Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Seen and approved, at 3:30 CD time (also 3:30 PST).

Regarding the redraft request: I will need a little time, and will rule after today's drafts.

Regarding any bugs in the drafting program: Found and squashed one last night, running a beta test mid-draft...

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

How Eric wants to call this one will depend on whether Swamp Life will accept a trade of 744 for 3844.




Team trades, for anybody wondering, are a straight "do both parties agree?", though the commissioner retains veto power in the event of rules violations (extra teams or real-world items as the result).

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I am ok with that, thanks Eric

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

CD time is actually EST, which means it was seen and approved at 6:30 CD time. Technically this makes it an illegal trade as it breaks the "approved one hour before the draft rule" but we've also broken that rule once already(When I didn't log on to approve a trade until 30m before the draft). IMO doesn't really matter as long as the person approving the trade is running it, and its not really a big deal, just thought I'd post for consistency and clarity.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Today is also the day to post the next cycles of draft order. Joseph, since you have Orange County, we'd really appreciate that going up as soon as possible.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I approved about as soon as I saw it, which was about as soon as I got home from work and woke up the computer. Close enough, right? ;)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Fun Fact:
Chief Delphi Time is based on a user choice option. So For you it may be EST but someone on the West coast it might be PST.

(You can change this by going to User CP then Edit Options. It is under Date and Time which is towards the bottom of the page.)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Somebody else do it, randomizers hate TBC. :(

Untitled Team
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life
The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So with Falcon receiving a COI for Orange County, and him picking 5th at Long Island, do we want to swap Orange County and Long Island in the schedule?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I noticed misdrafts at Dallas and Colorado. In both cases, two FF teams had drafted the same team. Details are on the relevant threads.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Something like that--at least their draft orders.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Hats off to James for taking worse teams so we don't have to do redrafts!

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So I will be last pick at Orange County, and this:

Is the order for Long island

However this:

is the order for Silicon Valley

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I may be able to pick up Idaho, but as a heads-up it'd be running fast in that case. (4/2/1 time on the rounds, most likely, instead of 5/3/1).

I have an updated draft assistant that's almost ready for release... but I'm still testing the beta, and there seems to be another bug cropping up, this time in finding duplicate teams. I can't see it in the code for some reason, so what will probably happen is a release to fix one bug/add functionality and then see if that fixes the other issue as well.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Could use an official ruling for what order I'm using for Orange County.

Edit - I can run Idaho

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So its...

The Regal Falcons
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
Falcon
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
Swamp Life

For Orange County?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Yes

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

What am I supposed to do for Falcon's COI picks? Do I put COI in the team slot or give them a random?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

COI. Randoms will be given after the event has concluded, with the goal being that he won't know what teams he has.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I really hope I don't break the sheet again by not assigning Falcon a pick :o

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

You won't.

It's set up so that it treats each slot--and how it's filled--individually, but checks to make sure that nothing is taken. And the check is "=". If it doesn't match, it keeps going.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

And now it's my turn to find a bug... Managed to put better error-handling in, but now I need to figure out what happened this time...

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

F3 and TRF have agreeed to a trade...


TRF receives the 3rd at Hawaii, the 2nd at Idaho, as well as the 9th pick at laguna and the 5th at Long Island

F3 receives the 5th at Hawaii, the 4th at Idaho as well as the 2nd pick at laguna and 7th at Long Island

We'd love to get this approved.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Trade is approved.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Found it, in a piece of logic that I put in to deal with a different bug. Should be fixed.

https://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/3042 for the new version (3.2.4). I'm not going to guarantee it'll be bug-free, but after the flyswatter I've been hitting it with this week, there should be a couple less in there.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So since I am running the next draft set I figured I would post the draft order:

FIRST Pick
Swamp Life
The Breakfast Company
Untitled Team
Questionable Decisionmakers
F3
NE Way You Want It
The Regal Falcons
Falcon

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

For clarification, this is for Lone Star Central through Seven Rivers.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

yes

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

How do I generate a draft? pushing the button doesn't work.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

TRF and Falcon have agreed to a trade.

TRF receives the 2nd pick at Long Island and the 7th pick at Midwest.

Falcon receives the 5th pick at Long Island and the 3rd pick at Midwest.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

You put the teams in, right? That got me briefly when I checked, so I loaded up the Idaho team list and it ran fine.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Teams and players in, attempting to push the button does nothing at all except let me edit the spelling.

