[FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

With the passing of another IRI into the record websites, it’s time for another season of Fantasy FIRST! If more season long leagues crop up, we will use "Traditional"; otherwise, this is the only SLFF around. Sign on up... but make sure you've got the time!

We'll make this "quick hit" of the rules very fast: Miss 6 drafts (nominally 3 days, but we'll see how the schedule works out) in a row, you get one warning. Ignore the warning, you're out of the league and your teams are up for grabs! Speaking of teams, you get up to 5 players per team playing this game. Trades between playing teams are allowed if everybody agrees to the terms.

Drafting schedule is still to be worked out. Expect that the district event areas (now including Toronto!) will draft at the end of the season, near Kickkoff.

There will be a couple of changes to the rules, which I will go into in detail in a later post (I'm a little pressed for time). The first is that draft order will be randomized, then rotated, then randomized again... And the second is that once competition begins, all lineup changes will go to the waiver wire.

Speaking of the waiver wire, we're working on some adjustments to that, too, which will be announced as soon as possible.

1) Falcon (EricH)
2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name :p
3)

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1) Falcon (EricH)
2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name
3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

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1) Falcon (EricH)
2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name
3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))
4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike) One slot open, send a PM with exp if interested.

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1) Falcon (EricH)
2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name
3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))
4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)
5) Impostor (Niklas674)

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)
6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

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Back-to-back............to-back?

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8)FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817) - If anyone wants to join PM me

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817)

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill)--via PM, which may or may not validate their team name

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817)

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817)

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817)

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant)
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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817)

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant)

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As someone who's weary of rejoining (last time I played was 2013?), is there an updated rules list? Trying to gauge time commitment.

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There is, but it's not current to this year, YET. https://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2574 I'll publish an update once we figure out the waiver rules a little more.

The main thing is that district events are now drafted in blocks--so you pick an alliance for MI, one for MAR, one for Toronto, etc. Bigger districts will often use bigger alliances (MI tends to run to 6 teams per alliance), with drafts spread over two nights. I forget what all else we've adjusted since then.


Speaking of rules updates and changes and the like, I do believe I need to put those into more formal explanations. So, here goes.

1) Waivers, aside from any still-to-be determined changes in submission methodology, will have one change: Any team picked up after events begin will be a waiver claim. (The exception to this: any team assigned randomly by the scoring crew after an event to fill a hole.)
Reason: Had a bunch of folks simply wait out the waiver timing last year and then pick a bunch of teams.

2) Draft Order: The first draft will be randomized. After the first draft, each succeeding draft will rotate the order one slot (1 becomes 2, 2 becomes 3, n becomes 1--or reverse order of that, haven't determined which) until everybody has drafted in the #1 overall slot once. After that, draft order will be randomized again and rotation will recommence.
--Special Case: Tiered drafts. We didn't see any last year, but there may be some this year. If there's a tiered draft, rotation will happen before tier split.
--Special Case: District Block Drafts. The first district block draft will be randomized, and the remainder will be rotated.
--Special Case: Not a full rotation remaining. For either the regionals or the districts, if there aren't enough events left (e) to do a full rotation of n players, the decision process is as follows: If e<(n/2), all drafts will be randomized. If e>=(n/2), rotation will be used.
Reason: Random can slide some folks down a little bit in the average draft order, so we're trying to level the playing field even more.

It should be noted that DCMPs will use finishing order in the districts they cover.

3) 2Champs is going to do some messing with the CMP drafts, I think. Let's take any discussion on that to https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/s...d.php?t=146725, though. (Same for any other waiver improvements to discuss, please.)

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Hitchhiker 42 added to Owning-Rex.

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Never played before, but I have some extra free time, so I'll give it a shot--

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant)

12) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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Adding Justin2648 to NE WYWI.

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant)

12) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (g_sawchuck, tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith)

12) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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After evaluating my schedule and available time in the upcoming year, I've realized that I won't be able to effectively commit to Fantasy FIRST. I have adjusted FIRST Pick accordingly.

Good luck, everyone!

