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Cupertino, CA 299 Granada Hills, CA 511 Middlesex, NJ 747 Kingsville, ON Canada 748 Oakville, ON Canada 1374 Kingston, ON Canada 2708 Marysville, OH 3888 Shenzhen, China 5833 Washington, DC USA 6238 Falls Church, VA USA 6239 Toronto, ON Canada 6240 Durham, NC USA 6241 Seattle, WA USA 6242 Monterrey , NLE Mexico 6243 Reese, MI USA 6244 Orange, CA USA 6245 La Porte City, IA USA 6246 Raleigh, NC USA 6248 Resurrected vets Last played 2yr ago: Toronto, ON, Canada 907 Richmond, KS 938 Kanata, ON 2994 Travelers Rest, SC 3651 Mississauga, ON 4777 Upland, CA 5107 Beijing, China 5451 Ottawa, ON 5652 3 yr: Wanaque, NJ 265 Canoga Park, CA 3851 Honolulu, HI 4270 4 yr: Beaverton, OR 2898 6 yr: Lutherville Timonium, MD 1727 |
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They probably met the criteria for a Rookie Team instead of a returning veteran team. Honestly if I was in their shoes I would rather come in as a rookie then a veteran especially in a district system when I get +10 points just for existing.
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Hrm. The reserve capacity for all FiM districts was just increased significantly, taking the open capacity for almost all events down by a few spots. Southfield went from having 10 reserve to 19 reserve. Midland and Traverse City both went from single open to zero, West Michigan went from eight open to one, and Center Line went from 11 open to zero.
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Anyone else have issues with FIM registration? That was thoroughly frustrating, tbh.
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Second district event registration that opened at noon EST today went very smoothly for me. MOE 365 registered for the MAR Seneca event.
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Very smooth for us as well. In and out in under a minute. 1018 will be attending Perry Meridian and Tippecanoe.
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These are the places that are still missing veterans from last season:
#Missing 82 ---- MI 73 ---- MN 62 ---- Israel (new District hasn't begun registering teams) 55 ---- TX 41 ---- CA 39 ---- Mexico 26 ---- NY 25 ---- Canada-ON 23 ---- Australia 18 ---- FL 17 ---- GA 17 ---- LA 17 ---- WA 16 ---- MO 15 ---- China 15 ---- VA 14 ---- AZ 13 ---- Canada-AB 13 ---- CO 13 ---- SC 13 ---- TN 9 ----- HI 9 ----- MA 9 ----- MD 9 ----- UT 8 ----- IL 8 ----- NJ 8 ----- Turkey 7 ----- AR 7 ----- Canada-QC 7 ----- ID 7 ----- OK 7 ----- PA 5 ----- NC 5 ----- NH 4 ----- AL 4 ----- DC 4 ----- KY 4 ----- MS 4 ----- OH 3 ----- IN 3 ----- KS 3 ----- NM 2 ----- CT 2 ----- Dominican Republic 2 ----- Japan 2 ----- OR 2 ----- Taiwan 2 ----- WI 2 ----- WY 1 ----- Australia 1 ----- Bosnia-Herzegovina 1 ----- Brazil 1 ----- Canada-AB 1 ----- Canada-SK 1 ----- Czech Republic 1 ----- DE 1 ----- Denmark 1 ----- Ecuador 1 ----- IA 1 ----- India 1 ----- MT 1 ----- ND 1 ----- NV 1 ----- Poland 1 ----- PR 1 ----- RI 1 ----- SD 1 ----- United Kingdom 1 ----- WV |
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5813 registered for Southern NH at 12:01! ;) At 12:03, SNH was full. :P
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Registration is up about 3% over last year at this point in registration.
