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Added 4188, going to Huntsville.

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87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional ----- Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Burlington, ON Canada
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Trenton, NJ
2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
141 ------ Arkansas Rock City Regional ----- Holland, MI
2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA
4188 ----- Rocket City Regional ----- Columbus, GA
11 ------- Lone Star Central Regional ----- Flanders, NJ

Added 11 for Lone Star Central.

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2914 is in there twice, sorry.

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Here's hoping we don't have the same unfortunate elimination mishap as we did in 2015

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303 got waitlisted to Hudson valley regional. Hope we get in!

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8 to 16 split on pre-qualified teams signed up for Houston vs St Louis Champs.

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Hmmm... It was 10 to 16 a little earlier today. Did 2 teams unregister for Houston? Thought I saw 254 in the Houston Pool at one point.

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Here are the events still showing inviting open slots, although many other events have hidden room to pull from waitlists:

22 ---- Western Canada Regional
17 ---- ONT District - Windsor Essex Great Lakes Event
13 ---- Idaho Regional
13 ---- NE District - Greater Boston Event
13 ---- ONT District - Nipissing University Event
10 ---- PNW District - West Valley Event
10 ---- PNW District - Mount Vernon Event
8 ----- Arkansas Rock City Regional
8 ----- ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event
6 ----- Arizona North Regional
4 ----- ONT District - Western University, Engineering Event
3 ----- Lone Star North Regional
2 ----- Bayou Regional
2 ----- PNW District - Central Washington University Event
2 ----- PNW District - Lake Oswego Event
2 ----- PNW District - Auburn Event
1 ----- Rocket City Regional
1 ----- NC District - UNC Asheville Event


Another way to look at it is the events that don't have enough teams yet for a full playoff schedule:
18 ----- FIM District - Kettering University Event #2
22 ----- Idaho Regional
22 ----- NE District - Greater Boston Event
22 ----- ONT District - Victoria Park Collegiate Event
22 ----- Laguna Regional
23 ----- ONT District - Nipissing University Event
23 ----- Lone Star North Regional

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I was wondering at what point does an event (regionals specifically) become too large an get split into two smaller events? What is the biggest regional this year, in terms of attendance? What are the criteria for splitting a regional? I'm wondering because the Denver regional has it's typical 50ish teams registered, which seems to me like a lot compared to other regionals, but it has had this number of attendees for 5+ years. I was just wondering what it might take to create Northern and Southern Colorado Regionals. IMO Colorado would need to produce another 5-10 teams for the 2018 season to potentially have two regionals in 2019 but I am by no means an expert.

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It's usually somewhere in the 60-64 range (assuming the venue can handle that size) maximum. Beyond that, if the venue can handle more they can do a double event (2 fields, 2 separate events, 1 venue) or do two un-related events, etc.

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The typical cap is 66 teams--last year, L.A. and San Diego (and SVR, I think) all had that cap, and only the Week 1 in that bunch didn't fill it. That isn't a hard-and-fast cap, but it seems to be "what works the best" in the case of regionals that everybody wants to attend. More teams--even if there's space--will result in even fewer plays (a 66-team event generally runs about 8-9 plays/team in quals), so that's kind of frowned upon. (And some folks make a big deal about how 60+ is too many.)

I would say that the criteria for splitting a regional are essentially the same as the criteria for starting a new regional, which your Regional Director will know a little bit better than me--but I'll try anyways. By the way, start now--it can take a year or two to get a regional running.

You'll need a Regional Planning Committee, which will then be responsible for filling in other important details like suitable venues, volunteers, food, power if needed, internet connection for the field... pretty much everything the regional needs.

You'll also need to have a need for said new regional. Your FSMs and RDs will be able to see that a little bit better, but basically you'd need enough teams within a reasonable range to support both. I ran some quick numbers, and I'd suspect that the North regional in event of a split would have a much easier time attracting teams than the South (other than the continual pressure from CA on regionals located in adjacent states...), but with enough double-play teams (playing at both events) I think it could work out.