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) Impostor (Niklas674)

6) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

7) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

8) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

9) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

10) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

11)The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith)

12) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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I am disbanding Imposters and joining the Regal Falcons

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Wired_Mike)

5) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

6) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

7)FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

8) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

9) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

10) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674)

11) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) OrangeBot.exe (Rangel(kf7fdb))

4) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646)

5) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

6) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

7)FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

8) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

9) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

10) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674)

11) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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Disbanding OrangeBot.exe. No time to finish the program or even draft the normal way. :(

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646)

4) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

5) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

6) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer)

7) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

8) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

9) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674)

10) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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Updating team list for FIRST Pick (New member!)

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646)

4) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

5) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

6) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

7) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

8) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

9) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674)

10) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646)

4) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

5) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

6) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

7) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

8) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

9) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

10) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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And with that TBC's roster is full with the return of our resident PNW expert! :ahh:

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)

4) tehbreadpofs (frcguy, Gravity)

5) Rotten Fruit Alliance (ghostmachine360, ttldomination, Navid Shafa, Dave McLaughlin, Anupam Goli)

6) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

7) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42) - If you want to join send me a PM

8) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

9) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

10) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

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frcguy moves to Owning-Rex; Team 4 is disbanded.

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)


4) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

5) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42, frcguy, Gravity) - If you want to join send me a PM

6) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

7) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

8) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)


After drinking a lot of Budweiser on the couch tonight, RFA has decided to disband and retire from Fantasy FIRST.

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Cheers Boys ;)

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In the immortal words of Token: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVYA-WS56J8

*claps hands**raises hands*

Until next time, gentlemen (and ladies, if there are any in this year's league). #backtoback #ridingoffintothesunset #allhailthespreadsheet #tsimfd

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Thanks for the lulz, we had a good run boys.

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Any idea when we'll see the drafting schedule and/or rule changes and waiver updates?

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Working on the schedule now. Pretty much it's Thanksgiving to Kickoff, with a couple days off around Christmas, another couple around New Year's, and some off days built in (better known as "make-up" days if we miss a draft somewhere).

Rules changes that have been announced are: https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/s...7&postcount=15 Once events start, every pickup is a waiver pickup, AND the draft order will be shaken up a bit (see linked post).

Rules changes under discussion are at https://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/s...d.php?t=146725. The gist of the discussion so far is that we're undecided on waiver submission method, and we'll be excluding culture-change awards from district averaging, we think.

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)


4) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

5) Owning-Rex (Poseidon5817, Hitchhiker 42, frcguy, Gravity) - If you want to join send me a PM

6) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

7) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

8) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

9) Swamp Life (MARS_James)

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We have a schedule!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Just for awareness... We're going to need draft runners. All drafts start 7 PM Eastern, unless otherwise announced. Due to the fact that signups are still open, I can't say for sure which drafts will be the randomization drafts (as opposed to the order-rotation drafts) yet, but when I can I'll mark those in blue. Example, see South Florida and Israel--as the first draft overall, and the first district draft, they're randomized.

I've also put a space to track attendance: due to the "miss six" rule, if whoever is running the draft would be so kind as to make a note if someone attends 0, 1, or 2 events, that'd be really great.


I plan to have any updated documents out before drafting begins, but it may take a bit of time.

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1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)


4) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

5) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

6) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

7) Enemy's Gate is Down (Ben Martin)

8) Swamp Life (MARS_James)

Dissolved Owning-Rex

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So Palmetto is the same night as South Florida. So lets say we "randomly" get the draft order as how we currently signed up. So Falcon would be first pick South Florida and last pick Palmetto correct?

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Direction of rotation hasn't been determined, but that sounds like as good a direction as any, so we'll go ahead and determine it. "The first shall be last"--that is, if you just had the first pick, you'll be the last pick in the next draft.

Speaking of which, the drafts in the left column will be considered to be before the drafts in the right column if they fall on the same day. Redrafts will use the original draft order even if they happen on a different day.


One other note on the rotations: In the event of an event having tiers, the rotation will happen before the tiers are split.

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Dropping, because going back to school is far more time consuming than I thought it would be


1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)


4) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

5) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

6) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

7) Swamp Life (MARS_James)

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Never played before, but another mentor and I maybe interested. What kind of time commitment are we looking at? Hrs per week. Can you give me a example week on how it works during season? Thanks

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+1. I haven't played before, but I'm interested. This information would be helpful.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Not playing this season but you basically need to be able to figure out some way to make a pick list of teams based on whatever categories you see fit for every event/district area. If only doing this, time commitment can be kept to a minimum. If data gathering can be automated, even less time can be used to do well. If you don't have a system for doing this, it's probably going to be overwhelming and either quality of your picks will decrease or time commitment has to be increased. More time can be spent after generating a list for more informed decisions that your system might have missed.

