Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

No, any teams that someone is like "HEY 1114 IS AT SOUTH FLORIDA I WANT THEM" has to tell the waiver runner they are there to add to the list 36 hours in advanced, so everyone has a fair shot of seeing them. It isn't about having a whole list but it avoids scenarios where one team and who ever runs the waivers see a team but no one else gets to.

I am going to be honest here I didn't know my own team got taken off the waitlist for Rocket City till 9 hours after it happened. I have a life, and responsibilities, I can not afford to check every event every day for teams to appear, but I can make it part of my routine to check one spread sheet every day after work. I was just trying to create a system where the waiver list is where to go to check if a team is available and you have a whole day to make a pick list based on who is available to everyone.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Okay yeah, that sounds perfect, because same here. If you want QD's help in any way, feel free to ask.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I think there's a slight misunderstanding here. Really quick, currently the only way teams are on waivers (and thus on the list) is if somebody claims them. I don't announce who claimed a team unless they post publicly (and even then I don't announce it)--which makes making a claim a little bit of a gamble.

James is right on the general idea--there's a certain cutoff time for teams to be on waiver and claimed that week.

I should make one note, really fast: Having a hole in your draft gives you automatic top priority in the waiver system for that event, should you make a waiver claim (unless you took a COI). Or you can take a free agent.





A proposal on waivers. Call it "Smokescreen". This would only apply to waivers run during competition season.

-Lists LOCK on Wednesday of Week 1, for all events and all district block drafts. The only way to change 'em is waivers.
-During Week 1 events, someone (guessing me, but it doesn't have to be) pulls the updated team list for Week 2 events, pulls out all picked teams, and if there are any MIA teams in the picked list, flags those. I think that could be made practically automated (famous last words).
-After Week 1 events: The entire list is posted, for Week 2, sorted by event. Cue rush of claims
-Tuesday midnight, no further Week 2 claims are accepted.
-Wednesday, announcements of awards.
Repeat cycle of post list, announce awards through the rest of the season. The only teams on waiver for a given week are the ones competing that week. That should make life a little bit easier.

There would be one minor hitch: I would also put a ruling in that the only time DISTRICT teams can be changed would be the window before Week 3--most of them would probably have played one event, very few would have played more (and those teams aren't eligible to be traded in or out).

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

On the topic of teams playing out of district:

Correct that they do not get district points, directly. However, they do get experience that translates to district points in their home district at later events. And they do get ranking and stuff like that.

This might be controversial... but I have an idea. We also figured out that a consistent team's FF points could be hurt by playing 3 events, due to the averaging. On the other hand, it's kind of no fun to watch one of your teams playing and you get nothing from a good performance. So... What if interdistrict and 3rd-event play picks up 5 points (flat) and elims points (added to the averaging score for two events). So, if 67 attends 3 in-district events and 1 traveling event, and wins all 4, they will pick up TWO events that put all their points into the average, and they will add 10 points to their base for the two extra plays, and because they win both, they get two events of win points added into the average, which is still only divided by 2. So... (Event1+Event2+Win3+Win4)/2+10 is their score.

Kind of complicated, kind of crazy. Someone want to try to run some numbers?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

*Scratches head* Well, now that's interesting.

So I wrote up a quick macro to check picks vs. team lists for events. Wouldn't ya know it, after some testing (and "oh, THAT's why it's not picking the teams out"), it flagged two teams as MIA in South Florida: 108 and 2601. And yep, they're MIA all right...I checked on that!


If y'all are agreeable on the use of the "Smokescreen" plan, I might get some time this weekend to go through and run a quick waiver list, kind of see how it goes for a large-scale runthrough.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

That makes things interesting. Who would get first in waiver order at that event then? NE Way (108, 10th overall) or F3 (2601, 14th overall)?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Waiver order is actually different than normal order--unofficially, NE Way would win that. And they're both "first priority"--I don't recall if we've ever had to use a tiebreaker, but I believe it's normal waiver priority.

That being said, any free-agent team can be picked without needing to use waivers.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So for the sake of ease of research, every team on the list during the original draft is fair game (no need to use waivers), the only team also not registered now is 6555

The only teams you would need to use your waiver on are 5558 and 6743

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I like this. But why do we need the week 3 trades for district teams? Is there a reason we didn't like the one play rule?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Too hard to keep track of, at least from my point of view. That being said, I think I could track district claims OK (we know there won't be too many late additions), so it's a matter of checking on both teams. Cue FRCLinks or TBA, whichever is handiest.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

TBA does have some latency due to how frequently it checks the FIRST site for updates. I would recommend frclinks for these purposes, just in case.

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We're aware... we've had people get burned in the past by using TBA and having the teams not there.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

*raises hand* Come back to Utah 6082, please

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Running the numbers on this now, might take me a little bit, give me some time :)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Numbers running done, can be found here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

If you don't want to look at the data heres a tl;dr

Eric's System - gives more points(by a significant margin), than either other system, across the board, makes picking teams with more than 2 events extremely beneficial.

Current System - (its what you'd expect)

In District Only System - If teams do the same across the board at both in district and out of district, scores the same as the current system. Benefits teams that do well in district but poorly out of district. Harms teams that do poorly in district but well out of district.

Exact numbers and how they line up can be found in the link above.