Short version: You're probably at the point to start thinking about another event, and discussing it with the Senior Mentors and the Regional Directors, but without some growth that also needs to happen, and the organizing body, it'll be quite a while.

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North Star/10K Lakes are across the street from each other, at the same time, and hold 60/63 teams, respectively. And have done so for many years. In Duluth, Northern Lights and Lake Superior are in the same building (pits are in conference halls across from each other, fields are back to back in an attached hockey arena) and hold 60/63 teams, and have done so for many years.

Looking at last year's regionals, I see sizes: 64, 60, 63, 60, 41, 63, 49, 52, 66, 63, 59, 49, 53, 50, 52, 66, 66, 52, 40, 56, 36, 58, 36... and that's just through week 3. So really, 50 isn't on the bigger size - the median size for the first 3 weeks of regionals (plus week .5) is 56.

If you want to get the regionals to split, get the demand for them up over 65, preferably more like 80... then you'll have enough to justify two regionals.

Keep in mind adding another regional means that much more work for volunteers, recruiting more volunteers, finding a location, additional sponsorship to fund the regional... it's a big endeavor adding a new regional!

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Something of a Registration question. When I try to sign up for Kickoff event I get a message that says my data has been Saved, not that it has been Sent.
Another FIRST website glitch? I will probably give them a call on this and a few assorted matters (they are also not showing our payment as received) but curious as to whether this is a general problem. TW

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That's what I get too, but the information is all there after I hit "Submit" when I later go back so I think that's the way it works.
If you talk to FIRST HQ and find out different please let us all know.

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Mark, thank you once again for doing all the data collection, analysis and reporting. It's always a blast to see it all in one place!

How does the growth chart look this year? Last time you posted it, it appeared we were on track for a smaller than normal increase of teams.

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I'm at an off-season so the next chart update will be delayed.

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3100 teams just now.

Only 30 more teams and we match last season's total teams.

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Mark, how does that compare to where we usually are at this point? Is this finally the year that we barely see growth or is it just because teams are hiding on waitlists in places?

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Growth at this point is ~4.5% over last year at this same time.
While last year at this time we were sitting at ~6.8% growth (final gain for 2016 was 8.2%).

I'll post a current plot as soon as we pass last year's number of teams which will probably be tomorrow.

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Another way of asking the question... how does this compare to the dates we've passed the previous year's total registration for the past few years?

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That's on my plot, but since this year's crossing point is still predictive I don't want to publish it before it's been made real.
I also want to see if my projection of the crossing point from a few weeks ago is going to be correct.

Need another 19 teams...

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Can you please share an update on district teams registered for regionals?

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It hasn't changed all that much:

2914 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Washington, DC
5484 ----- South Florida Regional ----- South Bend, IN
125 ------ South Florida Regional ----- Boston, MA
5243 ----- South Florida Regional ----- Centreville, VA
11 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Flanders, NJ
87 ------- Lone Star Central Regional - Mount Holly, NJ
2200 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
2386 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Burlington, ON Canada
4188 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Columbus, GA
3314 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Clifton, NJ
2016 ----- Rocket City Regional ------- Trenton, NJ
341 ------ Lone Star North Regional -- Ambler, PA
709 ------ Western Canada Regional -- Bryn Mawr, PA
2234 ----- Western Canada Regional -- Newtown Square, PA

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Interesting that 7 of the 14 district teams chosing to attend regionals are from MAR.

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You're missing 27, Rush who are registered for the Northern Light's regional in Duluth, they showed up on the list last night though, so that may just be a slight delay on your process picking up the changes.

Thank you for doing all this work. This is a thread I enjoy watching every year.

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Yea, I don't predict future team additions.
All posts include no data created after the time stamp of the post :)

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There, 3130 teams are listed for events now.

Here's the plot.
Triangles mark where registration equals the previous year's registration total final team numbers.
So, this year what I'm going to call "parity" took ~6 days longer than last year.
It's similar to when parity was reached in 2014.

