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Abhishek R 12-06-2016 13:23

FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
Read here on Forbes earlier today.

"FIRST recently announced a partnership with Toyota, and Kamen said he’s working with the company to make sure FIRST has a place at the 2020 Olympics, which will be held in Tokyo. Toyota is the largest single sponsor of the event."

Has anyone heard anything more about this? Sounds really exciting, even if it doesn't actually become an Olympic sport - can you imagine having Einstein in Tokyo? Would be great for the internationalization of FRC.

Electronica1 12-06-2016 13:25

Re: FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
So, would there be two Olympics then?

FrisbeeFunTime 12-06-2016 13:36

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Originally Posted by Electronica1 (Post 1592456)
So, would there be two Olympics then?

Woah, boulders fired.

Dragonking 12-06-2016 13:45

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At least then Einstein would be close to water. You know, in case for whatever reason we needed lots of water.

Water Game 2020!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

waialua359 12-06-2016 13:53

Re: FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
Rumor has it that some Robotics teams have already started planning on being at the Tokyo Olympics in 2020.:)

EDesbiens 12-06-2016 14:02

Re: FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1592455)
Has anyone heard anything more about this? Sounds really exciting, even if it doesn't actually become an Olympic sport - can you imagine having Einstein in Tokyo? Would be great for the internationalization of FRC.

FRC as an olympic sport would be epic! Though, the "athletes" would all be minor :ahh: and their career wouldn't be long... What about each country chooses a school to represent them at the olympic games?

Abhishek R 12-06-2016 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1592464)
FRC as an olympic sport would be epic! Though, the "athletes" would all be minor :ahh: and their career wouldn't be long... What about each country chooses a school to represent them at the olympic games?

Yeah, would be interesting to see how that works. I think FRC would have to grow exponentially in countries outside of North America should it be nation based like other Olympic sports - there really isn't enough representation right now.

EDesbiens 12-06-2016 14:19

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:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Abhishek R (Post 1592467)
Yeah, would be interesting to see how that works. I think FRC would have to grow exponentially in countries outside of North America should it be nation based like other Olympic sports - there really isn't enough representation right now.

True... Though it keeps growing and we still have 4 years to make it!
I'm trying to imagin how olympic FRC teams would be strong (or not)... They would get more sponsors, the best possible members and they would be trained and drilled to perform. Maybe we just shouldn't go there finally... Maybe it'll just destroy the spirit of FIRST.

BobbyVanNess 12-06-2016 15:03

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Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1592469)
I'm trying to imagin how olympic FRC teams would be strong (or not)... They would get more sponsors, the best possible members and they would be trained and drilled to perform. Maybe we just shouldn't go there finally... Maybe it'll just destroy the spirit of FIRST.

When a highschool sports team watches their world finals (ie. teams composed of the best possible members and trained to perform), does it serve as a detriment or an inspiration? I'm inclined to believe that it reminds us that there is always room for improvement and reason for the passion and dedication needed to reach the top.

It's also worth mentioning that an olympic team might not be too far beyond some of the current best FRC teams in terms of performance.

Sperkowsky 12-06-2016 15:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EDesbiens (Post 1592464)
FRC as an olympic sport would be epic! Though, the "athletes" would all be minor :ahh: and their career wouldn't be long... What about each country chooses a school to represent them at the olympic games?

Well most Woman Gymnasts in the Olympics are minors and most never see 2 Olympics so I guess its not unheard of.

EDesbiens 12-06-2016 15:20

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Originally Posted by bobby5150 (Post 1592481)
When a highschool sports team watches their world finals (ie. teams composed of the best possible members and trained to perform), does it serve as a detriment or an inspiration? I'm inclined to believe that it reminds us that there is always room for improvement and reason for the passion and dedication needed to reach the top.

It's also worth mentioning that an olympic team might not be too far beyond some of the current best FRC teams in terms of performance.

What about cooperation? I don't think those top notch teams would talk that much to each other...

Cory 12-06-2016 15:29

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You guys don't really think FRC could/should be an Olympic sport right?

As someone who loves the Olympics more than almost any other sporting event... if that somehow happened (in some alternate reality) I would be very unamused.

