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Michael Hill 11-05-2016 18:52

What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
We're at a point of the year where new products are probably being developed by FRC suppliers, so let's give them some ideas of what would help you build a better robot faster.

I'd personally like to see more 3/8" hex power transmission parts (sprockets, belt pulleys, etc.). Vex offers a 3/8" hex miter gear, but no power transmission means other than gears. We really wanted to use them on a 3-direction intake system, but kept hitting roadblocks. We could have gone with a round bore solution, but we went another direction.

I think a lot of us would like 3mm and 5mm pitch GT2 belt hex sprockets, though I understand there are patent issues with that.

What would you like to see?

IronicDeadBird 11-05-2016 20:34

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Everything that is currently being sold but in different colors. I would be interested in seeing if it would relieve some of the parts being bought out.

Billfred 11-05-2016 21:33

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird (Post 1585991)
Everything that is currently being sold but in different colors. I would be interested in seeing if it would relieve some of the parts being bought out.

How would different colors fix anything? Unless you had to boost the pre-color production to meet a MOQ, that doesn't change the quantity available (and even then, it creates more SKUs for vendors to have to pore over).

Sperkowsky 11-05-2016 21:52

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
A metal versaplanetary cim adaptor.
And
More beefy right angle gussets

s_forbes 11-05-2016 21:57

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
The COTs parts available through Vexpro, AndyMark, and McMaster made all of our design work very easy. I'm glad we have so many parts available now compared to years ago!

One part we end up making a lot of, and isn't easy to do if you are a low resource team with no mill/lathe, is spacer inserts for tubes. These let you do through-bolt connections that can be tightened without crushing the tube, so you actually have a strong bolted joint. For VexPro in particular, spacers like this that fit their Versaframe extrusion sizes could be very useful for some teams.


Eric Scheuing 11-05-2016 21:58

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Stronger alloy options for gear stages.

Kevin Leonard 11-05-2016 22:03

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 1586005)
The COTs parts available through Vexpro, AndyMark, and McMaster made all of our design work very easy. I'm glad we have so many parts available now compared to years ago!

One part we end up making a lot of, and isn't easy to do if you are a low resource team with no mill/lathe, is spacer inserts for tubes. These let you do through-bolt connections that can be tightened without crushing the tube, so you actually have a strong bolted joint. For VexPro in particular, spacers like this that fit their Versaframe extrusion sizes could be very useful for some teams.


+1

ASD20 11-05-2016 22:06

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Hex hubs with less slop. Would a steel version help with this problem?

R.C. 11-05-2016 22:21

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASD20 (Post 1586009)
Hex hubs with less slop. Would a steel version help with this problem?

No, steel hubs would not help. This is all dependent on the broach itself. Your best bet is to shim the hub if you want a tighter fit or custom make your hex shaft. Apparently soda cans work really well for shims! Just ask Devin ;)

ASD20 11-05-2016 22:32

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by R.C. (Post 1586011)
No, steel hubs would not help. This is all dependent on the broach itself. Your best bet is to shim the hub if you want a tighter fit or custom make your hex shaft. Apparently soda cans work really well for shims! Just ask Devin ;)

I'll have to try that. Thanks for the advice.

Derek Bessette 11-05-2016 22:39

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
VersaHub (1.125" Bearing Pilot, 3/8" Thick, w/ Plate Sprocket Mount)

daliberator 11-05-2016 22:53

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sperkowsky (Post 1586004)
A metal versaplanetary cim adaptor.

We had a versaplanetary and mini CIM cantilevered in a way that looks a lot like how you guys did it, and at Iowa it broke during an elims match. We didn't have time to redesign the mounting before our next event, so we ended up casting the adapter out of aluminum, and it worked great. It sure would be nice to buy one though :)

thinker&planner 11-05-2016 23:00

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
In line with the metal CIM versa adapter, it would be great to have a metal dual-motor input for the versaplanetary too. With the new 775 pro, way too much power can be run through the plastic dual-input stage.

Our team ended up using the same internals and CNCing some really simple replacement housings out of aluminum.

And in general, I would like to see less FRC specific COTS assemblies (like the butterfly drive pod from VEX) because (personal opinion) I don't like the direction that that is headed. More part-level COTS parts (not full assemblies of specialized mechanisms). I really like the idea of an assortment of spacers/standoffs (but McMaster is probably the best option).

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jkelleyrtp 11-05-2016 23:02

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Mostly spacers, standoffs, and more shaft selection.

Spacers
  • 1/4 Threaded spacer for 1/8" and 1/16" 1x1 and 2x1 Al tube
  • Delrin spacers for 3/8" hex and 1/2" and 3/8" round

Standoffs
  • Common standoffs availble through Vex/AM/WCP to save on McMaster orders
  • Round and hex variants

Shafts
  • Thunderhex-style 3/8" hex with bore and similar variants for 1/2" and 3/8" round
  • Some grinding on the thunderhex to improve fit with hex bearings
  • Perhaps some steel variants of the current thunderhex/bored round shaft

Also, a more robust option for VP encoders. As mentioned above, plastic would be nice, but the boards and wires themselves need some sort of reinforcement.

ASD20 11-05-2016 23:08

Re: What COTS parts would you like to see?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jkelleyrtp (Post 1586020)
Mostly spacers, standoffs, and more shaft selection.

Spacers
  • 1/4 Threaded spacer for 1/8" and 1/16" 1x1 and 2x1 Al tube
  • Delrin spacers for 3/8" hex and 1/2" and 3/8" round

VexPro offers an assortment of delrin 3/8 and 1/2 inch hex spacers.
http://www.vexrobotics.com/vexpro/ha...rs-vexpro.html


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