets one ball in, and that's 80 points straight up after autonomous, and tower down to 5 health

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Yep......

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I just find it hard to believe that the Cheesy Poofs would overlook these details. I think it's much more likely that the camera view is misleading. After all, if these oversights were easy enough for armchair roboticists to point out after watching a 10 second YouTube video, surely someone on 254 would have noticed the issue first?

254 knows what they're doing. If you don't believe their auto is legit and think it was sloppy or not accurate, it's your loss. They aren't cheating, and they certainly aren't making videos of illegal autonomous modes to intimidate people.

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If Champs tower strength is 10, then 10-2-2-1 = 5 strength. Which is absolutely insane.

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Down to 5, right? If 254 gets 2 shots in, 118 gets 2 shots in, and robot 3 gets a shot in, then the 10 starting health drops to 5.

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I can honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that I look forward to seeing this in person. Beautiful.

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right thanks, I should start over my elementary school math :rolleyes:
but 5 or 6 doesn't really matter at this point, the tower will be WAY below 0 health when the match ends anyways

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Fair statement.

The question I wonder: will we see a 6-ball auto, either here or at IRI? Between low bar, rock wall/rough terrain, and moat/ramparts, it's not like the field doesn't lend itself to it.

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Skepticism is healthy when it comes to robot videos! Until someone does this in a qualification or elimination match, it hasn't happened as far as I am concerned. I am confident in the legality and reliability of our class B/D 2-ball on our practice field, but I'm just a guy on a message board.

The ball not being on the line was an oversight on our part. I double checked all the other videos of this and (of course, ugh) we used the only take where the ball was slightly off (you get sloppy after running a few dozen times). Besides, if we were intentionally pulling a fast one on you, we would have filmed the video from 6 inches off the ground. :D

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A ramparts 2 ball auto would be close to impossible.

Cue next 254 video.

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Hmm, seems like Worlds may have a better chance since the audience can be 'convinced' to select Moat. We have yet to see if IRI will keep that particular 'feature' of the game.

Though Class A 2-balls could become a thing with Portcullis. CDF - maybe... that drop is so violent...

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Guess what, even if you do end up crossing the line it is a 5pt penalty and the ball is worth 10pts in the goal. The tower strength drop + net 5pts + balls on your side of the field in auton is worth the risk.


I just believe that the 2nd ball wont be there for them in elims as it is even easier to defend than the one through the low bar.


@254 & @118
Great job guys! Looking forward to seeing you on Einstein. (hopefully from the other side of the field and not from the stands).

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Portcullis seems easiest, but it would have required the correct robot geometry (Forward facing turret and backwards facing intake).

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Con's of living in California

• Sometimes the second ball in your Class D, 2 Ball auto mode gets rolled off the center line just a bit by the wind rushing through your outdoor practice field.

Pro's of living in California

• Literally everything else.

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Probably the reason I'm moving there this June!

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It's the weather, always the weather!

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Until you get predictably yellow carded. Pretty sure 254 is legal though.

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Well, once again, 254 has proved that their memes are some of the dankest in the world. And their robot is pretty good too!

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I believe that they are also, what I was thinking was on the rare occasion something messes up the reward out weights the risk every time. I also think that refs will have a hard time justifying giving a penalty for crossing a fraction of an inch over the line when there is only such a small second that it happens.

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When picking up the second ball are you using a photoelectric sensor or some other sensor to detect when the robot has reached the ball? Is that what the yellow thing next to the bumper is?

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It is expressly illegal, and thus if they cross over the line at all they should be penalized.

That being said, we're all looking forward to seeing them pull this off in a match :)

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I'm kind of wondering, who else will be capable of pulling this off?

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check out this guy

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Compared to pretty much anywhere else except Hawaii, California doesn't have weather. It only has climate.

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Amazing and inspiring.

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I'd hardly be surprised, they've done more impressive things in the past. :p

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Don't know if this is real or not...

https://www.facebook.com/robonauts11...4654356904435/

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Oh my gosh. Anybody else for the not-low-bar two ball auto hypetrain?

