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efoote868 07-09-2016 13:19
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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1605297)
I don't understand. How does removing Stop Build Day make you change your team's work schedule?
With Stop Build Day - robot goes into a bag per the rules, majority of the team is done until competition

Without Stop Build Day - robot gets worked on right up until competition, majority of the team works until competition.

Yes, teams can limit themselves and self police, but practically speaking that's not how it will work. For some teams, that's not even how it works now.

AdamHeard 07-09-2016 13:21
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Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 1605298)
With Stop Build Day - robot goes into a bag per the rules, majority of the team is done until competition

Without Stop Build Day - robot gets worked on right up until competition, majority of the team works until competition.

Yes, teams can limit themselves and self police, but practically speaking that's not how it will work. For some teams, that's not even how it works now.
You're currently competed in districts... You already get unbag windows and can have the majority of the team continuing work if they desire. If you're not currently doing that, it's a choice you're making.

Chris Hibner 07-09-2016 13:21
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Originally Posted by Brian Selle (Post 1605272)
5) Several years ago when we only had a few kids and a couple mentors, I remember everyone working flat out until bag day to finish the competition robot. The kids and mentors were all exhausted. We didn't have the bandwidth to build 2 robots simultaneously. We'd take a couple days off then peel ourselves off the floor and have to start building the practice robot. It certainly paid off, but felt so unnecessary. I would have much rather continued working and practicing on the competition robot.
Your entire post was spot on for me, but this one best describes it for me.

efoote868 07-09-2016 13:26
Re: [FIRST EMAIL] Stop Build Day Survey
 
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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1605300)
You're currently competed in districts... You already get unbag windows and can have the majority of the team continuing work if they desire. If you're not currently doing that, it's a choice you're making.
I'm not arguing against unbag windows, heck give every team 168 hours of unbag time per week during competition season. But I want the stop build day because it's a natural time for teams to reorganize and provide relief for casual participants.

XaulZan11 07-09-2016 13:35
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If the results of are the survey are mixed, I'd suggest a one year trial run of eliminating bagging the robot. Teams attending the North/East Championship do not bag their robots while those attending the South/West Championship still bag it. Survey the teams after the season and see which sample enjoyed the season more.

notmattlythgoe 07-09-2016 13:36
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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1605308)
If the results of are the survey are mixed, I'd suggest a one year trial run of eliminating bagging the robot. Teams attending the North/East Championship do not bag their robots while those attending the South/West Championship still bag it. Survey the teams after the season and see which sample enjoyed the season more.
What about teams that attend an event from the other side?

notmattlythgoe 07-09-2016 13:38
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Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 1605304)
I'm not arguing against unbag windows, heck give every team 168 hours of unbag time per week during competition season. But I want the stop build day because it's a natural time for teams to reorganize and provide relief for casual participants.
"You have to bag your robot at this time on this day, but then can immediately unbag it to continue working on it."

XaulZan11 07-09-2016 13:38
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Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1605309)
What about teams that attend an event from the other other side?
For one season, I think you could restrict teams traveling outside their Champs-split region (or at least prevent non-bag teams traveling into a bag region).

Basel A 07-09-2016 13:40
Re: [FIRST EMAIL] Stop Build Day Survey
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 1605298)
With Stop Build Day - robot goes into a bag per the rules, majority of the team is done until competition

Without Stop Build Day - robot gets worked on right up until competition, majority of the team works until competition.

Yes, teams can limit themselves and self police, but practically speaking that's not how it will work. For some teams, that's not even how it works now.
I'd say you're already self-policing by not mandating your students continue coming after six weeks. If you keep doing exactly that (only mandate work schedule for the first six weeks), you'll likely end up in roughly the same situation you're currently in. Do you disagree?

I really don't think most teams are limiting their work schedule because of Stop Build. If they want to work more, then they're already working more. If they don't want to work more, nothing is going to make them work more. This change, in my mind, mostly makes that work more time- and cost-efficient.

efoote868 07-09-2016 13:45
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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1605312)
I'd say you're already self-policing by not mandating your students continue coming after six weeks. If you keep doing exactly that (only mandate work schedule for the first six weeks), you'll likely end up in roughly the same situation you're currently in. Do you disagree?
Hours and work schedule I agree, but the team would feel differently about it.

Rangel(kf7fdb) 07-09-2016 13:48
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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1605308)
If the results of are the survey are mixed, I'd suggest a one year trial run of eliminating bagging the robot. Teams attending the North/East Championship do not bag their robots while those attending the South/West Championship still bag it. Survey the teams after the season and see which sample enjoyed the season more.
Sure but lets instead have North keep the bag and South test out the unbag. ::rtm::

efoote868 07-09-2016 13:59
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Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1605310)
"You have to bag your robot at this time on this day, but then can immediately unbag it to continue working on it."
The 30 lb withholding allowance already doesn't make sense, so...

Mr V 07-09-2016 14:01
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Originally Posted by martin417 (Post 1605287)
Imagine If all teams were inspected before practice matches started? There might be a rush and a line-up at inspection immediately after the pits open the first day! The horror!
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Originally Posted by jman4747 (Post 1605289)
I wish that was the problem we had now. That should be like a goal.
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Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1605292)
The robot inspectors would love to have to deal with that problem. Much better than trying to get a robot to pass its inspection so it can participate in seeding mathes.
One of the advantages of how we run the District System in the PNW is that there are no practice matches on Day 0. Day 0 is all about getting inspected.

Because of that 15-20 minutes after the pits open the line starts to form at the scale and as they complete the weigh in and sizing check teams sign up for inspection. The vast majority of teams do complete inspection that night. Yes there are times when we have a team or two that were are scrambling to get into compliance or conditional compliance before the first match.

PayneTrain 07-09-2016 14:01
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Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 1605320)
The 30 lb withholding allowance already doesn't make sense, so...
Why?

efoote, could you explain how Stop Build Day is supported by the strategic pillars of FIRST?

notmattlythgoe 07-09-2016 14:02
Re: [FIRST EMAIL] Stop Build Day Survey
 
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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1605322)
Why

efoote, could you explain how Stop Build Day is supported by the strategic pillars of FIRST?
I'm as confused as you...


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