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MeGuttieri 11-01-2016 03:16 PM

Re: 2017 Chairman's Hall of Fame Predictions
 
For North Champs, I see 2056 or 503 as very strong contenders. 2056 is similar to 987 in the fact that they are well rounded-- an inspirational robot and dedicated outreach. 503 has been a steady representation, winning a Chairman's Award at Michigan State Champs 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, and 2010. That is simply amazing. Their record even goes farther to that. However, that is not to say a strong record like theirs is a deciding factor of who will become HoF, but I think it says a lot about 503.

For South Champs, 2486 has inspired other submissions to be strong contenders. Fun fact, 3309 based their executive question off of a format that 2486 has created, and then won in LA for the first time. That isn't to say that South Champs is necessarily decided however. 1868 has strong outreach, 207 has earned Engineering Inspiration consistently, and may begin to have the same effect for Chairman's, 604 has been a Chairman's team in NorCal consistently. 1540 has had a strong streak as well by earning a CA at the 2016, 2015, and 2014 PNW Champs.

Personally, I do not have any guesses. I'm just observing who has consistently earned a Chairman's Award and relaying that information. Over time, it can become harder for a team to have "streaks" because it can become increasingly difficult for said team to improve and represent themselves. I've heard it said that the first CA award is easier than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. So, for the teams that have these said "streaks" continuing to be role models in this fashion is very much in line with what it means to be HoF.

However! Winning a CA in your area can be completely different than winning it at a World or (North and South Champs). Maybe these teams will have different outreach strategies this year to push themselves over the edge to become a HoF. We'll see. There is some time. :)

Irwin772 11-01-2016 03:49 PM

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To represent the Canadian teams it is Definitely 1241, 2056 has done quite a bit and is deserving of the many regional chairman's awards they have won, but if you look at the scale of the what 1241 does in their region and across the province they are by far and away the strongest Canadian candidate for World Chairman's in St.Louis.

snekiam 11-01-2016 04:44 PM

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Another vote for 503 for North Champs - I believe I'm right in saying they've won the Michigan District Chairman's award every single year that it has been a thing.

musicgurl1329 11-01-2016 05:17 PM

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At this rate, I'd be pretty shocked if 2614 didn't win Chairman's in St. Louis. They are the reason FIRST is even in West Virginia. They have provided $34,000 for FLL, FTC & FRC in WV, created & mentored 100+ FIRST teams (I think, can't quite remember), ran the first FRC event in the state and are bringing FIRST to India and Zimbabwe.

That's only what they could fit into their Chairman's video from last year/some info from the website.

lynca 11-01-2016 05:44 PM

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North
503 - Frog Force - 10 chairman's, 25 total BBs, huge impact in Michigan and recognition with Governor Snyder.
1511 - Rolling Thunder - 7 chairman's, 13 total BBs, hosts of Rah Cha Cha Ruckus, MEGA Drive.

South
1311 - Kell Robotics - 8 chairman's, 11 total BBs, public policy advocacy, impressive outreach event list.
604 - Quixilver - 9 chairman's, 15 total BBs, large impact from demonstrations
1540 - Flaming Chickens - 7 chairman's, 15 total BBs, BunnyBots

MARS_James 11-01-2016 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by musicgurl1329 (Post 1614636)
At this rate, I'd be pretty shocked if 2614 didn't win Chairman's in St. Louis. They are the reason FIRST is even in West Virginia.

I think that Team 337 would take some issue with that since they existed for 8 years prior to 2614, not saying that 2614 isn't amazing but saying they are the reason FIRST is in their state is a little much

Quote:

Originally Posted by musicgurl1329 (Post 1614636)
They have provided $34,000 for FLL, FTC & FRC in WV, created & mentored 100+ FIRST teams (I think, can't quite remember), ran the first FRC event in the state and are bringing FIRST to India and Zimbabwe.

That's only what they could fit into their Chairman's video from last year/some info from the website.


I feel like the issue that will keep them out isn't something they really have control over, and it is that one of the questions that we were asked is how many FRC teams have we helped start in our state, logically the only answer that 2614 can say is 1, 3492; since they are the only team in the state younger then them. It sucks but until FRC sees a lot of growth in their state as a result of that, I feel that some of the teams going to the same champs as them (11, 503, 1241, 1511, 2056) have a leg up.

cadandcookies 11-01-2016 10:46 PM

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For South Champs, I'm going to borrow some words I said about potential winners for this year's Championship Chairman's Award:

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Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1579930)
1311. They are a team which has made incredible progress towards developing and implementing a model to make FIRST available, sustain-ably, via educational programs in their state. This is in addition to starting 30% of the FRC teams in their state, and all the other trimmings of a traditional "Chairman's Team." If you want measurable impact on their community, 1311 has it in spades. Watching their video and reading their essay, the clarity and realism of their vision is impressive. If they don't win it now, they will once they're even further along in implementing their 21st century education model. Anyone interested in team sustainability should talk to these guys and read their essay-- they've clearly put a ton of thought into the problem and I think a lot of people (including, potentially, FIRST HQ) could learn a lot from them.