Here are The first just jumps (pretty much a straight line) from the morning after the late registration opening to corresponding surge markers that are present every year. The second is the more accurate one that simply slides the opening day as Jon suggested earlier. Just plotting the actual delayed date looks better, but makes it harder to see the correlation between that day-early District arc and the 2012 regular arc. The third uses the real dates for registration who's start dates spread over a couple of weeks in the past decade. Mile-marker events such as 2nd District opening and unrestricted Regionals, even US holidays are uncorrelated giving subsequent years a slanted look. It's most noticeable between the light green 2016 line (earliest registration ever opened) and the white 2017 plot (latest it ever opened). The first plot variation better compares the fast fingers on the first day, while still correlating with the standard markers (where the surges are every year), such as the 2nd District event registration day where a lot of MI teams come out of hiding. See if this is understandable and give me your preference. I played with stretching the interpolation, but that didn't look much different than a straight line. |
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Ok, I've rewritten this like 5 times, I keep going back and forth.
The first one could be a useful comparison next year with the new preference system Frank has talked about in the blog - does the introduction of a new system for initial event registration significantly change how registration goes? But at the same time, I feel like it probably overstates what would have happened if registration proceeded normally this year, and could lead to false conclusions. The second one I like for the simple fact that it represents reality. It shows that, despite being a week late, the initial surge "made up" for that lost week of registration immediately. Looking at these graphs today, I was struck with a burning desire to see a third graph (or a third and fourth), one showing the difference, day to day, in registrations between years. So one line that shows (2017-2016), another for (2016-2015), etc. each day as registration proceeds. Does that difference generally stay the same? Does it increase at a predictable rate? Are there sudden surges some years that we can't explain? And, perhaps most appropriately, how does it show the difference between this year and last year? |
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The second plot is not actually reality either, so you may want to see a fully uncorrected plot.
Opening day in the 2000's up until about 2014 was typically halfway between this year's delayed opening and last year's opening. That's why I've been using Oct 3 as a normalized starting point for past years. |
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Some of the teams on your list, for example 3509, didn't play last year (or in 2015 either) that I can see.
I'm only counting teams who played last season. From your list 3509, 4995, 5233, 6031, 6080, 6115, 6151 didn't play last season 5525 should be on your list but isn't (they played last year but aren't on an event list yet for this season). |
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%Missing - #Missing 2.6% ------ 1 ----- Australia 100.0% ---- 1 ----- Bosnia-Herzegovina 16.7% ----- 1 ----- Brazil 4.8% ------ 1 ----- Canada-AB 100.0% ---- 1 ----- Canada-SK 100.0% ---- 1 ----- Czech Republic 25.0% ----- 1 ----- DE 100.0% ---- 1 ----- Denmark 100.0% ---- 1 ----- Ecuador 10.0% ----- 1 ----- IA 100.0% ---- 1 ----- India 100.0% ---- 1 ----- MT 33.3% ----- 1 ----- ND 11.1% ----- 1 ----- NV 100.0% ---- 1 ----- Poland 100.0% ---- 1 ----- PR 16.7% ----- 1 ----- RI 50.0% ----- 1 ----- SD 33.3% ----- 1 ----- United Kingdom 25.0% ----- 1 ----- WV 4.2% ------ 2 ----- CT 100.0% ---- 2 ----- Dominican Republic 100.0% ---- 2 ----- Japan 4.7% ------ 2 ----- OR 66.7% ----- 2 ----- Taiwan 4.2% ------ 2 ----- WI 50.0% ----- 2 ----- WY 6.1% ------ 3 ----- IN 13.6% ----- 3 ----- KS 60.0% ----- 3 ----- NM 33.3% ----- 4 ----- AL 30.8% ----- 4 ----- DC 30.8% ----- 4 ----- KY 44.4% ----- 4 ----- MS 6.9% ------ 4 ----- OH 9.6% ------ 5 ----- NC 15.2% ----- 5 ----- NH 41.2% ----- 7 ----- AR 15.6% ----- 7 ----- Canada-QC 46.7% ----- 7 ----- ID 13.7% ----- 7 ----- OK 10.1% ----- 7 ----- PA 13.3% ----- 8 ----- IL 10.5% ----- 8 ----- NJ 40.0% ----- 8 ----- Turkey 34.6% ----- 9 ----- HI 13.2% ----- 9 ----- MA 22.0% ----- 9 ----- MD 42.9% ----- 9 ----- UT 61.9% ----- 13 ----- Canada-AB 36.1% ----- 13 ----- CO 30.2% ----- 13 ----- SC 38.2% ----- 13 ----- TN 27.5% ----- 14 ----- AZ 44.1% ----- 15 ----- China 19.2% ----- 15 ----- VA 21.9% ----- 16 ----- MO 25.4% ----- 17 ----- GA 50.0% ----- 17 ----- LA 14.9% ----- 17 ----- WA 25.7% ----- 18 ----- FL 59.0% ----- 23 ----- Australia 18.1% ----- 25 ----- Canada-ON 17.3% ----- 26 ----- NY 73.6% ----- 39 ----- Mexico 15.8% ----- 41 ----- CA 38.7% ----- 55 ----- TX 100.0% ---- 62 ----- Israel 35.1% ----- 73 ----- MN 19.9% ----- 82 ----- MI |
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For comparison I added a new registration plot to post 117 that is unadulterated and uses only the true dates rather than matching mile markers such as registration start or 2nd District opening.