For example of a system, what we did to start our first year was was take the team list for each event and then in a spreadsheet, assign each team their previous year's opr, awards won in past two years, chairmen's wins, and engineering inspiration wins. From there we gave each category a weight and outputted the sum of all the weights to give each team their fantasy first score based on our metrics. At first we did everything manually but soon realized it was going to be too much work and figured out a way to generate oprs for a list of teams using other opr spreadsheets on chief delphi so it was only awards we had to do manually. Eventually we did the same for generating awards data per a list of teams and everything was pretty smooth after that. After everything was calculated, the person on our FF team with the most familiarity of a region would modify our list for things the system couldn't account for(such as if a team is going to win chairmens at a previous event)

This is a basic system that got did a decent job and I think we did fairly well for our first year. Overall, I think the more time you spend upfront, the less time required throughout the season. One thing our system could very much improve upon was being able to analyze how the system was doing week per week and using new data acquired throughout the season to do a better job trading.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Time commitment is as much as you want to put in, and you can split the time up between your team members.


A typical drafting week is two drafts per night, at the same time (evenings). Drafts will generally last two hours, but you need not be there the whole time.

As noted, you can send in a list of your picks ahead of time, and whoever is running the draft will use that to pick your teams for you. The setup time for a draft can take a while, but it'll be worth it.

Personally, I take almost no time on setup, but I do run a lot of drafts.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I might be missing something.....but on the drafting schedule, there isn't a Chesapeake draft.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Fixed, will be the last draft of the season (other than the DCMP drafts). I've also fixed the name of Mexico City to Toluca.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Awesome.

When will South Florida open to the first pick (and we'll know the start of the rotation order)?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Registration closes on Thanksgiving; South Florida should open fairly early (Pacific time, where I'm at) the next day.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)


4) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

5) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

6) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

7) Swamp Life (MARS_James)

8) F3 (bkeeneykid,adisai1)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Draft Schedule looks almost full, but we still have open spots in places. Looks like we'll need someone to help run Northern Lights this Saturday (11/26). After that, Southern Cross is the next open draft runner slot (12/3), then South Pacific (12/8), and then Iowa (12/10).

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm going to do a slight adjustment on signup/draft posting times.

Signup deadline will be NOON PST on Thanksgiving (3 PM EST), with the first draft being posted sometime before midnight that day to allow time for other drafts to fill rotations. I expect to be able to mark the next planned randomization that day as well. (If you're a little late... well, we might be able to sneak ya in. But once that first draft is posted, time's up!)


I may be able to fill some Saturday draft running slots, but there's a decent chance those run earlier than standard due to other commitments.

Also, for anybody paying attention, there will be another FF draft at some point, covering MI. To avoid crosstalk, we should be using [SLFF], particularly when running district drafts. (I suspect they'll be using [FFIM].)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)


4) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germita)

5) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

6) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

7) Swamp Life (MARS_James)

8) F3 (bkeeneykid,adisai1)

9) Untitled Team (ctt956)

(yes, "Untitled Team" is actually the name of my team. :cool:)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

South Florida is now open for picking. I have a list from F3.

Draft order for South Florida (will need to be rotated for following drafts):
The Regal Falcons
FIRST Pick
Swamp Life
F3
Falcon
Untitled Team
Questionable Decisionmakers
NE Way You Want It
The Breakfast Company

Next randomization will be St. Louis unless something changes.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

As an FYI i can't run Orlando like i planned to because ironically I was surprised with a trip to said city by my family, sorry for the inconvenience. Palmetto will proceed as normal

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Quoted for awareness. Sheet is here. Sign up if you can!

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Slight issue, I had something come up and will be unable to run Rock City as I planned to. Looks like we'll need a runner there too.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

As a heads-up (and for some future reference--Brennan, I think one of these is one you'll need to pay attention to), a couple of teams have traded draft slots.