The registration period is very compressed this year, so there has been some affect on the curve for this year.
All the curves are also affected by lack of open event slots and how quickly event waitlists are cleared, and that varies based on changing circumstances year to year.

• 2778 continuing veteran teams (88.8%)
• 352 missing vets (11.2%)
• 324 rookie teams
• 9 new vet teams
• 19 resurrected vets

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Interesting. Still seeing a team "511 - Robodox" listed for the Orange County Regional. Anyone know if Team 599 is building a second team? Or is this just an odd mistake?

Wonder if there are any other mystery teams out there.

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I think it's a faulty portal problem.
Using the old portal to the FIRST database doesn't have your phantom team.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....017&event=cair

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25 countries:

Australia
Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Czech Republic
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
France
Germany
India
Malaysia
Mexico
Morocco
Netherlands
Poland
Singapore
South Africa
Switzerland
Taiwan
Turkey
United Kingdom
USA
Vietnam

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That IS odd. I was looking at the archive.usfirst.org site. And they also pop up on TBA. Looks like I'll need to look at the FIRST database portal from now on.

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Yeah, there's an inconsistency with FIRST's portals. I opened a bug on their tracker, but I haven't heard anything back...

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Interesting, but not terribly surprising.

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So why when I go to "Search for Teams" on the FIRST website, I'm given the choice of only about 8 countries? Sigh.

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The old FIRST database portal lets you choose them all :)

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Except for the UK teams. https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index.lasso does not list them ):

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Great Britain & Northern Ireland are choices, but they don't work :)

If you want the UK teams they are on page 2 of a 250 team listing by location just before USA teams in the alphabet.

1797 ----- London, ENG United Kingdom ----- Bloomberg LP / Providence Equity Partners L.L.C / GMT Communications Partners / Clarion Event Ltd / Bechtel & The American School in London
1884 ----- London, ENG United Kingdom ----- Bloomberg LP / Providence Equity Partners L.L.C. / GMT Communications Partners / Bechtel & The American School in London
5781 ----- London, ENG United Kingdom ----- Bloomberg & The Petchey Academy

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With all the waitlists still pending, and lots of District teams without their second plays yet, these teams going to multiple events numbers are very preliminary:

# Events -- # Teams
4 ---------------- 1
3 ---------------- 60
2 ---------------- 1614
1 ---------------- 1455

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Who are the 60 teams going to 3 events and the 1 team going to 4 events?

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Guilty

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4 events = 125

The attachment lists the sixty 3-event teams.

Only four Regionals show open registration slots, although waitlists on the others remain unknown.
2 -- Arkansas Rock City Regional
3 -- Arizona North Regional
12 - Idaho Regional
18 - Western Canada Regional

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If I were to guess, a good amount of the teams going to 3 events at this point are the ones pre-qualified for Worlds by winning Chairmans at a previous Championship, winning Einstein, or winning Engineering Inspiration in their division.

https://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2017cmpmo
https://www.thebluealliance.com/event/2017cmptx

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I didn't count Championship signups, just regular events.

Eventually, District Championships and the two World Championships will up the total, but that'll be months from now.

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It seems like all District events went to waitlist status before opening for cross-district registration.
That was 100 open slots.

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How many of them reached waitlist not because of new sign-ups but because they lowered the capacity? I know CHS lowered capacities to match their current registration.

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I'm double checking now, but most of the slots that disappeared were in Ontario.

P.S.
Every district went to zero before cross-district registration.
The only event that added a team was NE- Greater Boston

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It wasn't to match current registration but to match the size events venues could handle. Last year had a few venues that were much too tight.

Lower registration numbers just make it easier to not add an eighth event.

Late registering teams isn't a huge factor from what I understand as the lower limits were set before registration began.

