Best low goal robot
 

Which team, who SOLELY did low goals was the most effective this season?

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25

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2122 is the top that transitioned to a high goal. 1011 was also a great low goal bot.

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two from the PNW:
1425
5803

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I'm not sure as far as the whole world went but in IN, here are my top 2.

71- Had a very effective scaler. The scale was essentially 2 high goals. Their cycle time was also fairly low. Their low goal auto worked about half of the time too.

1529- They also had a low goal auto that I saw work at least once at IN DCMPS. I'm not sure how well it worked at worlds. They also had really fast cycle times for scoring and showed to be a great feeder bot. They also had played some great defense at IN DCMPS too.

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In GA
1746
4468

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I'm surprised 3683 hasn't been mentioned yet. Their driver is great and their climber is fast.

Almost forgot, 5401 had a great showing as well. Very clean design, it's beautiful up close.

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5406, Celt-X, was really efficient

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238 was an extremely effective low goaler - They were finalists at GSD and Boston, as well as winners at UNC Ashville.

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I'd argue for 3683. Just go watch their incredible driving in division semis. It's inspiring.
There are other excellent low goalers to name, however, including:
25
1425
639
1511
5406

To name just a few. All of these teams did excellent this season because they prioritized low goals, climbing, and driving practice over spending their resources on a high goal shooter.

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Just teams I've noticed:

From the PNW-
1425
2990
4061
5803

Elsewhere-
71
836
1011
1418
3506
3604
3683

836 and 1418 dominating the CHS district championship with up to 15 low goals per match has got to be up there in terms of low goal achievements this season!

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Just sorted the final version of the 4536 scouting database (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/3248) by Low goals teleop. This does not exclude teams with high goal capability.

The only superb low goal specialist I got to see in person was team 233 in Orlando, where they seeded 1st and won the event. They won the Orlando and Bayou regionals, and were finalists at the Lone Star regional and Carson subdivision.

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I thought that 1058 did a really good job.

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1153 and 2370 were very effective low-goal-only robots in NE.

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Curie had a whole lot of great low goal shooters. 3546, 5406, 1511, 25, just to name a few.

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1058 switched to high goals at the New England District Championship.
233 is an excellent example I forgot about.
836 and 1418 are two other incredible ones I forgot.

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5624. Two MAR District Event wins this year. They were on the alliance holding the record for most teleop low goals scored in a match, with themselves scoring 10 low goals alone.

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233 is a superb low goaler.

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This conversation begins and ends with 3683.

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+1 to the people who've said 5803 and 2990 - Apex had one of the quickest scores into the low goal I've seen, and 2990's collector & ability to starve their opponents of boulders was the reason that their alliance defeated the Newton upset alliance.

I'd also like to add 1983 and 610, both solid low goal robots that transitioned to high goal over the course of the season

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3683 was by far the fastest I had personally seen. I generally like objective data though, and haven't seen 1425 play so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Any conversation about the best low goal robot has to include 3102. They had one of the best drivers I have ever seen. Their robot was simple, robust and could pick up boulders, cross defenses and score with ease. They were semi-finalists at Lake Superior and won Wisconsin.

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I will second 3102 and also add 6175 - a crazy effective low goal that breached and scored in auton near every time.

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5150 - MI

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I want to add 3005 and 836 to this list. Both of these teams had fantastic seasons pushing tons of balls into the low goal (and both in curie). 3005 was even the captain of the finalist alliance.

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Yeah, 836 was incredible, mainly due to the speed at which they went around the field. The effectiveness of a low goal bot is 80% the speed and skill of a driver. A statistic I find incredible is that 3/4 of the alliance leaders (us included) on Curie were dedicated low goal shooters. (Not sure if Apex is dedicated to low goals, correct me if I'm wrong)

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Our bad. :p

Even though they had a shooter mounted all season, 319 was probably one of the top low goal machines in New England this year.

For pure low goals 238 was a beast.

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at least 3 people have mentioned 5803 (APEX) on here already :P ... so yes, low goal only.

they were incredibly good at ranking high - first at DCMP, 4th at CMP

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I'm going with 5624. They could take down the tower on their own, and they consistently scored enough boulders to help their alliance win as the first pick of the #7 alliance at both of their district events.

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was, they put a high goal shooter on for championships.

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They were actually quarter-finalists at Lake Superior, but had more than enough potential to take down the 2nd seed in Quarters, they nearly did.. Anyway I agree that 3102 and 6175 also deserve to be mentioned- both of them had efficient low goal bots that were simple, but effective at this years game. I was glad 3102 won their first regional this year, definitely was long awaited for them. 6175 was even picked at champs this years. Also, I can't leave out 4536 either. They also had an efficient low goal bot that was simple yet effective.

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In terms of total points scored, I think 25 wins here. With their low goal auto and consistent climb, they were MAR's best low goaler and one of the best this year. However, their drive train is relatively slow, putting a limit on how many cycles they can complete compared to other low goal cyclers (though it does give them a ton of pushing power).

My vote for fastest low goaler goes to 5624. They really are fast, putting in as many as ten low goals a match. As Ryan mentioned, they and 223 set the record for most teleop low goals in a match this year. They won two events on the #7 alliance this year as first pick. I was floored to see them go unpicked at MAR Champs and Archimedes, especially when some alliances failed to capture after not picking a robot that can take down the tower by itself.

Both robots are incredibly effective, and 1257 was fortunate to play in elims with both of them this season.

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Obviously, this is going to be a little biased here, but I think our bot this year was a really strong low goaler, especially after we fixed our intake issue. Once we got the issues tweaked, I could easily put in 7 low goals (more if I focused only on them) while destroying 2-3 defenses, by ourselves. That combined with the fact that we never broke down, makes me believe it was a strong low goaler.