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Originally Posted by cadandcookies (Post 1579930)
3132, Thunder Down Under. In terms of scale, this team beats everyone. They've worked with their sponsors, school, and FIRST to create a sustainable FIRST program that embraces under-represented groups in their country and around the world. They've built FLL, FTC, and FRC up across their nation and are helping to expand their model around the world. Reading their essay is mind boggling for how much they've accomplished. FIRST for everyone, everywhere, isn't just a phrase in their Chairman's essay, it's clearly at the core of this team.

I would definitely say that those two are the leading contenders in my mind for the South Championship Chairman's Award. I'd expect each of them to rise even further this season, and have been combing social media for more info on what they've been up to. They've both continued to impress, and I would bet on one of them winning the big one in 2017.

North Championship is a bit hairier.

I have a hard time putting any team head and shoulders above the rest compared to South Champs-- there are a lot of very good Chairman's teams (1511, 503, 1885, 525) that I could certainly see pulling out the win, but I can't honestly say I would bet on one or two over the others. I need to get a better handle on what each team has been up to in the offseason in order to have an opinion I would consider well-supported here.

Lil' Lavery 11-02-2016 01:11 AM

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FRC 321, The Robolancers. Not only do they have a world class program, they do so in a school district that is chronically underfunded and short on faculty and resources. Where the Philadelphia public schooling system lacks the resources to step up, the Robolancers have become a beacon. And they have a track record of successfully demonstrating that impact, with back-to-back MAR Championship Chairman's Awards. For reference, the two other MAR teams mentioned in this thread have yet to win a single MARCMP Chairman's Award. I have little doubt that 321 will be MAR's 4th Hall of Fame team.

Link07 11-02-2016 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1614708)
FRC 321, The Robolancers. Not only do they have a world class program, they do so in a school district that is chronically underfunded and short on faculty and resources. Where the Philadelphia public schooling system lacks the resources to step up, the Robolancers have become a beacon. And they have a track record of successfully demonstrating that impact, with back-to-back MAR Championship Chairman's Awards. For reference, the two other MAR teams mentioned in this thread have yet to win a single MARCMP Chairman's Award. I have little doubt that 321 will be MAR's 4th Hall of Fame team.

Glad to see 321 get mentioned, really an awesome program. I think from MAR them, 1676, 1218, and 1923 are certainly contenders.

EmileH 11-02-2016 06:30 AM

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1519 for North Half Champs.

1629GaCo 11-02-2016 08:59 AM

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836 - The RoboBees, amazing team and outreach, and always in contention for Chairman's!!

And of course 1629!

Oromus 11-02-2016 09:32 AM

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So I have this script I've been using for the past year now that calculates CPR (Chairman's Power Rating) values for teams at varying events. It's been pretty accurate for regionals (multiple 2016 regionals had 100% prediction accuracy), so I'll post what it's predictions are for North and South Champs. For Champs, it generates a list of a couple "possible candidates" and then vaguely ranks them. All CCA winners from the past 10 years (that's as far as I've checked presently) have been on the possible candidate list my script generates. Note that rankings go off of the team's award history and can't take into account the "quality" of the team's outreaches and Chairman's submissions, and the teams processed by the script were all of the 2016 Chairman's winners that attended Champs.

North (St. Louis):

Code:

1. 1241 (THEORY6) - 4.91 CPR
2. 1305 (Ice Cubed) - 4.5 CPR
3. 1710 (The Ravonics Revolution) - 4.33 CPR
4. 1885 (ILITE Robotics) - 4.0 CPR
5. 503 (Frog Force) - 4.0 CPR
6. 1511 (Rolling Thunder) - 3.92 CPR
7. 2614 (Mountaineer Area RoboticS (MARS)) - 3.83 CPR
8. 384 (Sparky 384) - 3.83 CPR
9. 537 (Charger Robotics) - 3.5 CPR
10. 1086 (Blue Cheese) - 3.25 CPR
11. 11 (MORT) - 1.5 CPR

South (Houston):

Code:

1. 2468 (Team Appreciate) - 4.33 CPR
2. 604 (Quixilver) - 4.0 CPR
3. 2486 (CocoNuts) - 4.0 CPR
4. 1311 (Kell Robotics) - 4.0 CPR
5. 1540 (Flaming Chickens) - 4.0 CPR
6. 1902 (Exploding Bacon) - 3.67 CPR
7. 3132 (Thunder Down Under) - 2.74 CPR
8. 812 (The Midnight Mechanics) - 2.58 CPR
9. 233 (The Pink Team) - 2.58 CPR
10. 932 (Circuit Chargers) - 2.25 CPR
11. 1868 (Space Cookies) - 2.0 CPR


Brian Maher 11-02-2016 01:33 PM

Re: 2017 Chairman's Hall of Fame Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Oromus (Post 1614739)
So I have this script I've been using for the past year now that calculates CPR (Chairman's Power Rating) values for teams at varying events. It's been pretty accurate for regionals (multiple 2016 regionals had 100% prediction accuracy), so I'll post what it's predictions are for North and South Champs. For Champs, it generates a list of a couple "possible candidates" and then vaguely ranks them. All CCA winners from the past 10 years (that's as far as I've checked presently) have been on the possible candidate list my script generates. Note that rankings go off of the team's award history and can't take into account the "quality" of the team's outreaches and Chairman's submissions, and the teams processed by the script were all of the 2016 Chairman's winners that attended Champs.

