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Hi all, I come bringing sad news

According to this post, FRC Team 233 Pink Team is retiring. A remarkable team who have done remarkable work and impacts over the course of their years in FIRST. A Floridian, as well as world, powerhouse that has paved a path like no other, it goes without saying that if this unconfirmed news is true, they will be so greatly missed.

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Until it is officially released, this is hearsay and rumor. Please, treat it as such.

I concur. Until an official communication to the FRC community is released, this is a complete rumor. This Twitter post is insignificant and could very well be false.

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I'm going to not believe it until there is official confirmation, partly because that is what makes sense to do, and partly because I don't want to believe it.

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They're still signed up for IRI in July at least.

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According to the mysterious twitter poster they will not be announcing their retirement until after IRI. The poster claims to know this because she has a friend on the team. Either the twitter poster is a terrible friend or a liar.

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Teams fold every year without formal announcements. If 233 is folding they don't owe anything to anybody in the FRC community to announce it. If they are and they do that's a nice thing to do but not necessary nor should it be expected.

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Whether or not this is true, I'm confused about the word "retiring".

I know many teams disband from lack of funds, lack of interest, lack of mentors, but I'd never describe that as "retiring'.

I'm not sure if it turns out to be true if we'll ever hear a reason, but here's hoping they can turn it around.

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Retired is the term for any FRC team that stops competing. Resurrected is the term used for any team that was retired and came back again (ex. Rookie year 1999. Competes from 1999 to 2008. Comes back in 2011). I don't think that term was used the wrong way.

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Thanks and I didn't mean that anything was 'wrong'.

It's just that the word 'retire' is a good thing to must of us old guys.

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I find this rumor a little hard to believe. Then again, no one thought a team as strong as 1717 would dissolve, either. Until I hear more, I'm not believing anything.

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So as someone on a Florida Team (and one with a very long history with 233) I am surprised and also not surprised by this announcement/speculation/misinformed youth.

Reasons it could be true:
• 233 is much smaller than it was when I first joined FIRST a long time ago
• Kennedy Space Center keeps facing budget cuts and 233 is their only "in house" team


Reasons I don't think it is true:
• 233 is not facing a massive drop in members as they are a current;y a similar size as their 2014 Team
• If they were facing budget constraints they would not have attended 3 regionals (Orlando, Bayou, and Lone Star)
• If they were losing a build space or something of the like many teams in the area would offer assistance
• They continue to contend for the culture and robotics awards so getting dropped by the school for lack of performance does not make sence
• Finally members of their team did not make this statement, a member of 2512 did.

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I have nothing to say on whether they are or aren't retiring but this is definitely wrong. Mike Dininny has worked for NASA his entire career and remains there today.

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My apologies I was misinformed, happens to the best of us.

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Until it is confirmed by 233 I do not believe this should be treated as reliable information. Certainly misunderstandings occur and remember this is likely 3rd or 4th hand information provided without proof by someone not affiliated with there team.

Pink has always been an awesome team to work with and I hope they will continue to be as great as they always have been.

Agreed.

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*Edit*

*Edit2* reference post removed

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Honestly nobody should take this to heart until 233 has an official statement on the matter. 233 is an awesome team and I don't see any reason why they would so suddenly retire.

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Yep, we'll be at IRI.

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I can only hope that this is not true. I'd hate to see such an amazing team leave FRC.

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Let's see, it was posted on the Rumor Mill forum, with a link to the source material, containing the phrase

Even being posted by a brand new account with no name and team number, there's no reason to give negative rep here.

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Does anyone know why in 2014 at Orlando Regional the alliance that 233 is on got 0 points in both quarter finals matches?

Here's the link.

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Their alliance received a red card in both matches because one of the robots was significantly out of the rules (that robot had a second battery on board as ballast for playing defense).

Source: I was there in the stands

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A retroactive DQ for robots not in compliance of robot Rules.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...t=orlando+2014


It is sad news to hear Team PINK will be coming to an end.

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In my humble opinion, anonymous accounts deserve negative rep.

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Why?

That does not follow the CD's FAQ

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That's insane... Did nobody think it was a bad idea to use that and not something like scrap metal?

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Anonymous accounts generally do break forum rules, unless the poster does not have another account I guess...

It wasn't explicitly against the rules that year, a rule prohibiting the practice had been removed. The ruling created some controversy that probably shouldn't be rehashed here; do some searching to find the old threads.