EDesbiens 12-06-2016 15:32

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I'd like FRC to be counted like a kind of E-sport... Or maybe something with the same visibility...

Sperkowsky 12-06-2016 15:34

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1592490)
You guys don't really think FRC could/should be an Olympic sport right?

As someone who loves the Olympics more than almost any other sporting event... if that somehow happened I would be very unamused.

I personally don't.

I also do not think robotics should be even remotely considered a sport.

So guess I do not exactly hold the popular opinions here.

In all reality an exhibition would be cool. But FRC as an real Olympic sport. Please no. That would be degrading to real Olympic sports where athletes dedicate their whole lives to being successful.

Basel A 12-06-2016 15:42

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Is this conversation actually happening right now? Here's a few of the sports proposed for the 2020 Olympics but were not selected: sumo, squash, American football, racquetball, and bowling.

Cory 12-06-2016 15:48

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1592493)
Is this conversation actually happening right now? Here's a few of the sports proposed for the 2020 Olympics but were not selected: sumo, squash, American football, racquetball, and bowling.

and note that BASEBALL was dropped from the lineup for the most recent 2 Olympic cycles.

billylo 12-06-2016 15:49

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There are a lot of plans around robotics in Tokyo 2020, including a robotics village in Odaiba.

Hitchhiker 42 12-06-2016 16:45

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When I first read the post, the idea that formed was that it would somehow be a part of the opening/closing ceremonies... not a part of the actual sporting event.

teslalab2 12-06-2016 18:05

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Water game confirmed

BotDesigner 12-06-2016 18:32

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I can't see FRC being a Olympic event (,but I don't see where in the world the thought that the athletes would think it's degrading comes from). Heck, Tokyo 2020 would be a great place to hold final matches between the South and North FRC Championships' champions.

EDesbiens 12-06-2016 18:37

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Originally Posted by BotDesigner (Post 1592515)
I can't see FRC being a Olympic event (,but I don't see where in the world the thought that the athletes would think it's degrading comes from). Heck, Tokyo 2020 would be a great place to hold final matches between the South and North FRC Championships' champions.

Somethings like a 4 out of 7 final?

Abhishek R 12-06-2016 18:37

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Do I consider FRC a sport? Yes.

Should FRC be an Olympic sport? Well, it doesn't really seem to make a whole lot of sense in that realm. I could be convinced either way.

I do think a lot of this even being talked about has to do with the fact that it's in Tokyo, obviously robotics is a huge pursuit in Japan.

Lil' Lavery 12-06-2016 19:04

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Being "at the Olympics" doesn't mean it's an actual event at the Olympics. I suspect it's far more likely that an FRC demonstration or exhibition occurs somewhere on the Olympic campus during the games.

JesseK 12-06-2016 22:17

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In the last couple of decades we've automated and roboticized so many of the non-creative and non-technical jobs. What's another few?

Moskowapplepi 12-06-2016 22:35

Re: FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
My question is what would mentors be considered in terms of player or trainer should FRC become an olympic sport

Alex2614 13-06-2016 01:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1592518)
Being "at the Olympics" doesn't mean it's an actual event at the Olympics. I suspect it's far more likely that an FRC demonstration or exhibition occurs somewhere on the Olympic campus during the games.

Way to not overthink things! Seriously, I never once in reading this thought that it would be an actual sport in the event, more of just being there in some other capacity... or holding the final matchup between the two world champions in conjunction with the olympics.

Being AT the olympics ≠ being IN the olympics

Daria Wing 16-06-2016 11:09

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Originally Posted by Moskowapplepi (Post 1592553)
My question is what would mentors be considered in terms of player or trainer should FRC become an olympic sport

Well you have to consider the possibility that they might make a "Robotics Olympics". Kind of like how they seperate the winter sports and the other sports, they would probably seperate robotics as well. However, only people who already know and love robotics would go so they might want to integrate it into the official olympics before considering other options

barn34 16-06-2016 11:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 1592460)
Rumor has it that some Robotics teams have already started planning on being at the Tokyo Olympics in 2020.:)

Ya know, I kinda figured this was the case already. Represent us well, Glenn, as always!

barn34 16-06-2016 11:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1592490)
You guys don't really think FRC could/should be an Olympic sport right?

