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Kevin Ray 05-05-2016 20:00

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1581372)

Now, this isn't to say this should be a regular thing; it probably shouldn't be our forward facing catch phrase, we shouldn't be singing it to sponsors, making team chants about it, etc. It can't become a huge meme like water games or corndogs that every 14 year old parrots to their grandmother (and I'm sure it will get out of hand, unfortunately). I really understand the points people like Andy Grady have been making about the speech and I don't disagree with them. But I genuinely appreciated such a refreshingly honest moment from this man, and I'm glad he was able to convey his awe and inspiration sincerely.

+1 I think that his statement was one of, if not the most powerful statement I've heard off the cuff any where, any time. He was very obviously overwhelmed with emotion after mentioning that he had been to all of the other music awards and events--and this beats them all.

All that being said, I feel that Chris is me is 110% correct. It was only powerful in context at that moment in time. Tee shirting or bumper stickering the statement will be only a cheap excuse for a gratuitous foul language op. Constantly using the phrase because he said it, will diminish its value. I think that leaving it in the moment will give us powerful memories

One of our team members thought that a tee shirt would be cool. Yeah, those words taken completely out of context will have the same effect of walking naked through a church full of elderly people and expecting them to appreciate the beauty of the human form.

The other Gabe 05-05-2016 20:00

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my goodness, why are y'all still arguing?

CalTran 05-05-2016 20:10

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Originally Posted by The other Gabe (Post 1584235)
my goodness, why are y'all still arguing?

You must be new here. Congratulations on the new account!

dirtbikerxz 05-05-2016 20:31

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Originally Posted by The other Gabe (Post 1584235)
my goodness, why are y'all still arguing?

I was thinking of sayin this.....

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Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1584240)
You must be new here. Congratulations on the new account!

But then i realized I would get that^^^^^^^^^^ :P :D

Hoover 05-05-2016 21:03

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Would you keep your kids home from robotics because someone might say a bad word over the PA, or their stuff might get stolen (this really happened but getting infinitesimal attention compared to the former)

This thread is one of the most entertaining I've ever seen! Is it that you want to prolong children's innocence? If so you better not let them go to a build session or tour the pits. Cover their ears!

Finish the basement apartment and never let them get a job lest their boss might cuss at them, auuuugh.

ATannahill 05-05-2016 21:16

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I think that his actions have had an impact. I have noticed a larger amount of $@#$@#$@#$@#s on CD, along with the use of #TSIMFD and #TSINMFD. I think this is the kind of activity people have been wanting to avoid. That is how CD has changed, I imagine that in team communication or human interaction or other forms of communication the language has also devolved.

I agree with what many people have said, it is great that he had strong feelings and it might have been great that it was shown to the VIPs in attendance, but it was a use of inappropriate language. We need to restore ourselves to our normal decorum and remember this moment with fond memories. It should not set the standard on how we behave.

3175leheh 07-05-2016 20:23

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I agree wholeheartedly. It was definitely said with good intent, but it's hard to know how people will react or take something out of context when you say something, especially when on such a big platform as that.

DonRotolo 07-05-2016 20:59

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Everyone is an idiot. Including me.

There, I said something. Was it offensive? Yes, to some, no to others.
Some cool dude said something too.

The point is, we all have our way of communicating. Did you get the message that was being sent?

TAlholm 07-05-2016 22:29

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People are exposed to this language on a daily basis. (Then again, I do go to school in a city)

dirtbikerxz 07-05-2016 22:33

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 1584276)
Would you keep your kids home from robotics because someone might say a bad word over the PA, or their stuff might get stolen (this really happened but getting infinitesimal attention compared to the former)

This thread is one of the most entertaining I've ever seen! Is it that you want to prolong children's innocence? If so you better not let them go to a build session or tour the pits. Cover their ears!

HA, totally agree. Please don't let your kid who never heard any curse words tour the pits. It's not good influence for them.

