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If your takeaway from the VIP stories is "we should make VIPs easier to identify so that no one is accidentally a jerk to them", I think you're missing the point of the story.
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Quite frankly, a blanket "no saving seats" rule is not reasonable in the face of many common scenarios, such as:
-Teams or their guests arriving at different times -Parts of teams temporarily leaving their seats for, say, lunch, the pits, or even the bathroom There needs to be new rules that properly balance these needs against the understandable concern to not have the entire seating area partitioned on Thursday, with no room for guests or later attendees. I'm not sure what it is, but... |
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What the rule says (implies) is that when folks arrive late, they can either form a new group that sits wherever seats are open, or the entire group (both the original- and later-arrivals) can move as much as is necessary to find a large-enough block(s) of seats. This is precisely the point. I am more than confident that whoever wrote the No Saving Seats rule was 100% aware of your first scenario, and wrote the rule to expressly forbid a "saving seats" response to it. If people stop saving seats for folks who are arriving "later" :rolleyes:, I think the second point you make will very nearly disappear. There might be a few things left to iron out (especially around the lunchtime topic), but I predict the big picture will be much improved. Blake |
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Here's what I think most likely happened: You took some convenient seats that belonged to some scouts - probably had some supplies around the seats, but nobody in them directly - and the team saw you. They then said something along the lines of "Hey, we were sitting here" and proceeded to sit around you, not doing anything to kick you out of your seat. You got mad you couldn't get the seats you wanted (and the seat you were saving, even though you're complaining about saving seats?) and decided to post about it on chief. This thread has the right idea, but I don't think things happened the way you claim they did, and I don't think this is as big of a problem as you claim. |
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What do I gain in exaggerating these events? Were you there? I will not justify myself as I do not have to. |
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Even if he embellished a little bit, this isn't exactly an out of the blue occurrence at the Championship, and I would think the dozens of posters replying in agreement would reinforce this. I certainly don't think that the OP was claiming he was kicked out and screamed at when actually nobody engaged him at all. |
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I will believe almost anything. |
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That doesn't sound like a recipe for "making it loud." |
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1) Are you the sole arbiter of "Adult mentors can monitor students in whatever sized groupings the adults care to use"? That's a non-answer. You MUST leave the discretion of that grouping to the mentors in charge, not to YOUR definitions. Many mentors want to keep their charges together in a certain location. You have to leave them the tools to accomplish the task, not proscribe them for you own selfish need to sit where you want. 2) How do you accommodate large teams that can't find a sufficiently large contiguous block of seats that will accommodate all of the students? It's not possible to do this without saving seats. 3) So you believe that scouting systems are entirely superfluous to the FRC experience? In other words the only important people on FRC teams are the pit crew and the drive team and everyone else be $@#$@#$@#$@#? The reality is that all of the successful teams have complex scouting systems that require close proximity. Why you would want to end technological innovation and the associated educational benefits that it creates simply because you want to be able to sit where ever you want sounds incredibly selfish. And you still haven't addressed my first point: tragedy of the commons problems are only solvable through rational resource allocations. They are never solved through "lets be nice." We have to address this straight up. BTW, I see that you are in FTC, not FRC. You don't even have standing on this particular issue because these issues of scouting and team size aren't relevant to FTC. |
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