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Coach Norm 02-06-2016 08:16
Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
Texas Mentors and Coaches received the email below yesterday regarding Districts in Texas.

Norman


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You are receiving this email because you are the main or alternate contact of a FIRST Robotics Competition team in Texas. Please read the email in its entirety.


Over the past several years, FIRST in Texas, the FRC Regional Directors in Texas, Senior Mentors, and other Texas organizers have worked together to research and evaluate District Model implementation in Texas. We have met with our friends in other states and regions who have already adopted the District Model (Michigan, New England, Pacific Northwest, Chesapeake, Indiana, South Carolina, and Georgia) to learn from their experience so that we can make the best decisions for our state. The change is not just to the size of FRC events, but includes significant changes to financial responsibility, team opportunity within the state, and, in our great state of Texas, geography and team travel costs. Our shared goal is to increase accessibility and opportunity for our teams in Texas, including the ability to sustain expected team growth for years to come.

After careful consideration and planning, we submitted a District Model draft proposal to FIRST Headquarters in May. Over the next few weeks, we will work with FIRST HQ to jointly determine if our logistics and funding plans match their expectations and those of the board of FIRST in Texas. Our goal is to make a final decision by the end of June as to whether or not Texas is moving to the District Model in 2017.

If we decide to move forward, you will receive extensive information detailing the logistics, how we plan to move forward in the district model and what to expect.

We look forward to communicating our decision in the next few weeks, and we hope to see many of you in late July at the UIL State Championship—FIRST Division.

Regards,


Ray Almgren
Chair, FIRST in Texas

Akash Rastogi 02-06-2016 08:32
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
Hey Coach,

Will Texas be pushing for inter-district play (with points actually counting)?

-Akash

marshall 02-06-2016 08:42
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Norm (Post 1590796)
Texas Mentors and Coaches received the email below yesterday regarding Districts in Texas.

Norman
Quote:
You are receiving this email because you are the main or alternate contact of a FIRST Robotics Competition team in Texas. Please read the email in its entirety.


Over the past several years, FIRST in Texas, the FRC Regional Directors in Texas, Senior Mentors, and other Texas organizers have worked together to research and evaluate District Model implementation in Texas. We have met with our friends in other states and regions who have already adopted the District Model (Michigan, New England, Pacific Northwest, Chesapeake, Indiana, South Carolina, and Georgia) to learn from their experience so that we can make the best decisions for our state. The change is not just to the size of FRC events, but includes significant changes to financial responsibility, team opportunity within the state, and, in our great state of Texas, geography and team travel costs. Our shared goal is to increase accessibility and opportunity for our teams in Texas, including the ability to sustain expected team growth for years to come.

After careful consideration and planning, we submitted a District Model draft proposal to FIRST Headquarters in May. Over the next few weeks, we will work with FIRST HQ to jointly determine if our logistics and funding plans match their expectations and those of the board of FIRST in Texas. Our goal is to make a final decision by the end of June as to whether or not Texas is moving to the District Model in 2017.

If we decide to move forward, you will receive extensive information detailing the logistics, how we plan to move forward in the district model and what to expect.

We look forward to communicating our decision in the next few weeks, and we hope to see many of you in late July at the UIL State Championship—FIRST Division.

Regards,


Ray Almgren
Chair, FIRST in Texas
Is SC going district? I'm guessing he meant NC.

FrankJ 02-06-2016 09:48
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
NC, SC: They are almost in the same place. Maybe SC is being absorbed by NC. [duck and cover mode on] :)

GaryVoshol 02-06-2016 11:48
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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1590819)
NC, SC: They are almost in the same place. Maybe SC is being absorbed by NC. [duck and cover mode on] :)
Ittl bitty pieces are: http://wtop.com/tech/2016/05/altered...rent-carolina/

Michael Blake 02-06-2016 11:55
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Who has a copy of the submitted "District Model draft proposal" to share with Texas FRC teams?

The document wasn't attached to my copy of the email notification which I'm sure was just an oversight--so whoever has a copy of the proposal please share it here on CD.

In the meantime, I've emailed and asked FIRST in Texas HQ to send me a copy of the proposal and I'm sure they will send in support of transparency and keeping teams well informed on this development.

--Michael Blake

Jon Stratis 02-06-2016 12:13
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
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Originally Posted by Michael Blake (Post 1590879)
Who has a copy of the submitted "District Model draft proposal" to share with Texas FRC teams?

The document wasn't attached to my copy of the email notification which I'm sure was just an oversight--so whoever has a copy of the proposal please share it here on CD.

