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Ben Martin 08-23-2016 05:05 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
I can't remember if this originally came from Antonio or Scott, but this district point spreadsheet is pretty good at reflecting the most successful teams competition-wise in MAR over the past 5 years. 341 might be a couple spots low, since they had a great robot in 2013 and didn't attend MAR Champs that year (they were the #1 ranked team in MAR going into the event).

jajabinx124 08-23-2016 05:28 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whatever (Post 1602414)
2987 is flying under your radar.
Quote is editted to add 2987

Oh shoot, thanks for correcting me. I just remembered they were alliance captains on Galileo!

Kevin Leonard 08-23-2016 07:38 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1602387)
Okay dude now you're just purposefully creating ranking algorithms that make 5254 look good :P

It was more that I noticed that a bunch of good teams had one bad year pulling them down, like 20's 2012, 340's 2016, 639's 2015, and I wondered what it would be like if you removed the one bad year for each team. I considered not removing a year for 5254 as well, but I thought that might be a weird exception to make. Although I understand why it makes it look like I'm padding 5254's stats.

For the record, in the past 5 years, 1507 was the #1 ranked team by OPR twice, 5254 was twice, and 20 was once.
1507 has maintained an awesome amount of consistency in that even in their worst years they find a way to be a contender, and in their good years they dominate.

Richard Wallace 08-23-2016 08:29 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1602387)
Okay dude now you're just purposefully creating ranking algorithms that make 5254 look good :P

No need to hype 5254. :rolleyes: Their performance speaks for itself.

If hype you must, ask, "Which NY team would have earned the most points at IRI, if IRI were a district competition?"

A Mountain Man 08-23-2016 10:53 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
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Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb) (Post 1602438)
I think the list would be more accurate if you took the average of the events each team did or double the total points if a team only attended one event. As it stands now, a team that only attended one event is below where they should be.

I hadn't thought about that. I'll see what it looks like if I did.

Chris is me 08-24-2016 09:22 AM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace (Post 1602497)
No need to hype 5254. :rolleyes: Their performance speaks for itself.

If hype you must, ask, "Which NY team would have earned the most points at IRI, if IRI were a district competition?"

Kevin knows I have a deep love for 5254; they're like 2791's best friend! Lots of information sharing between the two teams this year. I just think, let the performances speak for themselves, you know? Kevin, everyone who has their finger on the pulse of competitive FRC (the kind of people who read summer CD) knows that 5254 is the real deal. We get it, you iterate, etc.

Back on topic, I've been meaning to compile stats for CT, but I don't know what kind of convenient OPR calculator everyone is using these days. Could anyone supply some links to resources I could use to gather this information? Or is it all in the cloud / online somewhere now?

Kevin Leonard 08-24-2016 10:03 AM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1602592)
Kevin knows I have a deep love for 5254; they're like 2791's best friend! Lots of information sharing between the two teams this year. I just think, let the performances speak for themselves, you know? Kevin, everyone who has their finger on the pulse of competitive FRC (the kind of people who read summer CD) knows that 5254 is the real deal. We get it, you iterate, etc.

Back on topic, I've been meaning to compile stats for CT, but I don't know what kind of convenient OPR calculator everyone is using these days. Could anyone supply some links to resources I could use to gather this information? Or is it all in the cloud / online somewhere now?

Top teams that consistently choke in eliminations in Western NY:
  1. 5254
Top teams that have seeded first at Finger Lakes twice and failed to take home the banner:
  1. 5254
Sure there are a lot of lists I could make where 5254 comes in first. :rolleyes:

hutchMN 08-24-2016 11:38 AM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard (Post 1602604)
Top teams that consistently choke in eliminations in Western NY:
  1. 5254
Top teams that have seeded first at Finger Lakes twice and failed to take home the banner:
  1. 5254
Sure there are a lot of lists I could make where 5254 comes in first. :rolleyes:

I can join the club too :cool:
Teams that worked for a grand total of 1 match before elims, but still got picked in the top 4, and then broke down again during elims:
1) 2502

SpaceBiz 08-24-2016 01:35 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hutchMN (Post 1602618)
I can join the club too :cool:
Teams that worked for a grand total of 1 match before elims, but still got picked in the top 4, and then broke down again during elims:
1) 2502

Alliance captains in CHS that won an event and did not go to champs.
1) 2537

Theseusgoats 08-25-2016 10:54 AM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
I ranked the the top 10 in Indiana over the three district events as well as the championship event. I only counted those who ranked in the top 15 for each one and considered the OPR relative to the event. Also, the Number 1 ranked by OPR was given a slight bump. In order...