As someone who loves the Olympics more than almost any other sporting event... if that somehow happened (in some alternate reality) I would be very unamused.

Complete agreement on this, and I don't think you'll get much counterargument. I mean, this would be setting a crazy precedent and taking human achievements and putting them on the same stage as man made mechanical ones. I think that defeats the entire principle behind the olympic games. That's just a step away (a large one, granted) from putting robots on the field with human athletes or allowing cypernetic enhancements to athletes. That's a horribly threacherous slope to be approaching, IMO. That's a Jurrasic Park level, red flag situation - don't focus on weather you could, stop to think if you should.

While I feel that FIRST teams should be recognized on the same level as sporting events and sport programs in the communities, I don't feel they should be compared outside of the recognition of the accomplishments.

frcguy 16-06-2016 13:09

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Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1593078)
Complete agreement on this, and I don't think you'll get much counterargument. I mean, this would be setting a crazy precedent and taking human achievements and putting them on the same stage as man made mechanical ones. I think that defeats the entire principle behind the olympic games. That's just a step away (a large one, granted) from putting robots on the field with human athletes or allowing cypernetic enhancements to athletes. That's a horribly threacherous slope to be approaching, IMO. That's a Jurrasic Park level, red flag situation - don't focus on weather you could, stop to think if you should.

While I feel that FIRST teams should be recognized on the same level as sporting events and sport programs in the communities, I don't feel they should be compared outside of the recognition of the accomplishments.



+1

414cnewq 16-06-2016 14:12

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Maybe it should just be a FRC "All Star Game": 6 robotics teams comprised of current and former Woodie Flowers and Dean's list awards winners.

tjf 16-06-2016 14:14

Re: FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
In my honest opinion, using FIRST and FRC at the Olympics is the exact opposite end goal of both events.

The Olympics are a set of events to show off the vast physical and strategic prowess of the athletes, some of which spend their entire lives practicing and training.

FIRST and FRC are a set of events with the goal of training people to be smart, talented, and well rounded individuals. The only way (personally) I'd like to see FRC at the Olympics would be if a team helped build equipment or a technology that enabled athletes to come back / go to the special Olympics. (Long story in short, enablement through technology)


On Growing FIRST ==>
What FIRST and FRC need is just a small fraction of the televised attention of the Olympics for the competition. Back when FRC was on ESPN that served as a way to get "the populous" or people who might never do FRC otherwise to become aware of it. The closest thing I can think of is to partner with Twitch in the coming years, to get the Champs on the homepage. One small thing they might do would be ask the F4 people to run the stream, though I don't think FIRST would ever allow students to directly represent them in a semi-televised / livestreamed event.

Looking at you @Sperkowski!

waialua359 16-06-2016 14:40

Re: FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tjf (Post 1593094)
In my honest opinion, using FIRST and FRC at the Olympics is the exact opposite end goal of both events.

The Olympics are a set of events to show off the vast physical and strategic prowess of the athletes, some of which spend their entire lives practicing and training.

FIRST and FRC are a set of events with the goal of training people to be smart, talented, and well rounded individuals. The only way (personally) I'd like to see FRC at the Olympics would be if a team helped build equipment or a technology that enabled athletes to come back / go to the special Olympics. (Long story in short, enablement through technology)


On Growing FIRST ==>
What FIRST and FRC need is just a small fraction of the televised attention of the Olympics for the competition. Back when FRC was on ESPN that served as a way to get "the populous" or people who might never do FRC otherwise to become aware of it. The closest thing I can think of is to partner with Twitch in the coming years, to get the Champs on the homepage. One small thing they might do would be ask the F4 people to run the stream, though I don't think FIRST would ever allow students to directly represent them in a semi-televised / livestreamed event.

Looking at you @Sperkowski!

I'd argue that in addition to the goals you mentioned for Olympic athletes, the goals of FIRST also applies to them as well. Not either or.

I grew up with a good friend that was a silver olympic medalist in Judo. He is the embodiment of your definition of what FIRST goals are, while training for the Olympics back then.

Akash Rastogi 16-06-2016 15:23

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Please no do not compare playing with robots to what it takes to be in the Olympics.

I'm excited to see what the partnership will yield. A demo would be sort of cool, but anything past that would be absurd.