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Last night events were showing open slots and higher capacities. This morning the capacities had been lowered so that all CHS (and apparently other districts as well) showed 0 capacity. This includes events like CHS Blacksburg, which only has 29 teams registered and yesterday was showing 7 open slots, and ONT Victoria Park, which is currently sitting at only 22 teams registered (beneath the 24 required for a full elimination round bracket). It appears someone at FIRST wanted all Inter-District registrations to occur via the wait list process.

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There have been a lot of teams (59) added to FIM events since 3 or 4 o'clock this afternoon.
They've all been waitlisted district events since Oct 14.

P.S.
124 total added to FIM events by the next morning.

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No surprise there. I don't know how you guys do it. Just building a robot that can survive that much play is amazing

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We can't help ourselves. With additional District events being reasonably cheap, and most of our events occurring Fri-Sun, we can compete more frequently without heavy financial or school absence burden.

-Brando

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Texas added five teams from the waitlist or late registrations.
We're waitlist locked right now, so it takes RD/FIRST action now to add new teams.

Probably ~200+ more teams will add in, including the whole country of Israel.

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The Pittsburgh Regional opened up a bunch of free slots that had been on their waitlist. Apparently they want to encourage more teams to apply.

We're at 3174 teams. Things seized up a bit when so many events became waitlist locked.

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Also keep in mind the Israeli district hasn't opened up yet either, which will give a nice boost to team count.

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If any of you registered Buckeye folks want to transfer over to Pittsburgh to make room for us at Buckeye, that would be SWELL. ;) :cool:

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Come on Travis I thought you were coming out to Idaho!

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everyone should come to Idaho. It's sure to be a great event again. We are looking forward to coming back.

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Hawaii just freed up 5 open slots to invite more teams, too.

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Regarding Michigan, at the Bloomfield Hills All Girl Event this past Saturday Gail Alpert (the President of FiM) announced that we would be adding two more events in the state. One in the Saginaw area and another "north of Flint," bringing the Michigan district total to 23 events.

Still no word on the location of the state championship.

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From earlier in this thread. When submitting for a Kickoff event I kept getting something that said Information Saved instead of, Yep, good to go. I called FIRST and they said that's how it functions. I will double check to make sure the Kickoff event has us down and that our KoP will be delivered there.

Some odd "intermittent glitches" with the site. It took weeks for our payment for Regionals to show up there. And with some back and forth on scheduling we have Waitlisted and Cancelled several options for a second Regional. I probably clicked the Drop button ten times on Northern Lights (sorry guys, maybe next year) and it refused to work. Until of course I had a nice lady from FIRST on the line. Then, click...done.

Its like taking your car to the shop because it was making a funny sound...until it stops doing so.

T.Wolter

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The event list currently lists 147 events - I remember it being 145 for a few weeks. Which events are new? (all I know is that they are not in Michigan)

Edit: They must have been badly formatted, since they are now definitely showing as Michigan.

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District Event FIM District - Gaylord Event, Gaylord High School, Gaylord, MI USA, 16-Mar - 18-Mar-2017

District Event FIM District - Shepherd Event, Shepherd High School, Shepherd, MI USA, 06-Apr - 08-Apr-2017


3200 Teams now

PS
- 21 resurrected vets
- 11 new vets
- 353 rookie teams
- 314 missing vets (10%)

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Or maybe they are. :eek:

Michigan just keeps chugging along. 61 rookie teams so far for 2017. ~96% YoY retention and 11% YoY growth. ~15% of FRC teams are from Michigan.

Michigan will hold 3 district events in Week 1, and four events per week in Weeks 2-6. Lots of busy people, especially key volunteers.

Wow.

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In part to allow more China teams to come.

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I am curious how that YoY retention is attained. Is it purely because of the funding from the State for registration costs? Or has the dream truly been realized where the program is in beaded in the school culture so well that when the lead mentor leaves there is a school push for a replacement?

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That is absolutely insane. Michigan key volunteers are champs.


Apologies if I missed it elsewhere in the thread, but is that a typical amount of missing veterans compared to previous years? Can you do a breakdown of team age for the missing vets?