1501- By far the most consistent, got OPR 1 in 3 events
1024- Consitently got 2nd in OPR
4103- Very consistent in top 5 OPR
4982- Had a bit of a bad event with the State Championship but performed well at Walker Warren getting OPR 1
234- Consistent top OPR
135- Under the Radar team this year which did very well
1747- Suffered due to their State Championship performance
868- Great team this year, had a poor 1st event for their standards
71- Suffered due to a bad State Championship performance
461- Didn't get in the top 15 for one of their events but they were top 10 for state and walker warren, and went to the finals in walker warren. (kind of a writer's pick)

Cothron Theiss 08-25-2016 02:00 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell (Post 1602305)
Where can one find OPR data?

I'll echo his question, since I'm curious as well. Are you getting this through BlueAlliance, and if so, how can I get ahold of that data as well?

Rachel Lim 08-25-2016 02:10 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Here's more data! (since you can never have too much data)

Instead of just looking at OPR rank, I graphed it according to standard deviations above above the mean. 254 once again dominates, with several records: the only team with an average above 4, 1 of 4 teams to break 4 in a single year, 1 of 2 teams to break 4 in both categories (max/avg OPR), and the only team to break 5 (and even 6 in avg OPR).

Each category includes the 10 teams with the highest average (not highest rank as previously used). For the average, I used only CA teams, and the relevant stats (i.e. for max OPR, the average was the average of all max OPRs)

I think this is somewhat more representative than just rank (since it adjusts for how far above average you are), but it does make the graphs messier:



The top team per year in CA (standard deviations above average, max OPR, (CA data set only) (all teams)):
2012: 1717 (4.51) (4.77)
2013: 1538 (3.97) (4.71)
2014: 254 (4.01) (3.52)
2015: 254 (5.86) (6.57)
2016: 971 (4.06) (4.15)

Top teams in the world (data set now includes all teams):
2012: 2056 (5.20)
2013: 987 (4.93)
2014: 1114 (4.21)
2015: 254 (6.57)
2016: 148 (4.35)

Teams for 2008 to 2011 are 1114, 71, 67, and 111, which gives Ontario a third of the top spots in the past 9 years.

Rachel Lim 08-25-2016 02:13 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss (Post 1602922)
I'll echo his question, since I'm curious as well. Are you getting this through BlueAlliance, and if so, how can I get ahold of that data as well?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1602592)
Back on topic, I've been meaning to compile stats for CT, but I don't know what kind of convenient OPR calculator everyone is using these days. Could anyone supply some links to resources I could use to gather this information? Or is it all in the cloud / online somewhere now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss (Post 1602922)
I'll echo his question, since I'm curious as well. Are you getting this through BlueAlliance, and if so, how can I get ahold of that data as well?

Sorry for the double post. To address questions about getting OPR data, these are the two sources that I know of (besides calculating it yourself).

I personally prefer 2834's database since it's in excel and already nicely formatted:
2016: https://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/3242?
2008-2015: https://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2174

TBA also has OPRs calculated per event, accessible via their API:
http://www.thebluealliance.com/apidocs

JEE89 08-25-2016 02:40 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
In my state, CT, the best team is undoubtedly team #195, consistent every year, never is lacking, etc.

Within New England, however, the best team is between 195 and 1519. 1519 is always good, just like 195 and honestly it depends on the year which one of these 2 comes out on top within our region.

Hitchhiker 42 08-25-2016 02:42 PM

Re: Best in your State/Region
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JEE89 (Post 1602937)
In my state, CT, the best team is undoubtedly team #195, consistent every year, never is lacking, etc.

Within New England, however, the best team is between 195 and 1519. 1519 is always good, just like 195 and honestly it depends on the year which one of these 2 comes out on top within our region.

To CT, I'd add 230 for Culture awards. Overall NE, don't forget about 125.


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