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Interesting, they will be at IRI; but he did not confirm or deny the rumor.

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Anonymous also typically falls into "not gracious". Whoever created this thread has stirred up some controversy. Whether it was with malice, I don't know.

Not to mention - why would the user care if their anonymous account gets negative rep? The anonymous account isn't created to have a reputation.




As a side bar, someone has just negative repped me for "You can not make up reasons to give neg rep". I didn't rep the OP, but the irony is strong with this one.


EDIT - I appreciate all the support, but please save your good (and bad) reps for posts deserving it.

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LOL

Let them know that there are more things in Heaven, Earth, and CD, than are dreamt of in their philosophy. :rolleyes:

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My apologies. I did not mean to imply that any individual specifically gave the negative rep; I have no way of knowing who did it, but based on the red dot, it was obviously done. I have not given anyone negative rep for this thread.

Addendum:

Didn't they have a manual handy?

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I wasn't on the field, but reliable sources said that using the batterie(s) for ballast was OK'd be the inspectors before the start of the quarter finals. Then, there was a change of mind, and a call to FIRST HQ.

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Team 233 coach Andy Bradley did a good interview just after the ruling. Unfortunate situation, but all teams on both alliances had good intent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=P...&v=QiOBdio4PPo

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Let's just say that posting something that the twitter account even stated the team did not want to announce until after IRI is more than enough reason to give negative rep. Spreading rumors, even on the interwebs should not be condoned.

But, hey, feel free to neg rep me for this. They are only dots after all.

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The wording was updated after this incident so that it was clear in future years.

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I'm not sure why this thread was created. Whoever posted it obviously knew they didn't want people to know about it until after IRI, but blabbed about it anyway. What happened to "keep your mouth shut"?

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This, If the person really is friends with a member of the team they wouldn't do this. This sort of information is for them to come out with. It's like if your friend/family member had a baby and you posted the name on facebook before they could announce it.

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Amen to this. It's in the rumor mill from an anonymous account linking to a Twitter post from somebody not even on 233 so I'd honestly not care about it that much. To everyone, just keep in the back of your mind that 233 might be retiring next year, and they might not. No official statement has been made. Regardless, I wish all members of the Pink team the best as they continue their journeys throughout FIRST, whether they take place on 233 or not.

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I quoted this from a 29 Jan version of the manual.

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Don't tell anyone else yet but if everything holds true, 422 will unfortunately be competing next year. Sorry.

Great thread everyone!

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Of 2016?

Because this happened back in 2014

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R32 from 2014 Year of the beach ball
No rule specifically against more than one battery on the robot. Just only one battery allowed to POWER the robot. R8 safety violation for using lead & acid for ballast. Question on rather or not robot was properly reinspected after modification. Currently inspectors are a lot more stringent documenting on re inspections because of this incident.

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Red dotting cause someone you don't know posted on Delphi? That kind of promotes Anon's and Throwaways.
All accounts are anonymous until someone feels comfortable enough to share personal information. Throwaway accounts will always be useful as long as people don't feel welcome. If someone wants to post something controversial for the sake of something that truly matters to them, but they don't want it to blow back on the team then it makes sense to make a throwaway (multi accounting isn't allowed though.)
/rantover

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What red dot?

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This thread now includes:
- An anonymous report of the demise of team based on a Twitter post
- Someone calling the Twitter user a liar or a bad friend
- A tangential discussion of a DQ issued 3 seasons ago
- Someone quoting a rule from 2016 in reference to the DQ from 2014
- An argument over the ethics of giving a red dot to an anonymous report based off a Twitter post

I think this thread just won "ChiefDelphi is terrible Bingo".

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We're still missing "Personal Attacks Over the Idea of a District System in X State/Region."

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someone call Rahul.

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Still missing a water game post. And some ridiculous nonsense that someone then calls a game hint.

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It has a good score but we can do better:

Mentor built
#2champs
Minnesota districts
Water game
Thank you Frank for being transparent
Why can't FIRST be more transparent?
Video review

Can someone make a real bingo board?

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Do we need another flyer?

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Wait I think based on two recent posts we are hearing rumor of a water based bingo game.
Perhaps this post was initiated only to draw out that rumor. Which I would estimate to be its best accomplishment.

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We still need the anonymous accounts like WestCoastBestCoast to chime in

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Sorry; missed that point. Yes.

It was there when this post was about two replies old until at least the early afternoon. Apparently the positive reps later have (over) compensated.