And ya, it sucks that stuff gets stolen, one of our mentors lost an ipad a few years back. But honestly all I can say is, don't be stupid. Don't leave your stuff lying around un protected. There is nothing we can do to change the world and have no bad people....

Pretzel 07-05-2016 22:41

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Originally Posted by TAlholm (Post 1584921)
People are exposed to this language on a daily basis. (Then again, I do go to school in a city)

This is what confuses me most about the argument against it. He didn't expose anyone to anything they don't already hear on a daily/near-daily basis anyways. He wasn't attacking or demeaning anyone. He just was passionate and communicated that passion through language that - like it or not - is part of the daily lexicon of many people already.

CalTran 07-05-2016 23:11

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Originally Posted by TAlholm (Post 1584921)
People are exposed to this language on a daily basis. (Then again, I do go to school in a city)

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Originally Posted by Pretzel (Post 1584924)
This is what confuses me most about the argument against it. He didn't expose anyone to anything they don't already hear on a daily/near-daily basis anyways. He wasn't attacking or demeaning anyone. He just was passionate and communicated that passion through language that - like it or not - is part of the daily lexicon of many people already.

While I agree with this for the most part, the problem that arises is both the FLL kids as well as it's not language you would expect in a more "formal" environment of an awards ceremony that you would expect.

I do agree with the message though. Delivery, however, probably could have used some work.

Ozuru 08-05-2016 01:37

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Page 15. Never change, CD.

techhelpbb 08-05-2016 09:54

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Originally Posted by Ozuru (Post 1584950)
Page 15. Never change, CD.

Wonders if CD topics scale with usage of offending terms or merely as a resource leak?

Kidding....

Ringo5tarr 11-05-2016 10:28

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Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1581261)
Anyone remember when a former US president was at Champs? Maybe we should get back to that type of VIP instead of these "music" clowns.

Does anyone remember when we had competitions in high schools? Maybe we should go back to that type of competition instead of having these "political" pigs.

Akash Rastogi 11-05-2016 14:32

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Originally Posted by Ringo5tarr (Post 1585853)
Does anyone remember when we had competitions in high schools? Maybe we should go back to that type of competition instead of having these "political" pigs.



It's over...go home.


suriously 13-05-2016 08:51

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Originally Posted by hectorcastillo (Post 1581258)
I'm waiting for the t-shirt/button.

T-shirts with #TSIMFD are available here. If you use the coupon code TSIMFD you can get 10% off your entire order.:D

gblake 14-05-2016 00:53

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Originally Posted by Pretzel (Post 1584924)
This is what confuses me most about the argument against it. He didn't expose anyone to anything they don't already hear on a daily/near-daily basis anyways.

I'll bet a paycheck that you are mistaken.

You need to get out more ;) i if you think everyone (or everyone who was there) hears that those particular words on a daily/near-daily basis.

It's a simple fact that they don't. Not even close. I don't know what the percentage would be, and I'm not saying that the percentage is low, but it's plenty far away from 100%

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Originally Posted by frasnow (Post 1583917)
Many people clearly find his language offensive. I doubt most parents or teachers would agree 'The "f-bomb" label is not applicable to every use of the "f-word".'

I am astounded by your opinion about that. I know my life/experiences have not exposed me to everything the world has to offer, but an overwhelming number of the parents and teachers I have gotten to know so far, would most definitely not approve. I would love to have some real data to replace our two opinions. Do you have any?

Blake

dirtbikerxz 14-05-2016 09:59

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techhelpbb 14-05-2016 11:07

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Hey FIRST was right:
It is not about the robot!
It is about Will's fleeting case of foul language.

Plenty of people said it mattered here.
Plenty of people said it was inconsequential.

If it is inconsequential let's drop this and focus on the kids' futures.

If it matters and you really can not undo this: what more for the kids can you do by continuing?

I get part of success is maintaining an image suitable: but part of success is being realistic about what you can do.

Gregor 14-05-2016 11:44

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