In the meantime, I've emailed and asked FIRST in Texas HQ to send me a copy of the proposal and I'm sure they will send in support of transparency and keeping teams well informed on this development.

--Michael Blake
Or, as is common when two legal entities are attempting to come to a contractual agreement, the details won't be made public until after the agreement is signed. It's not a question of transparency, it's a question of legal obligations for the two corporations. Personally, I wouldn't expect details to be made available until after an agreement was reached.

Michael Blake 02-06-2016 12:24
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
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Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1590883)
Or, as is common when two legal entities are attempting to come to a contractual agreement, the details won't be made public until after the agreement is signed. It's not a question of transparency, it's a question of legal obligations for the two corporations. Personally, I wouldn't expect details to be made available until after an agreement was reached.
Well... it is a question of transparency when it comes to how it will affect my teams that I have a responsibility to look out for.

To get the info _after_ the agreement is signed is TOO LATE to have an opportunity to review and comment and maybe to organize an effort to affect what the final agreement form is.

This change over is the BIGGEST thing to happen to Texas FRC teams, ever... and IMO the affected teams should be apprised of what's proposed and should be afforded an opportunity for input.

--Michael Blake

OccamzRazor 02-06-2016 13:45
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1590819)
NC, SC: They are almost in the same place. Maybe SC is being absorbed by NC. [duck and cover mode on] :)
Then they better give me SC gas prices and fireworks! I used to live in Lake Wylie where I could live in NC and see SC from my porch. I will just say that it is totally different even 150 feet away. Just look at the roads :eek:

On topic, I think SC should go districts too. They are surrounded by districts and Palmetto was huge this year. I know several teams that would like those multiple plays without needing to travel for hours to get them!

ahartnet 02-06-2016 14:26
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Blake (Post 1590889)
Well... it is a question of transparency when it comes to how it will affect my teams that I have a responsibility to look out for.

To get the info _after_ the agreement is signed is TOO LATE to have an opportunity to review and comment and maybe to organize an effort to affect what the final agreement form is.

This change over is the BIGGEST thing to happen to Texas FRC teams, ever... and IMO the affected teams should be apprised of what's proposed and should be afforded an opportunity for input.

--Michael Blake
Michael,

We (as Texas mentors) have had a chance to provide comments and input about districts for quite some time now. In May of 2015 an email was sent to all texas teams with everyone that is on the 20 person District Competition Committee and how to reach them. The committee is comprised of members from a range of types of teams. There were 5 POCs for the Alamo regional that the email literally urged you to correspond with to give your input.

IMO, like Jon said, it doesn't make sense to send out what was proposed. People will start planning towards what was proposed when FIRST could reject it out right, accept it as is, or suggest major modifications. Two of those three options could then cause plenty of people to get all up in a huff about the changes (whether it's "why wouldn't HQ accept that" or "why did HQ accept that").

Transparency is good. I think FiT sending out this email now saying that a proposal has been sent to HQ is being much more transparent than some things we've seen in the past. Even with all the UIL discussion, I didn't know there was really a chance to become UIL in the middle of the school year/build season, and threw me for a loop. This allows us to continue to make plans for regionals next year, while being prepared for possible changes, and lets us know that the "Texas districts soon" is a REAL thing this time around, as opposed to the past 2/3/4 years where I've heard "Texas districts soon".

waialua359 02-06-2016 14:34
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Looks like Texas will be a priority for us in 2017 if they dont go districts. Running out of places to play.
But anyhow, good luck with getting it. Any area that can implement districts is an overall benefit for all participating/eligible teams.:)

asid61 02-06-2016 14:35
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On one hand, I love district events and I think Texas moving to them is great.
On the other hand, no Texas teams in CA anymore. D:

mwmac 02-06-2016 14:46
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
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Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 1590950)
Looks like Texas will be a priority for us in 2017 if they dont go districts. Running out of places to play.
But anyhow, good luck with getting it. Any area that can implement districts is an overall benefit for all participating/eligible teams.:)
Boise is nice in the Spring;)

Link07 02-06-2016 14:47
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
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Originally Posted by FIRST (Post 1590952)
We have met with our friends in other states and regions who have already adopted the District Model (Michigan, New England, Pacific Northwest, Chesapeake, Indiana, South Carolina, and Georgia) to learn from their experience so that we can make the best decisions for our state.
Guess nobody called Mid-Atlantic.

Feelsbadman :(

Hallry 02-06-2016 14:49
Re: Districts in Texas proposal sent to FIRST
 
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Originally Posted by Link07 (Post 1590958)
Guess nobody called Mid-Atlantic.
Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that.


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