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Passed 2600 teams. 83% of last seasons total teams.
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Just had a slew (slew~50) join this morning from Minnesota taking a bunch off their waitlists.
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I noticed the Turkey teams have already registered for two regionals. 6384 and 6435 are both registered for South Florida and Miami Valley.
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Looks like TBA is out of date as 6384 is registered for Miami Valley but not South Florida and 6435 vice versa.
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The team listings on frc-events.firstinspires.org for FLWP and OHSP have both teams (6384 and 6435) listed at both events: https://frc-events.firstinspires.org/2017/FLWP https://frc-events.firstinspires.org/2017/OHSP Those pages show to be last modified on Oct 14 and Oct 11, so it seems like the inconsistency has been around for a few days. I'd assume the lasso page Brain linked above is correct since teams haven't registered for second events yet. This one will probably fix itself tomorrow once more teams register and caches clear on FIRST's side and it propagates to TBA |
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Last year (or the year before) when 2nd event opened, I would see a color code for the events telling me at what level they were available or wait-listed. Yellow was something like "close to full", orange was "short waitlist", and red was "forget about it, you're not getting a spot." Is something like that happening this year? I don't want to add our team to the waitlist for an event listed as 0 available if there are 30 other teams doing the same thing. |
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Also, do we have any expectation that any additional capacity will be added for 2nd round registration opening today? Many events are below their attendance level from last year, but I'm wondering if all of those spots are held by the RDs for special entry.
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The FIRST API just got turned off for noon 2nd registration.
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Now the event just offers "Waitlist". No grades of coloration related to how deep the waitlist is. After going on the waitlist, in my team's list of events the term "waitlist" is colored yellow. |
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Is there a way to see your position on an event's waitlist?
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I got into my event, on wait list. But I don't know how to get on the waitlist for Champs. The recent email from FIRST said:
Veteran Team Championship Waitlist Registration, will open at 12:00 pm (noon) Eastern Time on Thursday, 10/27. We will provide information about how the Championship waitlists will work shortly. Any clues? Toby |
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CMP waitlist registration opens next week.
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Still working for me.
I got into Arizona West within about 7-8 seconds after opening. When I checked at about 29 seconds, the other spot was gone too. Who is the other lucky winner of the only other available spot at AZ West this morning? Show yourself! This has really gotten to the point of even timing your breathing and monitoring your pulse. I had my finger positioned on the mouse button, and the cursor over the link, and I was able to achieve the result I was going for. It's exhilarating, but nerve-wracking at the same time. Honestly, had I needed to sneeze at this moment of time, we would likely not be playing in Arizona. |
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I'm glad I got in before 12:02 pm, because I've never seen Buckeye fill up this fast before. Team 451 is going.
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Woot! Just successfully registered for our second event. Good luck to everyone we will be seeing at NYC and Hudson Valley this year.
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Could anyone verify the dates for the Las Vegas regional?
We initially were planning on coming back to Vegas (last time was 2009!) but once we registered, we noticed that the dates on the registration page were Tues 4/4-Fri 4/7; however, the FIRSTInspires website shows that is Weds 4/5- Sat 4/8. Thanks! |
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We got into the page for Tech valley within the first ten seconds after noon, and it was already on waitlist. Since there were only 19 teams registered before today, I'm assuming it didn't fill up to 36 teams in those ten seconds, and that the capacity was still set to be low for now.