...

Interesting numbers, thank you for sharing! It's interesting to compare and contrast this list with the more qualitative evaluations shared on this thread. I'm a bit of a stat geek and have wondered about quantifying Chairman's chances for a while now (just for fun, of course), so I have a few questions:

1. How is CPR calculated? Is it based exclusively on Chairman's or are other awards and factors considered?
2. Exactly how accurate is it in predicting Regional/District/DCMP Chairman's Awards?
3. How does it do with predicting historic Championship Chairman's Award winners?
4. How much of an improvement is CPR over more naive metrics, such as total previous Chairman's Awards?
5. How well does it anticipate "outsiders" who have never won Chairman's receiving the award at the Regional/District level?

I'd love to tinker with your algorithm/code if you'd be willing to share.

Oromus 11-02-2016 03:30 PM

Re: 2017 Chairman's Hall of Fame Predictions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Maher (Post 1614779)
Interesting numbers, thank you for sharing! It's interesting to compare and contrast this list with the more qualitative evaluations shared on this thread. I'm a bit of a stat geek and have wondered about quantifying Chairman's chances for a while now (just for fun, of course), so I have a few questions:

1. How is CPR calculated? Is it based exclusively on Chairman's or are other awards and factors considered?
2. Exactly how accurate is it in predicting Regional/District/DCMP Chairman's Awards?
3. How does it do with predicting historic Championship Chairman's Award winners?
4. How much of an improvement is CPR over more naive metrics, such as total previous Chairman's Awards?
5. How well does it anticipate "outsiders" who have never won Chairman's receiving the award at the Regional/District level?

I'd love to tinker with your algorithm/code if you'd be willing to share.

1. To quickly summarize, CPR is calculated based off of Chairman's and Engineering Inspiration wins in the past four years (inclusive of the current one). Chairmans and E.I. both have base point values (currently 1 and .33) that are reduced then added to a team's CPR based off of when that award was won (i.e. winning Chairman's in 2016 is 1 point, winning Chairman's in 2015 is 0.75 points, 2014 is .5, ect...). There's also a point bonus for winning Chairman's at an event with another "high" CPR team present. I've experimented with also awarding points for streaks (winning multiple Chairman's and/or E.I.'s in a row), but I've found it tends to cause fluctuations in accuracy. I'm always tweaking the point values for everything and attempting to add new ways of increasing accuracy, but this is currently the most accurate combination of factors I've gotten.

2. For regionals and district championships, the script is fairly accurate at guessing the winners/likely winners. It guessed the correct Chairman's and E.I. winners (1st on the rankings being the Chairman's winner, 2nd often being E.I.) for numerous events and when it was wrong, was within a rank or two of being 100% correct (i.e. rank 3 winning Chairman's). It tends to be more inaccurate at guessing district events due to the larger amount of "upsets" and sometimes lack of any teams with a Chairman's background. As a typical rule, the more Chairman's history that exists for the teams at an event, the more accurate the predictions will be.

3. Champs predictions are more difficult because at champs, the winner is chosen based off of the quality of their submissions and outreach, which my script doesn't (and can't) consider when computing CPR. However, the script is very good at supplying a small list ranging 10-20 teams that "might" win the award. For at least the past 10 years, the HoF winner has been on the list the script provide, and is usually in the top 10 at the very least. For example, 987 was 8th for 2016's predictions, 597 was 10th for 2015's, 27 was 4th for 2014's, and 1538 was 3rd for 2013's.

4. I would say CPR is quite a bit better than just counting Chairman's awards. The script actually started off initially as a way to quickly display how many Chairman's awards the teams at an event had won, and the "predictions" it helped generate then were a lot more inaccurate then what CPR gives now.

5. This is probably the biggest weakness of the current script. All of it's stats are in some way based off of the team's Chairman's and E.I. history, so it never expects a team with a very weak (or non-existent) Chairman's record to win.

I'll be making the code public soon. I'm actually in the process of re-writing most of it to be user-friendly and readable by another developer. If you have any more questions about it (or want to see predictions for certain event(s) in the past or future) just let me know :) I may start posting CPR predictions for 2017 regionals once they start getting closer, though I've already been running some internally.

waialua359 11-02-2016 04:01 PM

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Some great summary reads today!
How could I forget about 1311, 604, 1540, and 2486? So many great teams in the running for both championships..


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