Edit - in the meantime I guess I'll swapped back to the older version so the drafts can go up tonight.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

That sounds like a problem with Excel... Are you sure you're not in Design Mode (Developer-> Design Mode)?

Edit: Try redownloading when you get a chance. There might have been an issue with the upload yesterday, so I just pulled it down and reuploaded.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Yeah its a problem with excel, reopening both drafts seems to have fixed it

For whatever reason, there weren't any buttons, just a yellow square that said "generate draft"

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Oh. THAT.

That's something I've never been able to figure out, and it's been happening almost since I wrote the program. It's something in the way the buttons interact with Excel, so I fix it by a reopening of the draft (saving first!)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So has a list of the teams on waivers been developed, or is that still in production/needs to be started?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Needs to be started. I should be able to go through it in a couple of hours--have some automation on my side.

I've gotten some claims already, as some of you may be aware. HOWEVER, I have yet to put a waiver list together, and it will include ALL teams, not just the claimed ones. Once that list is out, I'll factor in the current claims and announce an end date.

Just a note for everybody, though: If you're submitting multiple claims, make sure you've got some indicator of priority (order of appearance works well).

Edit: A couple of things that I didn't mention earlier, but should have:
--Teams are on waiver if they were not in the initial draft list, but are now registered for the event.
--Teams that pass through this round of waivers will become free agents. This will not be the case once events start.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Sometime tomorrow presumably.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Just so everybody's aware, I'm chewing through waivers right about now--and, while I'm at it, locating missing teams. And there's a pattern with those missing teams... F3 has something like 2/3 of 'em right now.

If you're wondering where I'm at, the draft results tab of the google sheet is steadily showing more red boxes, indicating missing teams. I should be able to make it through Montreal pretty quickly... then it'll take longer. (Unless someone wants to start updating the picks starting from whatever is right after Montreal, otherwise I get to do that at the same time.) I'll post a full list of waivers and missing teams once I hit the end of that draft results list.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I would but I have no idea how that list works honestly

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Do you need just the teams posted or also someone to check if they are missing?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Just the posting. I've set up an Excel sheet to flag both missing and waiver teams.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I should probably remind everybody of one of the quirks to waiver priority: If you are missing a team, you get top priority for that event only (as in, if you make a claim at that event, you will get that team--penalty of dropping to the bottom of the priority list, though). If more than one player has MIA teams, tiebreaker is waiver priority.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Well, crap. I guess I'll figure out which teams we want to swap out for. Is there a deadline for missing team waivers, as all three of us on F3 have finals this week and therefore quite busy stressed?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

You'll have a couple of days at the very least. I like to give everybody a chance to look over the waivers before dumping a final list on me. A deadline will be announced--all waiver claims need to be in by that deadline. (As it happens, I've got a lot going on this week myself.)

Reminder that teams on the initial draft list are free agents and don't need waivers.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The results page is done up to the drafts completed, and it honestly isn't that complicated if the draft runners want to update it themselves.

You can find all the event codes here, the calculations in the first column you can just drag down, everything else is fill in the blank

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Having burned through the entire draft set... Lots of missing teams, lots of waivers.
So, now that that's up... I'm going to set the deadline to get the lists in at midnight PACIFIC on 12/22, with processed on 12/23.

And you know what's funny? I seem to have stashed a waiver priority list away somewhere...
Waiver Priority:
QD
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
FIRST Pick
Falcon
Swamp Life
TBC

I have a couple of claims in my PM box, too.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Am I really the second highest finishing player returning from last season?

I am not upset more surprised

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I believe so. I'm unable to find the final scores, but I seem to recall finishing near the bottom, and TBC finished near-ish the top.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

FIRST Pick was a team last year, and I seem to remember them not being at the bottom, could be wrong though.

Edit - So seems like the automated scoring document from last year with the World's ranking is deleted, we could use the rankings from the regular season in their stead?

It'd be -
TBC
FP
Falcon
SL

From highest ranking to lowest.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So basically me and first pick switch, that makes more sence, i had a horrible season last year lol

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Updated Waiver Priority:
QD
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
Swamp Life
Falcon
FIRST Pick
TBC

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

3402 is not attending lake superior

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Mistyped 3042 somewhere. Updating.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Joe is running Long Island tonight as I don't have excel on my supplement computer :ahh:

He's dah man. :cool:

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I have the lists that have been sent to Brennan(Falcon, FIRST Pick, Swamp Life)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Okay so, Yall traders messed up.