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There were only 3 spots at Tech Valley when we tried to register and error'ed out, so the initial capacity wasn't increased.
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There were seventeen spots open for Buckeye at noon. We got one of them at noon + 2s, at which point there were four. Then none at noon + 13 s.
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Reminder: All teams registering for Seven Rivers are automatically waitlisted. This is due to it being a Week 7 event and manual verification of location.
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And with that, both of the regionals that my team is registered for, (Central Illinois and Iowa) are filled to capacity.
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Man lots of veteran Florida teams are choosing to go out of state as opposed to running back to back regionals.
Only 59. 233, 385, 1523, 1744, and 3653 are Florida teams registered for both with 4481 taking advantage of the back to back times to come over from the Netherlands. |
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The most (publicized) space is available at: Western Canada Regional - 34 open NE - Greater Boston event- 21 open ONT -Windsor Essex Great Lakes event- 12 open IN - St. Joseph event- 11 open PCH - Albany event- 11 open MAR - Bridgewater-Raritan event- 7 open PNW - West Valley event - 6 open CHS - Hampton Roads event - 4 open NC - UNC Asheville event - 3 open |
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Here are the events most in need of additional teams. In case anyone is undecided.
I'm sure they would love to see you! These are just the ones that have fewer than the minimum 24 required for playoffs and that are still advertising open capacity, i.e., not waitlisted. Regionals: Filled -- Event Name --------------------- Dates 8 ------ Lone Star North Regional ----- 30-Mar - 02-Apr 10 ----- Southern Cross Regional ----- 13-Mar - 15-Mar 12 ----- Idaho Regional ---------------- 29-Mar - 01-Apr 17 ----- Brazos Valley Regional ------- 30-Mar - 02-Apr 18 ----- Lone Star Central Regional -- 15-Mar - 18-Mar 19 ----- Hawaii Regional --------------- 29-Mar - 01-Apr 21 ----- Western Canada Regional ---- 05-Apr - 08-Apr 22 ----- Hub City Regional ------------ 01-Mar - 04-Mar Districts: 14 ----- NE District - Greater Boston Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar 20 ----- ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event ------ 17-Mar - 19-Mar 21 ----- ONT District - Nipissing University Event ---------- 06-Apr - 08-Apr 22 ----- ONT District - Windsor Essex Great Lakes Event -- 30-Mar - 01-Apr 20 ----- MAR District - Bridgewater-Raritan Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar 23 ----- MAR District - Westtown Event ---------------- 10-Mar - 12-Mar 21 ----- PCH District - Albany Event ----- 23-Mar - 25-Mar 22 ----- NC District - UNC Asheville Event ----- 17-Mar - 19-Mar 23 ----- IN District - St. Joseph Event ----- 10-Mar - 12-Mar |
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Las Vegas is looking to be very competitive. So far we have 148, 118, 842, and (assumed) 987. Looks exciting!
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The FIRST team database is acting a bit wacky this morning, so today's results will be spotty.
It recognizes a query session for only 8 seconds total, so if you try to flip through a list of teams you have 8 seconds to reach the end of it. That's probably going to impact Aren's event summary updates. P.S. Seems fine now. I wonder f it was related to the DOS attack yesterday on the server farm in NH. |
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I worry a bit about what looks like "loosing" twice as many teams as rookies/resurrected teams coming in. This is not explosive growth.
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Miami Valley (MVR) is started to clear the waitlist. We had 7 teams on it.
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The week 1 Toluca Regional in Toluca de Lerdo, Mexico is new.
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Just jumped across the 3000 team mark.
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The one team previously registered for Mexico City has now been moved onto the Toluca roster.
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87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional ----- Mount Holly, NJ 2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada 2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada 3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Clifton, NJ 2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Trenton, NJ 2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC 141 ------ Arkansas Rock City Regional ----- Holland, MI 5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN 125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA 5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA |
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