F3 Receives
QD 1st Round, Lake Superior - #5
QD 2nd Round, Orlando - #10
QD 2nd Round, Northern Lights - #15

QD Received
F3 1st Round, Lake Superior - #2
F3 2nd Round, Orlando - #13
F3 3rd Round, Northern Lights - #19


Just a couple of notes:
If you agree to a trade of draft spots, it's a really good idea to notify the draft runners (found here) and myself immediately, not an hour before the draft. PM, posting in the draft threads, or posting in this thread will all work--just bear in mind that I might not be present at any given draft.

And if individual picks are traded, you might not see a slot move--the standard format isn't conducive to moving teams around in draft slots--but the times will probably change in the traded positions.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Sorry. We finished the trade last night and who was contacting who got confused.

Our bad.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'll take the blame for this one. I had a list of FF related tasks I needed to do today that got sidetracked when my 3D printer had some issues and caused me to have a few hours of maintenance. Just now submitting my two pick lists.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I am doing this for sure next year. Looks like a good time.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The Regal Falcons and Untitled Team have agreed to a trade.

The Regal Falcons receive the 1st pick at Arizona North and the 7th pick at San Diego

Untitled team recieves the 5th pick at AZN and the 2nd pick at San Diego.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm currently doing alot of work before 6:30, preparing the draft in between.

Arizona North WILL be in up time, have no fear..

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

By the way, can we get this thread stickied instead of the 2016 one?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Falcon will take random teams for both Rock City and Orlando tomorrow.

For anybody wondering what those numbers are under the team names on the schedule sheet, those are how many drafts the team has made a pick in that night (including requests for full random, like above). So far, nobody's missed a draft.


As a side note, I was working on testing an update to the draft-running sheet during the Hub City draft. Survey says... not ready for release. (One bug fix, one functionality upgrade that so far isn't working right.)

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1) Falcon (EricH)

2) Questionable Decisionmakers (TDav540, Pratik Kunapuli, Kellen Hill, BMSOTM)

3) The Breakfast Company (BrennanB, JosephC, jlmcmchl, Golfer4646, Wired_Mike)


4) FIRST Pick (tindleroot, thatprogrammer, Jeremy Germitan Devlin Moody)

5) NE Way You Want It (Drew4564, Aidan Cox, Jay O'Donnell, EmileH, Justin2648)

6) The Regal Falcons (sperkowsky, roboshant, harrison.smith, Niklas674, fishing_cat)

7) Swamp Life (MARS_James)

8) F3 (bkeeneykid,adisai1)

9) Untitled Team (ctt956)

Adding a new member!

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

St. Louis Draft is now open. The draft order for it is below:

F3
Untitled Team
The Breakfast Company
Swamp Life
NE Way You Want It
FIRST Pick
Questionable Decisionmakers
Falcon
The Regal Falcons

The next eight drafts after St. Louis will reference this order.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

F3 and the Regal Falcons have agreed to a trade

The Regal Falcons receive the 5th pick at San Diego
F3 receives the 7th pick for San Diego

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

But like.....why?

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Well, that's a questionable decision, even by my standards.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

They did it in exchange for a hug.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

SEVERAL hugs. To be exchanged at North champs. And maybe a favor later, idk.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

As you can see we are still working on the full terms of the trade.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

This just seems like two teams collaborating and shoving all the good picks/pick slots into one team to win. Trading obviously inferior pick position for a... hug? Cmon man.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

That's just what we were thinking.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I wish we were.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

They are pretty good hugs.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Alright guys, we changed the way we do pick order so that it would be balanced evently(we had more than a full pick position below the mean last year). Why would we just randomly start switching pick orders around?(This is the first year in the 4 years I've been doing this that this has happened)

It was just a whatever and a slight hassle for me as a draft runner for the first couple, but now things are getting out of hand.

#1 - Swapping #5 straight for #7? Come on, that solely benefits one team and hurts the other. It's basically pooling picks into one team.

#2- And this is what really gets me. As per THIS post, TRF would pick that nights picks for F3, in exchange for a swap of 27 and 2883. So the 7th picking team ends up with a first pick, in exchange for doing someone else's draft? How is that fair for the rest of the teams playing? Here's the kicker, the deal was supposed to mean that "niklas674" would make the picks for F3 at Arizona North. This didn't even happen. F3 proceeded to make their own picks during the duration of the entire draft.