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Don't forget 1675; they were great all season.

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A deeper dive at just how good 3683 was this year.

GTR Central
#1 Seed
9-1, 31 RS
Regional Champs
1st in OPR (by 16+ points!)

Waterloo
#3 Seed (In an event that featured 148, 610, 1114, 1241, 2056, 4039, 4678, 5406)
9-4, 40 RS
Semifinalists (Took one match off of the eventual Champions 1241/610/3560, the same alliance how ended 2056's streak)
7th in OPR

Galileo
#2 Seed
8-2, 34 RS
Semifinalists
13th in OPR

These guys were consistently scoring with and competing against some of the best high goal robots in the world and managed to play to their level and then some. Utterly impressive for a low goal + hang strategy.

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1775 deserves a mention here as well. I remember going into Iowa confident that we would be the best low goal robot, but was then shocked to discover that they could weaken the tower by themselves, while we struggled to score 4.

They won Kansas City and then ranked third and were finalists at Iowa, which had no shortage of good high goalers.

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Watching them drive in eliminations was like watching art. It was just phenomenal how consistently aware and smooth their drivers were.

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25 had a fantastic low goal robot.

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Death by low goal is pretty much how 3506 did well at all of our events. Low goals fed by our human player over the second defense plus hanging. If we ever ran into a high goal robot we simply had a strategy in place to shut them down. With the level of play in NC, it worked every single time.

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We had a very tough time trying to defend against their effective low goal shooter at Pittsburgh. They ended up winning by 3 points against us, 3504, and 2614, in eliminations, but they ended up winning the competition. Good job 5406, it was a great match and hope to see your team in Pittsburgh next year.:D

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In terms of Chesapeake, our home district, 836 and 1418 definitely stole the show in terms of low-goal capability.

Yet, what really intrigued me was that between Finals 1 and 2, there were 0 high goals scored, and there wasn't a bot out there on the field that could score a high goal. Although this was in part due to our alliance having to bring in a backup bot, such an experience really highlights the potential effectiveness of low-goal bots this year.

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Another vote for 3683 - Team DAVE out of Waterloo, Ontario.

They could comfortably solo a tower take-down with 10+ low goals, and hang at the end of a match. They could solo breach every defense, including category Cs. Their crossing speeds were elite.

In conjunction with how much ball control advantage they gave their alliance, they were a very dangerous robot. I think a lot of teams got caught underestimating them because they were a low-goal robot.

This is one of those robots that I wish more teams took a good look at, especially low to medium resource teams. It is a great example of how to build a really successful robot by choosing to do something simple extremely well.

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Thanks! That was before we got our climber running too :) Pittsburgh is definitely a possibility for 2017, pending what they decide to do with Ontario districts.

The low goal strategy was a big gamble. We knew that eventually high goal shooters would be able to put up points that would overtake us, but we figured that in early regionals at least, a low goal robot would be able to run more cycles, and therefore pickup more breach and capture ranking points. The nice surprise was that (after extra practice and the addition of an auto ball) we were able to seed pretty high through Waterloo and into Champs too. For whatever reason, Stronghold kept things pretty balanced between the low goal and high goal right to the end.

I'll put my vote down for Team Dave 3683 as well. They shared our practice field, and we watched them drive rings around the defenses, scoring 7 or 8 "combined cycles" (crossing a new defense every second time). Throw in an auto ball and a fast climb, and they could hold their own against most high-goal shooters - definitely an inspiration for our team.

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i was mostly watching MAR, but they do have some incredibly strong low goal robots.

5624 was by far one of the most capable in terms of just low goaling, taking down the tower solo at their bridgewater event nearly every match. They were also with the alliance that set the record for most tele-op low goals and even scoring 10 low goals themselves.

1257 was a fast and capable breecher bot and low goaler at all of their events. they were able to consistently breech every match and capture in most of them. they took down the defenses faster than most robots and could cycle to the low goal incredibly quick

25 is incredibly fast at the low goal, but they also had a very consistent scaler to bring to the table. they could cycle 6-7 boulders, but like 1257 was also a solid breecher in a pinch. their scaler was the icing on the cake because it was very fast and very consistent.

All 3 did incredibly at worlds, with 25 being an alliance captain on curie, 1257 playing in the Archimedes semifinals, and 5624 going unpicked in Archimedes which was unfortunate as they could still put 4-6 low goals with shut down defense being played.

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1425 Error Code Xero ranked 2nd in Hopper amidst 3 high goal shooters that put in as many as 10 high goals each. They had the highest low goal OPR of all teams.

5803 Apex got to 4th on Curie as a rookie, and ranked 1st at the PNW champs.

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Prior to their transition to high goal shooters, both 319 and 1058 in NE had great low goal robots.

1425 Error Code Zero

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When I think of low goal robots, I think of 1418, 3683, and 1011. All were really good this year.

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3683
610
5803
5807
5406

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I'll add another to the 1058 bucket. As a sole low goaler prior to district champs they were able to shovel boulders into the low goal with ease, and secure the climb.

I saw their strength in two areas, the obvious being the points put on the board from their defense crosses, boulders scored, and those precious climb points. The second being what that does for the alliance on a psychological level. The consistency and enthusiastic-yet-calm demeaned that 1058 played with meant that many team played their best when on the field beside 1058.

~DK

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Agreed, we played them and they did exceptionally well. :)

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My opinion, 5150 The hybrid hornets outta FIM. They were the captian of their alliance at MSC and made it to the finals against 67 27 1718 6086. And they played well. They consistently shot low goal and played killer defense in Elims at MSC.