"TRF 3 at Hawaii, 2 at Idaho, 9th at laguna, 5 at Long Island
F3 5 at Hawaii, 4 at Idaho, 2 at Laguna, 7 at Long Island"

TRF does not have 7th at Long Island, they're 1st.
F3 does not have 5th at Long Island, they're 8th.

"TRF 2nd at Long Island, 7th at Midwest
Falcon 5th at Long Island, 3rd at Midwest "

TRF does not have 5th at Long Island, as they could not complete the first trade.
Falcon does not have 2nd at Long Island, they're 5th.


Did I super mess up somewhere along the way, or is it on yall?

Edit - I checked, its on yall.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Here's my thoughts - I'm going to run the draft without the trades. Traders fault for not properly checking their trades. I see no way of making those trades work as everyone's slots are wrong.

Unless someone complains in the next 30m, I'm running it tradeless

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

We had the 1st at Orange County when we should've had the 7th and had the 7th at Long Island when we should've had the first. I believe the change came because of the COI at Orange County.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

You're right! thx for savin the day fam. I had forgotten since I wasn't supposed to run LI.

Edit - Can we have a COI list added somewhere in the Doc for ease of memory?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I posted the order 3 days ago:

Is there something wrong with it?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Nope! I missed it and Brennan told me it wasn't posted. (Blame Brennan for that one)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Err my bad!

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I was making the thread and got so confused

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Figured I'd bring this up now so something can be decided on how to handle it.

Chesapeake is our final draft of the year, however, it's also the 10th draft after a randomized list, meaning the event itself should be randomized. However, since it's the last event, there won't be any rotation to speak of afterward.

Basically means certain teams will be getting an advantage over others due a single randomized draft.

Personally, I think one event isn't a huge deal. However, being a District draft, there will be ramifications for its DCMP.

Open to suggestions, I figure no matter what happens someones going to get the short of the stick.

Edit - this also happens to Touluca.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Brought this up earlier in the thread:

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I object, means teams that are actively making waiver trades get shafted by being low picks. I would rather just Randomize Touluca and Israel, that way all Districts are part of a rotation, minimizing randomization effects on DCMPs.

Edit - Apparently Israel is a district too, I'd still prefer randomization over using waiver priority though.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Kind of agree with you here just an extra random for Touluca, then another for chesapeake should be fine.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Of course, to partially even out those two randomizations (even though it won't make drafting *completely* fair), we could simply make Chesapeake the reverse order of Toluca.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Seconded, seems like a good way to go IMO. Reduces crazy swings in picks(Like 1 team getting FP at both, or last pick at both). Sure, CHS top picks might be slightly more important, but no matter what someone is going to get a shorter end of the stick than someone else, and this seems best overall.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Thirded

Also I really hope two teams don't drop out of lonestar central cause then we would need to redraft and split it

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm down with the two-draft cycle. So... Laguna is random, Chesapeake is reverse of Laguna. I've flagged those two bright green in the sheet.


I believe there's some contingency for being short a team during scoring, but it's been so long since we've come close to using it that I can't remember what it is. If someone notices a dropout before the event, we could probably arrange a redraft.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I like this idea, though I'm not a huge fan of the idea of pairing Laguna (32 teams) and CHS (132 teams last year). I think it would make more sense to use the flipped Laguna ordering for one of the smaller districts, such as IN (49 teams last year) or NC (52 teams last year), and keep CHS as part of the district rotation.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Also works for me.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I looked up the current numbers for the districts. Indiana (62 teams) draws the short straw as the smallest district, and will be the reverse of the Toluca draft order. Cheseapeake will take the last slot of the district rotation.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Trf has the 8th pick at both drafts

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So? Lone Star North was randomized.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Why do we have the 8th at both. We should have the 7th at one of them.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

It is a new draft cycle?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

We had the 9th last night as part of what I thought to be a new draft cycle.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

No check the sheet:
Link

Lone star north is the new cycle

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Alright. Again I'm easily confused.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

You had 9th at Buckeye, meaning you get 8th at Brazos Valley. Lone Star North is the start of a new cycle, so you just happened to get randomized 8th.