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I heard it started with some confusion about which restrooms to use at the championship, the stereotypical team gender color that they identify with now (The Pink Team) or their stereotypical team gender color when the team started (Roccobots).

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Anonymous accounts should be banned.

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You're not helping, and just causing irony, in poor taste.

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You can add paper airplanes and Will.i.am's comment on Einstein to the list

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I know it's still just a rumor but it makes you think.

It doesn't warrant another thread, but I was just told today the team I am an alumni of is quitting FRC post this season after 13 years of competition. (FRC 1102)

They've quit all their FIRST teams in favor of Vex teams.

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Also add:
Shouting "ROBOT" between the pit and the field
Inconsistent rulings
Ridiculous safety surveys (no, randomsafteycaptain, we do not travel with a defibrillator) and other empty acts used to earn safety awards
...

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Don't forget the offseason defenses, portcullis safety hazard debate, illegal goal blocking (cheesecake)robots, time of practice field closure, noise level, and seating issues.

You don't!? :ahh:

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Some more entries for the bingo card:

Mentor-built vs Student-built
Extending the build season
If all-girls teams/programs are OK then all-boys teams/programs are too
Losing a match on purpose
FTC vs FRC - How much emphasis should each receive?
Is "excited" the same thing as "inspired"?
FRC isn't primarily a competition
Artificially limiting FTC events to only middle school students

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Accepting getting penalties as part of a grander strategy.

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If this is true, that's truly a shame.

My rookie year, 2014, I remember seeing their bot compete at the Chesapeake Regional and being pretty blown away as a freshman. When we could barely put a robot on the field I looked to 233's slick looking bot as a source of inspiration to improve for the next year.

Hope it's just a rumor.

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I agree. They're so annoying.

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Another entry for the bingo card:

Complaining about Chief Delphi's problems in a post about 233.

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I would not surprised if more teams left FIRST for Vex due to the change in the championships configuration.

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If the VEX folks are lucky, that will happen so often that the number of VEX teams will become too large to be accommodated in a single championship. :D

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but we are now including people leapfrogging off of a clever post to add more things to it until :deadhorse:

:P

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I'm going to go full Wil Payne here;

can somebody please just close the darn thread

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Wil Payne never stops his antics.

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I've started a separate thread on the question of vex vs. FRC. I hope Pink isn't leaving.

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Hmm...

It would appear that the original tweet and/or the account was deleted.

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Never go full Will Payne.

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Just the original tweet was deleted.

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This train has no brakes.

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Was inspired to create bingo boards. Have fun!

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great laugh..!

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Someone make Cards Against Chief Delphi a real thing.

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Would Andy Baker be the win all card?

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Ask and you shall receive: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/3265

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I'm getting confused.

Was the "sad day" the day Karthik wrote "I think this thread just won 'ChiefDelphi is terrible Bingo'" :D, or the day we heard from a sketchy source that the Pink team might drop out of FRC :(?

Each is able to make people sad. ;)

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So this is already a thing, thanks reddit.

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Vex is much better than FTC.

(waiting for someone to bingo....)

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Can we make a rule that if bingo is mentioned the example is invalidated.

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The refereeing inconsistency is too **** high!

There, I made my contribution to the blar. ::safety::

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Ya know, in some cases I might actually agree. In others, them's fightin' words!

I'm a ref, so for this specific one I'm going to have to go with option 1.

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Credits

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Need to add "This thread should be closed" to the Bingo Card.

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Speaking of which...

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Only 1 per thread or my rep will plummet....

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no one threw in "mentor built bots" yet? :P :D

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I listed it earlier. Didn't it get onto a card? :'(

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We welcome anonymous accounts over at /r/FRC with open arms. Just don't be a d-bag.

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It appears rumors of their demise have been greatly exaggerated

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THEY'RE ALIVE!

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you are the reaction gif god

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I try ;)

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Yep, the team will continue, but it looks like some things will be quite different.

I may, or may not be with the team this year, depending on whether I am homeless in Florida, as the result of Matthew. If it turns out as bad as projected, I may be spending much of "the season" in Indiana.

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Please let us know if those of us in Indiana can be of assistance if you end up here for a while.

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Thanks for the offer. I'm a "snow bird" and have a place it Kokomo, where I can stay longer than I usually do if need be. It looks like the storm wasn't as bad as it might have been in my area in Florida. I should know more in a day or so.