So what does this mean? It means The Regal Falcons have effectively had THREE first picks, while the rest of the teams have only received ONE. It means, malicious or not, one team has effectively gained a draft position advantage over every other team in the league, this is the sole reason we changed how draft orders are done.

My proposal is a simple one. Ban draft position trades, ban allowing non-team members to make picks for you, revoke the 27 and 2883 trade, and just use the completely 100% fair system the way its supposed to be used.

As for the #5 for #7 trade, even if Eric decides he doesn't wanna do the above, I'll quit if it goes through.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The whole trade was really messed up. I was the only member of F3 online and a member of The Regal Falcons proposed the trade. Before they finished the proposal I agreed. They didn't think this was out of the ordinary as they assumed it was a gift for us helping them out in a tough situation yesterday.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

What you didn't see is that we were talking to Regal Falcons all throughout that post. Our automated draft system was immobilized due to some heavy debugging earlier that day causing us to exceed our Google API calls for that day. That meant we had no draft list. The Regal Falcons basically saved us from having to go full random. They supplied us a rudimentary pick list, mainly from niklas674. In the end, he still made our drafts even if we were the ones posting in the forum. Due to family stuff, we didn't know if either of us were actually going to be available during the draft to relay these, so we just gave it to them.

Also, see Adi's post for the explanation of the other. Frankly, we screwed up. In a lot of ways. For both of us.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Here's the thing, teams are not supposed to help other teams, at least not to the extent you guys have. Sure, I've pinged people before on facebook when their pick is coming up when they've forgotten, but that's just good sportsmanship(I do it as a draft runner too if I have you added). What's not okay is teams making picks for teams in exchange for superior advantages, trading picks for advantages, etc.

This is a competition. Its one team vs the rest. It's not two teams helping each other other constantly vs the rest. It's not fair for any other team in the competition that you guys are doing this.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

You had an hour to manually make a pick list, the same way TBC has been doing it in an hour for 3 years. See my explanation above for the rest.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Sorry we assumed ff also followed the spirit of FIRST.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Sure, but this is FIRST we're talking about. Where is Gracious Professionalism? The entire concept of the FIRST programs is to engrain the fact that you can compete without having to beat down other teams. Even if it's a competition with teams against each other, so is FRC. Gracious Professionalism still should apply.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

If it was in the spirit of FIRST, you would for just helped them, not traded a pick for an advantage.

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Let me put it this way in FRC terms. #4 seed talking to #5 seed. #5 seed - "We'll give you our picklist if you skip over picking team X so we can have them instead"

That's basically whats happening here. Helping one team is one thing. You wanna give them a pick list? Sure. There's no advantage for anyone, its the same as if they made their own picklist. Trading that picklist for a better team? It's advantageous vs other teams not involved. There's nothing the other teams can do about it.

You can't apply it to FRC the same way. Sure, help someone build their robot for your alliance, its the same as if you just picked a better team or they had a better robot. Teams can combat this by building a better robot for themselves, there is counterplay, its doesn't really give someone a large advantage over anyone else.

What can I do to combat your 3 first picks? pick better teams? thats reliant on my pick position, I can't force myself to get more #1 picks.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

See here's the thing: us at Questionable Decisionmakers don't even think that TRF even helped you guys much more than a random player would. Based on our data system, we came up with the following expected outputs for a player in your position:

AZN, Projected Points, 8th pick: 90.51
Hub City, Projected Points, 9th Pick: 85.24

And this is what the result was:
F3, AZN, Projected Points, 8th pick: 53.44 (17 points below 8th best score)
F3, Hub City, Projected Points, 9th pick: 61.92 (27 points below 8th best score)

Sure, you guys might still have gotten last. But by that large a margin? In no draft simulation we do is the largest gap by anywhere near 17 points.

Both the 27-2883 and the San Diego trade should be cancelled. I don't think draft pick trades should be cancelled, but they should be submitted to the commissioner for approval before 9am PST before the next upcoming draft.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm ending this conversation. If you really feel that this is an issue then fine. I'd prefer to do FF without these issues. The trade at San Diego was wrong and I shouldn't have been ok with the straight up trade. The northern lights deal is a situation that we shouldn't have imposed. Regardless I felt that the picks supplied to f3 were good picks, but those picks shouldn't have equated to 27.

I just want this whole deal to be over so we can move on.