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Iowa appears to be filled at 60 teams. I doubt they'll add any more waitlist slots unless an Iowa rookie shows up at the last minute.

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Wow that is incredible.

Michigan officially needs its own Blue Alliance GameDay page each week....

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Until the Israeli teams register, I don't think too much should be read into that.

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The average loss of veteran teams over the past 5 years has been 214/yr or an average retention rate of 92.4%
Last year the vet retention rate was 94.2%, the best it's ever been in any year.

I do have a breakdown, but I'm working an off-season for the next two days, so I won't be able to get to it right away.
We also have a week left to open registration and a bubble that typically peaks about two weeks later around mid-December then drops back over a couple of months as a few teams fail to make their payments or drop out due to other issues.
Israel is probably the largest block of missing vets, but locally Long Island also has four vets on waitlist that are trying to get resolved with the lack of playing space at the LI Regional. I'm sure other areas have common issues, too.

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That can be arranged :D

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Based on thes FRC Growth and FIRST FRC Participation threads, 8 or 9% is a typical attrition count. As Sean notes, Israel is not in yet, and there are likely a few other veterans who will get in just under the deadline.

I don't have my numbers from calculating this handy, but IIRC, attrition rates are a bit higher than average (12-15%) for the first two years, drop to about 9 or 10% for year three-to-four, and decay from there down to about 5-7% per year for teams with a decade of history.

Edit: Here's the link to the data I used to calculate attrition rates, though not my results.

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For the past two seasons we've had this thing called RoboZone. Excellent outreach tool, bringing FIRST to the small screen where proud grandmothers and communities can see it. Jim Zondag and Dan Kimura have done a great job providing analysis and color, while the professional broadcasters work their sports production magic. Robotics is a real high school sport in Michigan, as it is in many other regions.

Focussed TBA GameDay coverage would bring depth to the picture that insiders see, and that is also important.

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We have our first rookie team from the Canadian Yukon Territory.
Whitehorse (I've even been there once).

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This is how many years ago the team was originally founded, not how many years they have played though. Some of these teams didn't play in all intervening years.
Special note: There is at least one team, 2479, whose rookie year is listed as 2008, however the school first had a team as far back as 1993. So depending on how you want to think about it you might want to list them as a 9 year veteran rather than a 24 year veteran team. I just ran this off the All_FRC_Teams_Ever database.
If you want unadjusted rookie years you can use GeeTwo's spreadsheet that he posted a link to below.

I took out the Israeli teams and the few vets languishing on waitlists that I know about.
That left 237 missing non-Israeli vets.

Years
since
Founding
1 ----- 46 are Missing (what would be second year teams if they come back this season)
2 ----- 43 Missing
3 ----- 29 Missing
4 ----- 25 Missing
5 ----- 21 Missing
6 ----- 18 Missing
7 ----- 12 Missing
8 ----- 13 Missing
9 ------ 6 Missing
10 ----- 2 Missing
11 ----- 3 Missing
12 ----- 1 Missing
13 ----- 6 Missing
14 ----- 2 Missing
15 ----- 2 Missing
16 ----- 2 Missing
17 ----- 1 Missing
19 ----- 2 Missing
20 ----- 1 Missing
24 ----- 2 Missing


P.S.
There's an attached pie chart comparing the relative percentages of each age group.
Remember though that younger age groups generally come from a larger pool of teams, so this chart does not reflect equal sampling.
I'll add a post later with relative percentages of the remaining rookie year populations (Thanksgiving grocery shopping takes precedence).

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My mom was born there, she's ecstatic.

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2479 is an interesting one, I'm not quite sure they had a team in 1993 though. As far to my knowledge, the only team in North Minneapolis back in 1993 was one based out of North High School. We had a mentor on our team whose son was on the team back then. (the stories she told and yearbook she showed were so interesting!) This mentor had told us that the team lost the support of their primary sponsor, Honeywell, and died out. That team was never numbered either, so there really is no traceable history of them competing. We helped support the growth of a new robotics program at North High School, who now competes under 5637.

