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JosephC 08-12-2016 16:05

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Here's my thoughts on the systems and district picking overall.

#1 - Eric's system is way too wack, and I don't really see a good way of making it work. Even if you were to change the extra points from 5 to 0, it'd still give more points. You could try to give negative points, but it just seems like a lot of work for not alot of gain.

#2 - IMO, In District Only scoring seems the best. You're picking teams during those drafts for their performance in district, which is better supported by this system over the current one. As for "it sucks not getting points for your teams at events they go to",that doesn't make alot of sense. You don't pick 1114 for Waterloo than be sad when you don't get points for how well they did in GTRE.

#3 - To address the "they get extra experience", why does that matter? You should be factoring that into your picklist. Some teams only do 1 regional, some do 3, its the same thing.

#4 - At the end of the day, its the FIM draft. not the "Teams that are in FIM" draft. Points should be given for what happens in that event, FIM, not what happens to that team at every event. It makes no sense to pick district teams and have what happens outside of the event they were drafted for(the district) affect their points.

#5 - And finally, 27 was drafted at Northern Lights, but with the current system, those points also go to whoever drafts them in FIM? Doesn't make much sense tbh.

EricH 08-12-2016 18:46

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1620166)
#5 - And finally, 27 was drafted at Northern Lights, but with the current system, those points also go to whoever drafts them in FIM? Doesn't make much sense tbh.

Incorrect. District event drafts specifically exclude regional points.

I see what you're saying about the points being skewed. So let's forget I said it.


In-district points makes the most sense. So, here's the pointage for district draft teams: They get points at all of their events within their own district (FiM in FiM, PNW in PNW, you get the idea). Those points are averaged across all in-district events (so, 1-event district teams get their points, 2-event district teams get their points/2, 3-event district teams get their points/3). Regional points are earned at the regional, and do not apply to district events. DCMPs are separate drafts. Interdistrict plays get you... nothing.

JosephC 08-12-2016 19:15

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1620197)
Incorrect. District event drafts specifically exclude regional points.

Ye, my bad I got confused, perks of being up for 30 hours straight I guess, forgot it used to be only interdistrict points :o

niklas674 08-12-2016 21:13

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
When can we expect the picking order for the next set of events?

TDav540 08-12-2016 22:46

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by niklas674 (Post 1620264)
When can we expect the picking order for the next set of events?

Whenever Brennan or Eric post it, probably tonight or tomorrow morning. Should be up by then.

EricH 09-12-2016 01:16

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TDav540 (Post 1620277)
Whenever Brennan or Eric post it, probably tonight or tomorrow morning. Should be up by then.

Brennan's draft.

BrennanB 09-12-2016 09:24

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1620295)
Brennan's draft.

Something came up and i'm not actually available to run the draft on Saturday. :/ VRC team has an event that day i'm supervising.

JosephC 09-12-2016 11:49

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
If no one else is available I'll run it.

MARS_James 09-12-2016 12:28

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1620347)
If no one else is available I'll run it.

I got it

EDIT (Iowa Order):

Questionable Decisionmakers
FIRST Pick
The Regal Falcons
F3
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Swamp Life
Untitled Team
Falcon

EDIT 2:
I am gonna put up the Iowa draft when I get home (Pick time is still as scheduled), since I won't be home tonight and want it up as early as possible.

JosephC 09-12-2016 20:20

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Could we add functionality to the Draft Runner to allow picks that aren't in the available teams list? Had some issues with that today. Or atleast make it so the Draft Runner doesn't completely crash while doing so.

EricH 09-12-2016 20:34

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1620470)
Could we add functionality to the Draft Runner to allow picks that aren't in the available teams list? Had some issues with that today. Or atleast make it so the Draft Runner doesn't completely crash while doing so.

Were you using "Remove Pick" to pull teams out of the draft?


Basic algorithm: For any pick, the FIRST check is the full team list (see if the team is attending). THEN it checks the picked teams (not the available teams) to see if somebody already has that team. Once it's happy that the team is 1) attending and 2) not already picked, it'll try to pull the team out of the available list. I suspect that that's where the problem was: in removing the team from the list. I don't think I have good error-handling there, and there's a known bug in there somewhere that I haven't been able to squash (causes teams to not be removed properly).

Basically, I think what probably happened was the team it was looking to remove just wasn't there, possibly due to not being put back in during the big shuffle. "Remove Pick" will do that putting in.


I'll see what I can come up with over the weekend. Weekend programming tasks:
--Error handling on removing teams from available list
--Bug fixes in team removal from list (and/or from draft)
--"Rookie" functionality in picklists

JosephC 09-12-2016 20:38

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Is "Remove Pick" fixed in the new Draft Runner? Last time I tried to use it, it also crashed the sheet.

EricH 09-12-2016 20:39

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1620472)
Is "Remove Pick" fixed in the new Draft Runner? Last time I tried to use it, it also crashed the sheet.

It's been working for me, not sure what's up then.

Time to start digging into the code.

JosephC 09-12-2016 20:42

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Does it matter that I'm using excel 2010?

EricH 09-12-2016 20:46

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1620475)
Does it matter that I'm using excel 2010?

Might actually work better... Or maybe not. I'm running Excel 2016, but some of the bugs have been there since I was using 2010.


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