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I don't think anyone will get "hurt" with this proposed system. That seems like over-reacting to me. This seems harmless and similar to kids training each other (which our kids do all the time, by the way!)
One thing I will say. I encourage my kids, my team, everyone I talk to, to "steal from the best, invent the rest". I don't mean this as a slight, but the students on F4 do not represent the premier contributors and competitors of FRC. They are an enthusiastic group of students with at least one Dean's List winner, which is great. However, if I was a student/mentor/anyone looking to better my situation, I would use the best resources I have available that I feel comfortable using. My post here indicates my feelings around this topic: Quote:
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I don't inherently see an issue with students seeking advice from other students, but I do have a major concern with the F4 Connect approach:
The premise/focus seems to be anonymity or privacy, yet you're using Google Docs in a way that appears to allow all 60 or so of the students to access the information. The privacy may be a mirage, and that can be dangerous. If someone's information gets out somehow, either through gossip, hacking, unauthorized access, etc., it could be a huge issue. Especially if there is information being shared which can compromise safety/security of a student (eg, something which has the potential for retaliation, personally identifiable information combined with phone numbers etc.). In a community which bills itself as a anonymous/private resource, it is far less likely that students will be cautious about the details. Posting on CD in a public forum has little expectation for privacy. Sending a PM initiates a private conversation with one person. Sending a supposedly anonymous message in which the other end can be seen by 60 people, and suddenly having your message content being spread around can be disastrous. The creation of F4 Connect, and the amount of support already garnered for it indicates to me that there is a legitimate concern within the student FRC community. The feedback is that a large number of students do not feel comfortable posting on CD. I'm just not sure the approach here is the right way to address that. |
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I had a huge post written up, but deleted it because it would just further the argument.
Instead of flaming F4 Connect, please try to post constructive criticism or words for improvement. Unless somebody brings up some huge/drastic thing that completely change's The F4 Board's opinion, F4 Connect is here to stay. No matter what happens to this thread, be it cluttered, or locked, or something else, students (and adults!) can always ask on F4 Connect. EDIT: Only the F4 elected board can see responses to the form; that's 6 people total who swap out once every six (?) months. They are very responsible students who have passed the inspection of many DLFs, team leaders, and me. :P |
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As a note to everybody else: please remember to read previous responses before posting something you think is new. :D |
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We have 6 Deans List Finalists students. 2 of our students were on Einstein this year (and both were interviewed). We have people from #teamifi teams and people from The United States, Canada, and Australia. We have team leaders from teams that have won District championships and even a person who was the operator on your winning alliance last year at worlds. Are we the best no but I consider us pretty decent ;) |
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The Board decides who and how to handle F4 Connect messages, so having people completely new (and therefore not well known to the board) to F4 handling F4 Connect messages should be very rare. |
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Coincidentally, I am curious to see how this turns out. I don't think this is really such a bad idea in theory but the practice could leave much to be desired. Realistically, not involving a lot of experienced people help answer tough questions could prove be damaging but I respect your efforts. Chief is a scary place, in no thanks to some posts that I make (i think they are justifiable but still can be aggressive) Let’s give the kids a chance to voice their concerns in some channel. Even if it has its flaws, I think CD is still the best channel but F4 can't be stopped to do what they want. Juggling this program will become very challenging, I imagine. Even if you disagree to this idea, maybe making a report on this program available to CD after this summer and feel period would be a good faith move. Remove names and affiliations and post questions and answers (and relevant outcomes to them) after some time has passed. Kudos to you kids on the effort, but please do the right thing when undertaking this. |
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I see Connect as a place less experienced students and teams could go as a place to be 'connected' to someone who is not necessarily an expert, but is reasonably proficient in their area of concern and can work with them long term as essentially a consultant (or a sort of mini-mentor). An example: A team is looking to design a custom drive train for the first time. They are connected to someone who has worked on custom drive train design for their team for the last few years. Over the course of a few weeks, the team exchanges CAD files and other design ideas with the person, who provides some feedback and shares some of the lessons and tricks he has learned from his own prior experiences designing drive trains. Would the advice provided be perfect? No, and it shouldn't be expected to be. However, I would say it would be reasonable to assume that the final product would be better than without advice. Ideally, you would be connect with someone geographically close to you, so you could interact in person and at competitions as well as just digitally. It does not necessarily have to be students, though I think that students would be able to provide reasonable quality assistance. Essentially, it could be a way for teams with less mentor-resources to receive some focused mentoring and for more experienced and passionate students to take what their mentors have taught them and pass it on by mentoring themselves. |
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I'll wait for you to make up your mind before I decide what I think of this latest proposed Balkanization of the community. |
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