Sperkowsky 16-06-2016 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tjf (Post 1593094)
On Growing FIRST ==>
What FIRST and FRC need is just a small fraction of the televised attention of the Olympics for the competition. Back when FRC was on ESPN that served as a way to get "the populous" or people who might never do FRC otherwise to become aware of it. The closest thing I can think of is to partner with Twitch in the coming years, to get the Champs on the homepage. One small thing they might do would be ask the F4 people to run the stream, though I don't think FIRST would ever allow students to directly represent them in a semi-televised / livestreamed event.

Looking at you @sperkowsky!

We(f4) have actually had discussions about stuff like this. We weren't thinking Champs but it's the same basic principle. If someone from Firsthq thinks this is a good idea we are ready :).

Hallry 16-06-2016 16:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tjf (Post 1593094)
One small thing they might do would be ask the F4 people to run the stream, though I don't think FIRST would ever allow students to directly represent them in a semi-televised / livestreamed event.

I'd let the FRC GameSense crew continue hosting the stream, as they did with #FIRSTChampLive. They did a beyond excellent job this year in a professional yet entertaining manner.

chrisfl 17-06-2016 10:03

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What if FIRST used the Olympics as a way of bringing both World Championships together. Like the alliances who go to play on Einstein at both events then face off at the Olympics. So the best from both Champs then face off to determine the best in the world. That is what the Olympics is about, determining the best athletes in the world. And with that there won't be any super elite Olympic teams forming. It'd still be the same FIRST has always happened and it would prevent arguments of whether the winning alliance from 1 championship is better than the winning alliance from the other.

Lil' Lavery 17-06-2016 13:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tjf (Post 1593094)
On Growing FIRST ==>
What FIRST and FRC need is just a small fraction of the televised attention of the Olympics for the competition. Back when FRC was on ESPN that served as a way to get "the populous" or people who might never do FRC otherwise to become aware of it. The closest thing I can think of is to partner with Twitch in the coming years, to get the Champs on the homepage. One small thing they might do would be ask the F4 people to run the stream, though I don't think FIRST would ever allow students to directly represent them in a semi-televised / livestreamed event.

So... you mean exactly what GameSense did this season?

marshall 17-06-2016 15:19

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Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1593102)
Please no do not compare playing with robots to what it takes to be in the Olympics.

I mean, I'm not saying but I'm saying... know what I'm saying? ::rtm::

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_co...ummer_Olympics

DaveL 17-06-2016 17:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1592518)
Being "at the Olympics" doesn't mean it's an actual event at the Olympics. I suspect it's far more likely that an FRC demonstration or exhibition occurs somewhere on the Olympic campus during the games.

+1

In addition to demonstrations, the Olympics has demonstration sports that are used to judge interest and feasibility. In sailing before a new boat is selected, the Olympic committee will insure that there are enough teams in member countries that have access and experience before adding it to the line up.

I think its great to get robotics on the world stage in some fashion. While the winner take all approach of the Olympics might not make sense for FRC, we should be thinking of other ways to get on network TV.

In the states their is a summer program called BattleBots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rIDP0v3Qc0

GaryVoshol 17-06-2016 21:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisfl (Post 1593191)
What if FIRST used the Olympics as a way of bringing both World Championships together. Like the alliances who go to play on Einstein at both events then face off at the Olympics.

So the ChampionSplit winners from 2017 have to wait until 2020? I think most of the drive team will have graduated.

Abhishek R 18-06-2016 00:04

Re: FRC to be at the 2020 Olympics?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barn34 (Post 1593078)
Complete agreement on this, and I don't think you'll get much counterargument. I mean, this would be setting a crazy precedent and taking human achievements and putting them on the same stage as man made mechanical ones. I think that defeats the entire principle behind the olympic games. That's just a step away (a large one, granted) from putting robots on the field with human athletes or allowing cypernetic enhancements to athletes. That's a horribly threacherous slope to be approaching, IMO. That's a Jurrasic Park level, red flag situation - don't focus on weather you could, stop to think if you should.

While I feel that FIRST teams should be recognized on the same level as sporting events and sport programs in the communities, I don't feel they should be compared outside of the recognition of the accomplishments.

Could not be said any better.


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