I'm not sure if the original North High School team has connections to 2479 or not, but from what I've heard, it isn't likely. We also supported the "rebirth" of 2479 these last two years based out of the Minneapolis College Prep Charter School, however the school shutdown last year, along with the rebirth of the Phoenix. It's a shame that a team has to die out when the school closes, however I have hope that maybe we'll see 2479 end up somewhere again, just like they did when the team started with us back in 2014. ;)

We have seen a bad retention rate when it came to teams sustaining in urban areas, with lack of funding, schools closing, or teachers leaving being common results. It's been a problem we've been working to solve in Minneapolis, but obviously some (like 2479) die off without being able to do anything about it. It's really hard to keep a team sustaining when a school closes and their entire student base separates to two high schools with FRC Teams.

From what I've seen lack of funding, school closings, and mentors leaving are the most common factors for teams dying out, but I wonder what else could cause it.

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If you spend some time digging through the Tecknokat's History Project: http://www.technokats.org/history-project/ you may be able to trace some of the early goings of the team.

These documents helped a lot in piecing the story of 125 together. We learned a ton about our team and were able to reestablish some connections to help get the full history back. Our team goes all the way back to the beginning in 1992, but we missed a year in 1995. The team that existed back then split into a couple different teams in 1997 which is why our rookie year is 1998.

Best
Brando

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Whaaaaaatttt?????? WHOA! So many robo-nerds <3

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Apparently, stop build day was the bane of many teams.:p

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Here's an expansion on the missing vets by rookie year.

# Missing – yrs ago – Rookie – # Surviving – % lost
1 ------- ( 12 years ) 2005 ------ 86 ---------- 1.2%
2 ------- ( 10 years ) 2007 ----- 114 ---------- 1.8%
1 ------- ( 17 years ) 2000 ------ 48 ---------- 2.1%
2 ------- ( 16 years ) 2001 ------ 75 ---------- 2.7%
2 ------- ( 15 years ) 2002 ------ 73 ---------- 2.7%
3 ------- ( 11 years ) 2006 ----- 102 ---------- 2.9%
1 ------- ( 20 years ) 1997 ------ 30 ---------- 3.3%
6 ------- ( 9 years -) 2008 ----- 173 ---------- 3.5%
2 ------- ( 14 years ) 2003 ------ 54 ---------- 3.7%
21 ------ ( 5 years -) 2012 ----- 290 ---------- 7.2%
12 ------ ( 7 years -) 2010 ----- 165 ---------- 7.3%
6 ------- ( 13 years ) 2004 ------ 82 ---------- 7.3%
13 ------ ( 8 years -) 2009 ----- 175 ---------- 7.4%
18 ------ ( 6 years -) 2011 ----- 234 ---------- 7.7%
2 ------- ( 19 years ) 1998 ------ 23 ---------- 8.7%
29 ------ ( 3 years -) 2014 ----- 305 ---------- 9.5%
25 ------ ( 4 years -) 2013 ----- 254 ---------- 9.8%
46 ------ ( 1 year --) 2016 ----- 410 --------- 11.2%
43 ------ ( 2 years -) 2015 ----- 329 --------- 13.1%
2 ------- ( 24 years ) 1993 ------- 3 --------- 66.7%

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Sorting Mark's number by year yields:

Years Attrition
1 11.2
2 13.1
3 9.5
4 9.8
5 7.2
6 7.7
7 7.3
8 7.4
9 3.5
10 1.8
11 2.9
12 1.2
13 7.3
14 3.7
15 2.7
16 2.7
17 2.1
19 8.7
20 3.3
24 66.7

After smoothing through the values beyond 8 years, this looks a lot like the usual attrition rate - biggest after two years, second biggest after first year, then improving steadily from third year to a long-term team.