Sorry for these issues,

Niklas Murray

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I only count 2 first picks. Trading the 2nd first pick team was worth it to them as without us they were just picking random. What we did was entirely within the rules and we shouldn't be penalized for it. If because of this you want rule. Changes I understand. But what has been done is done.

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I'd be fine with this as well.

Go ahead and collab between two teams if you'd like, but don't give one team an advantage over the non-involved teams while you're doing it. Nobody has a problem with TRF helping F3, the problem is the extra advantages TRF are receiving while doing it.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

We definitely don't want to discourage people from playing. It's no fun playing against nobody. Just we definitely want to keep things fair! Thanks for understanding and that hopefully should clear up the issues.

I'm also not a huge fan of trading draft slots. TBC this evening were thinking of several ways to abuse this specific mechanic much to the levels of waiting out the waiver timer last year.

I mean c'mon. As you said "Sorry we assumed ff also followed the spirit of FIRST." Obviously this kind of pick trading benefits one team way more than the other. You can't just use the GP/Spirit of FIRST argument when it happens to be convenient for you.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I think it is possible to abuse this, but it makes it significantly more difficult to do so if it's screened by a consistent, reliable source (say, Eric, or a nine member committee, one from every team).

However, based on recent events, I am fine with suspending draft pick trades (or all trades for that matter) until we have a reasonable screening process agreed to by everyone.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

#1 - your standard FP, South Florida
#2 - traded first pick, Arizona North
#3 - 27 for 2883(27 was first picked at the event), Northern Lights

I have no problem with the Arizona North pick, theres nothing against it in the rules, and it was a fair trade, and of course I have nothing against your standard first pick at South Florida.

I mostly have a problem with the 27 for 2883 trade. If this was really about GP, as has been posted above, you would of helped them with no reward. Helping them for a reward isn't GP, thats just helping yourself out.

Edit - I also have no problem with you providing them a picklist or picking for them, just the trade at Northern Lights and the #5 for #7 trade.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The problem is it's too hard to moderate. I want to draft slots in-head of the strong teams and behind a lot of weak teams. I get to steal all the good teams from the teams that are weaker and make sub par picks.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

What's wrong with helping ourselves out if it's within the rules? We also helped them.

We are playing to win. If anything in the past is changed then FF is being rigged in favor of everyone but us. We are not against banning pick position trades but changing the past because one team was able to use the system to its advantage isnt fair.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

They might as well have randomed and would probably have gotten just as good if not better results. I'd say that isn't helping, that's extortion at best and collusion at worst.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I told them those picks based off of my past experiences which is how I've drafted other teams. There was no harmful intent there, just picks that I felt to be good based upon how they had done at events that I have seen.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Just to be clear, I ran the selection of teams at Hub City past Devin and Adi. To avoid further confusion I believe that is why allowed me to post their picks.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

We've never had to make rules like this before because nobody has tried to game the system for an unfair advantage. You guys would be the first. If you really want to be within the spirit of first and follow GP, you'd realize you messed up, revoke the #5 for #7, trade back 27 and 2883, and carry on with your lives. (Unless of course you think you can't win without them :) )

Nothing else to say on the topic, waiting for Eric now.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Been doing this a long time, and with the implementation of the set draft schedule I am personally ok with people trading draft slots, yes it made it a headache when I ran the draft but it is no different then if the teams effectively said instead, ok we will pick X when our draft comes up if you pick Y for us. And then just traded the teams after (which has always been ok). With the set schedule it makes it easier to trade drafting slots because you know what another team is going to have. I actually have done this in Fantasy Football, and do not see a problem with it so long as these are kept track of (ie there is a section on the draft google doc that is documenting all these trades to just make sure they are staying relatively even.) and if the commissioner feels that someone(s) is utilizing this to get an unfair advantage he can put the kibosh to it.

I actually like the trading slots more so then the just pre-picking who you are going to trade for, as it involves less colluding. Plus I am interested in how this goes cause it could see an evolution to how we do the drafts..

Just my 2 cents take it for what it's worth.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm perfectly fine trading back the San Diego pick, but the 27 trade went through and there was no backlash for it last night. I don't know what will happen, but I want to move on to the rest of the season.

Re: [FF]: 2017 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I didn't even realize it went through until today, when you didn't make their picks for them I assumed the deal had been canceled, I was wrong.