You SHOULD of been 1st at Long Island(This is probably why you're confused). However, due to Falcon's COI, the draft order for Long Island and Orange County were swapped. So instead of being 7th at Orange County and 1st at Long Island, you were 1st at Orange County, and 7th at Long Island.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Order for Toluca
Which means this is Indiana

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I gotta say that is a Kil-A position to pick from ;)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Did we ever decide if Districts are trade locked? I'm in the boat that thinks you shouldn't be able to trade in Districts/DCMPS/CMP, but I mostly care about DCMP/CMP being trade locked.

If this got decided earlier, my bad, can't remember.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

My only question would be is if DCMP scoring is the same as any regional scoring, or if a multiplier is applied to it. If a multiplier is applied, district trades shouldn't be allowed. If it's not, then single draft district trades should be allowed.

DCMP/Champs trades should not be allowed.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The problem is some districts the second round of teams are reversed. Trading slots could be problematic. I'd rather just avoid it all together, it's simple, and less abusable. District ranking comes out clean and fair.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

That's what we were thinking: No slot trades for districts, particularly the two-day districts.

Also, DCMPs are drafted separately, during competition.


Seeing as that's been brought up...we'll take a look at the future (post-Kickoff) schedule.

DCMPs will be drafted during the "preceding week", whichever that happens to be. So, with Israel being something like Week 4, the Israel DCMP draft will open shortly after Week 3 events. MI DCMP, on the other hand, as a Week 7, will open shortly after Week 6 events. DCMPs will be standard 3-round events, draft order determined by your score in that particular district, no slot trading. CMP Division drafts will follow shortly after DCMPs conclude and teams start registering--CMP South first, CMP North second--again with no slot trades allowed.

Waivers... I'll probably do another sniff-through sometime during build, but once Week 1 events begin, all lists are locked and can only be changed by waiver.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

What was the final decision on district scoring? All events? First two only? Inter-district?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Inter-districts only.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I believe you mean intra-district only.

Difference by example:
Intermural: Your college football team plays their archrival.
Intramural: Your dorm takes on another dorm from your college at flag football.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Time's up! Processing will commence later, er, today.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

And your waiver awards are, in the original priority order...

QD picks up 4253 in Southern Cross and 2403 in Colorado.
Swamp Life uses MTP on 4613 in South Pacific, and picks up 2383 in Orlando.
Falcon uses MTP on 4613 in Southern Cross, and picks up 1710 in Kansas City.
FIRST Pick adds 1592 in Orlando and 171 in Central Illinois.
TBC picks up 3284 in St. Louis and 3042 in Lake Superior.

All unclaimed teams, as well as all dropped teams from this run (so far, 3653 in Orlando and 1802 in GKC), are now free agents.

Waiver priority is now:
NE WYWI
TRF
F3
Untitled
Swamp Life
Falcon
QD
FIRST Pick
TBC

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Eric, can you please explain MTP to the rest of us? Because looking at these results, it appears we didn't get the team we wanted, especially considering we had the first overall priority.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

MTP is Missing Team Priority. If a player has a hole in their draft, filling the hole takes priority over even first overall priority, if there's a conflicting claim, but it can only be used if there is a hole (a drafted team has decided not to attend that event). Two other players could have used it on those same teams, but did not for whatever reason. (And there are still players missing teams.)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

FIRST Pick will drop 5800 in favor of 1592 at Orlando, and drop 4156 in favor of 171 at Central Illinois.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

TBC will be dropping

4845 for 3042 in Lake superior
6391 for 3284 St. Louis.

As per waivers.

Free Agent swap

6660 out, 4931 in (St. Louis)

EDIT

Also it seems like Joe is going to be late on starting up the drafts, but will be here.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I've been stuck in traffic for 3 hours, will prob have to reschedule 10k lakes to a later date(maybe same day as CHS? theres a slot.

Unless you want me to run the draft in 2 hours that is.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Just got done with North Star, can run 10K starting in 20 minutes if lists can be forwarded.

EDIT: 10K Lakes is UP, and open for picks/lists effective now. I plan to be a little generous with the times due to the last-minute switch.

EDIT 2: I got to thinking... I know some folks are not online/can't make the 10K draft. And I know there are lists that I don't have. So...

Consider the times on this one as effective on MONDAY, or whenever I happen to get the next list in line. Basically, it'll be "running" through the weekend, and updated whenever the next slot is picked, until Monday, at which point it'll be wrapped up as necessary.

Through Monday, feel free to send in lists, picks, etc., but we'll be taking this one nice and easy. Joseph, if you can send the lists you have over, that'd be great--just not while driving!