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Cons of living in California from a Canadian standpoint:

• No Gregor
• No Karthik
• No Tim Horton's
• No snow

Pros of living in California from a Canadian standpoint:

• No snow
• Ice capps are always in season
• Polar bears don't chew on your radio wires
• Soldering irons don't take an hour to heat up
• FRC on-field glass doesn't occasionally have shoe marks on it

On Topic: Wow, that's an awesome auton. I'll be looking forward to seeing it in person at Champs!

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If someone does a 3 ball auto, I will flip a table.... It might be the table with our bot on it :D :P :yikes:

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Wow, this makes me wish we were in Newton! :-D

Nice job!

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Just wondering, has 987 done a 2 ball auto from Rockwall yet?

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California gets snow. Up to 10 feet in the mountains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_California

and there is tim hortons
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ti...c356494b7ab2e0

A con is that the poutine out here tastes weird.

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Time to start counting down until 987 reveals their rockwall auto...

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I think I might have to take this back... the timing doesn't work out but if anyone can get a robot to move quicker then I'd put money on the poofs.

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I would say it's pretty likely. We use one of these on our robot to tell if the ball is in our intake, and it looks like the back of that sensor in the photo.

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I alway's can count on 254 to reveal something like this.
Well done guys

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When does 254 normally release their code for the season? I'd love to take a look at their vision code.

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If I recall correctly they do in the post season.

They have the past 3 years.

https://github.com/Team254

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The real question is, can it make Corn Dogs???

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I gotta see this in action on field. A video cannot describe how much awesome went into it.

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Its alright Jared. I see you. :D great job on the 2 ball

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If we meet, we'll also be cheering for the rock wall.

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2 ball rock wall confirmed?

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..Are your defense dividers made up of old breakaway targets?

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Not the Rock Wall. Try again.😉

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I can't post the link because I am in school but 254 posted another video with more 2 ball autos on there Facebook page.

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This is the link:https://www.facebook.com/team254robotics/videos/1164671873572533/?autoplay_reason=gatekeeper&video_container_type=0 &app_id=2392950137&__mref=message_bubble

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The Portcullis is what I would guess. Your Port. auto is already good and quick, and with the correct geometry of your bot, this would not surprise me. Love your robot by the way!

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Even the ramparts! Those absolute madmen.

Now, where's the cheval 2 ball?

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Very impressive never disappoints,

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This is one that I do not think will be possible (please, prove me wrong teams). But the active motion to manipulate the CDF and the heavy drop likely will result in this never being accomplished. I know it was probably a fun, sarcastic joke, but unless the action is passive (similar to 1678), this won't be accomplished.

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Titanium already has an automated CDF cross sequence, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried (although thinking now, they might have some problems going backwards over it to get the second ball). An engineer can still dream.

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I think you highlight the major problem with doing a 2 ball CDF: it takes too much time and gives too much error to turn around to manipulate the CDF back. Unless you have a CDF manipulator on both sides, this might take too much time.

Cue 254's next auto.

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Why do you need a CdF two ball if you can already do it over one of the other non low bar defenses? Sure it'd be nice to get the CdF partially done in auto, but as long as you can do it over something else, you've already got a significant advantage over 99% of the field.

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Look at 254's bot, they have a main arm in the front which is used for cheval, but the intake arm on the back can also be used for the cheval......

CUE THE CHEVAL

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I'm not sure if the intake arm can be used for the cheval I looked at that arm long and hard and it appears to
Be pneumatically driven by one set of air cylinders so the length it goes down is all it goes down and it doesn't appear to be down far enough for the cheval

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Now you've got me all excited. See you in Carver!

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Who says they have to return over the CDF? Who says both crosses need to be the same defense?

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Simplicity does? :)
It's certainly possible to go over one, shoot, go over a different one, collect-cross-shoot but man is that pushing the limit.

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Pshh, this is true in Canada too!

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I had thought of that too, and it would certainly be complicated, but I bet it could be done. If you wanted to bump up to another level of complexity, have an auto that cross and shoots, uses vision to detect which balls are still available (supposing the other alliance has a two-ball auton), and then crosses the requisite defense to get that second ball.

The simple answer is you don't. But, you've got to admit that it'd be pretty cool.

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254 has already gone over one defense and returned through a different defense in auto. It's definitely possible for them to pick up the second ball that way, but I don't know if they have enough time to cross and shoot.