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Here is the reason, the team 2479 has drifted from school to school over the years.
Honeywell was the main sponsor for the early years, then General Mills for the resurgence beginning in 2008.
So it began again in North high school in 2008 & 2009 before moving to Dunwoody, then Metro Tech, then College Prep.
These are the school names registered with FIRST for each of the years they competed.

Year ----- School
2016 ----- Minneapolis College Prep High School
2015 ----- Minneapolis College Prep High School
2014 ----- Minneapolis College Preparatory School
2013 ----- MetroTech Career Academy
2012 ----- MetroTech Academy High School
2011 ----- Dunwoody Academy High School
2010 ----- Dunwoody Academy High School
2009 ----- North High School
2008 ----- North High School
1997 ----- North Community High School
1996 ----- North Community High School
1995 ----- North Community HS
1994 ----- North Community High School
1993 ----- North Community High School

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Wow! You learn something new everyday. Can't wait to tell my mentor tomorrow that the team we mentored was originally the North High team. Thank you for this info!

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A school in Guam has started two teams-6308 & 6309.

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We welcome these teams to the GuamFIRST family!

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Registration closed with 3251 teams on event lists.
There are probably around 50 or 60 teams not showing up because they are still on a waitlist somewhere, and rookie teams getting things together last minute (we have one local rookie who was still awaiting YPP clearance).
And of course, everyone from the Israeli District which hasn't made an appearance yet.

So expect that number of teams to continue climbing before dropping back again over the next few weeks.

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One Israeli team has finally shown up as registered!
It's the first outward evidence that Israel is actually running waitlists for all their events.
So the Israeli teams are there, just not being shown to us.

The one team shows up because they have registered for an Inter-District at
2017 FIM District - Lake Superior State University Event

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That is one long commute!

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Yes it is! For almost anyone.

It would be a 5.5 hour drive for me, and I live in Michigan. :rolleyes:

Best flight time from Tel Aviv that I saw is 12.5 hours, connecting through Toronto.

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And, it means at least one team found an open spot in Michigan (funny though that they aren't from Ontario or Indiana).

I wonder if they plan to attend the Israel district champs - that event goes through March 30, but LSSU starts on March 30.

I too live in Michigan, and it's a 5 hour drive (from my northwestern corner).

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Events are still shuffling teams in and out.
3270 at the moment.

• 25 resurrected vets
• 12 new "vets"
• 402 Rookie teams
• 299 missing vets-9.6% attrition (or calculated another way: missing - resurrected =~ 8.8% overall attrition)
• 4.5% growth (but we're still missing all but one team from Israel)

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I think the right word above would be "attrition".

Retention = 100% - Attrition

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Has there been any word on why the Israel district isn't getting its teams registered? What possible advantage could this have? It seems like all the events are in place since there seems to be an appropriate number of them and they all have venues listed.

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Registration for the israel district will open next week.

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Fixed that, thanks.
I originally typed the retention number then reversed it as I posted without really thinking about it.

Thanks too for the Israeli update.

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Here's a chart or two to go along with this.

The red dots labeled "Self Parity" are where the yearly plotted lines each rose above that year's actual final registration total, i.e., teams were still being added in from the waitlists, but others eventually dropped out before competition play.
This year is unusual (in more ways than this) in that the entire Israeli contingent won't begin adding in until next week, so expect a 65 team bump.

P.S. Added the legend

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The graph showing self parity is very interesting. Any explanation for the dip in 2011 after kickoff?

Also, can you shed some light on the bar graph, especially what that slight blue/grey bar portion between the blue and yellow?

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I believe that's revived vets.

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Yep, resurrected veteran teams.
I updated the image with a legend.
The red will decrease as the Israeli teams finally show up.

The 2011 dip was Washington state balancing experienced/rookie teams between the Cascade and Olympic regional playing fields (all at the same location). What they did was over several days they removed all the teams and then put them back onto different fields.
http://www.firstwa.org/Team-Resource...ld-Assignments